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Last posted Nov 19, 2024 at 05:12AM EST. Added Jan 01, 2017 at 06:26PM EST
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…Save themselves from what? Audience alienation? 6 years of naked antagonism too late to be trying to recover the Trump crowd.

I am genuinely flummoxed as to what the msm is supposed to be threatened by in the scenario of charges being persued.

Oh, its a "what would they do without him to rag on" crack, I get it now.

Last edited Dec 02, 2020 at 08:52AM EST

Presenters and entertainers on CNN/MSNBC knew Trump was good for ratings but their employers were among those happiest for Trump's tax cuts and the judges to protect them.

Of course they're going to be upset the Golden Goose is gone.

Journalists mostly loved Trump. They loved him being the arch-villain that they can collectively fight, and feel meaningful. It's so much easier and safer than being hoisted to some third-world country to cover an ongoing ethnic fighting. Or actually doing any kind of realistic journalism about what's happening outside of the US. Entertainers, Presenters, Pundits absolutely loved him for the ratings. The employers loved him for the tax-cuts. The whole industry loved him, and now that the crescendo of this 4 year drama has been reached and they feel like they've slain a mighty dragon – who will they be targeting next?

Some of them are reading the signs on the wall though. They recognize what is going to come down very soon. Ezra Klein, Mathew Yglesia, Lauren Williams have left Vox – got to jump off the ship before it sinks.

Jeff Zucker is getting the hell out of CNN now that he's saw Trump gone.

In a recent earnings call with Fox investors, Lachlan Murdoch pretty much said that they are going back to a "normal news cycle" and refocusing on tv shows again.

Trump supporters are no longer watching Fox News, flocking to other smaller sites and news outlets.

Maybe those in the media that are being nice to Trump heard rumors that he may start his own news network, so it's best not to burn all your bridges in case you may need to find a new job soon.

I for one am reveling in seeing the old corporate journalism class crash and burn. Self-proclaimed gatekeepers of information. Self-proclaimed "upholders of democracy", when in reality what they love the most is the massive power they have over our political and economic lives.

BrentD15 wrote:

I love how the MSM is focused on this narrative that Biden should let Trump get away with what he did.

It's almost like they're trying to save themselves.

He's gonna either way
as stated before laws don't apply to the 1%

Kenetic Kups wrote:

He's gonna either way
as stated before laws don't apply to the 1%

When the state's entire financial stability is so dependent on the value and wealth of the ultra rich, the pressure to apply the same kind of criminal punishment on the ultra rich diminishes. It is no secret that many states, such as California, depend so much of their basic state-function on the value of property, (which is why so many local politicians are loathe to tackle actually lowering the over all cost of housing). Even if the state decided to punish an extremely wealthy person with financial costs, they have to do it in such a way where the financial stream doesn't end.

It wont happen because neither parties want to set the precident of punishing officials for affronts they intend for thier guy to commit when they take over.

Nobody one ever talks about not prosecuting low-level drug offenses or petty theft as a pathway to "healing the nation" or "protecting financial stability;" it's a narrative exclusively reserved for protecting rich, powerful people.

Last edited Dec 03, 2020 at 09:39AM EST

So after the hivemind turned against Bill Barr, hyper-partisan destroyer of the rule of law as a 'deep state RINO' I have to wonder.

Why fucking Trump. Why have people staked their entire identity on someone who openly hates the people who vote for him, has a business record of continuous failure, and a moral compass that can be compared to Nero. It's not like he even promised hope for improvement, ffs his inaugural was named "American Carnage"

You actually want an answer or are you looking for someone to reinforce and justify a feeling of superiority?

The comparing him to Nero thing makes me think the latter.

Last edited Dec 07, 2020 at 12:34AM EST

Greyblades wrote:

You actually want an answer or are you looking for someone to reinforce and justify a feeling of superiority?

The comparing him to Nero thing makes me think the latter.

No, being completely unprepared, doing the minimum effort of governance based off of parroting previous legacies and then reigning for self-benefit tracks.

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pinkiespy - goat spy wrote:

No, being completely unprepared, doing the minimum effort of governance based off of parroting previous legacies and then reigning for self-benefit tracks.

Actually I can see it now; high popularity among the lower classes, hypocritical and semi-irrational hatred from the traditional elite. Combined with the massive campaign of revisionism against his legacy that concealed a rule on the preferable side to his warmongering contemporaries, then yes, I suppose it is a good comparison after all.

Last edited Dec 08, 2020 at 08:09AM EST
Giuliani said he had exactly the same treatment as the President

It makes me wonder if what they had might not have been Covid, given that the drug cocktail is different from the ones they recommend for Covid and that both of them are out in public meeting people almost immediately after the doctor visit.


Tfw when a independent youtube commentator has a better grasp on politics than any mainstream media pundits who get broadcasted on tv nationwide
Last edited Dec 13, 2020 at 11:40PM EST

In news that should continue to surprise no one, the Electoral College has given Joe Biden the majority.

Any attempts to "stop the """steal"""" now will look even more pathetic than they already were. But I expect them to continue nonetheless, and they will be quite hilarious once you get past the existential dread of a large minority of my country dedicated towards tearing itself apart.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

In other news, the corporate scum are trying to get people thrown in jail with dmca strikes
a move that is salivated over by both the media and prison industrial complex I’m sure

If they can't go after you for marijuana, then they'll come after you for intellectual properties.

AOC finally grows a spine and admits that Pelosi and Schumer need to go and that the party needs new leadership
I'd like to note that Pelosi has been serving in the House for over 33 years now and Schumer has been in the Senate for nearly 22 years. It still baffles me that during the Constitutional Convention the majority opinion was "they can just serve 'til they die lol". Congress needs term limits.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

AOC finally grows a spine and admits that Pelosi and Schumer need to go and that the party needs new leadership
I'd like to note that Pelosi has been serving in the House for over 33 years now and Schumer has been in the Senate for nearly 22 years. It still baffles me that during the Constitutional Convention the majority opinion was "they can just serve 'til they die lol". Congress needs term limits.

maybe controversial opinion but gerontocratic oligarchies are bad

How are you guys able to stomach all this political shit?

I honestly find the whole thing absolutely sole crushing, and the only thing I can do is ignore it. Like, all people I can vote on are Corporates Puppets or Party Loyalists.

Are you machoistic? Or is there some actual reason to believe things might get better.

Far-right protesters disrupted Oregon Legislature special session today. The meeting was to consider five bills related to wildfire and COVID-19, including a proposal that would extend the state’s eviction moratorium by six months and offer financial help to landlords. However, the protesters believed that it was a lockdown conspiracy or something and marched to the building where the meeting was held to protest. The protesters are believed to belong to a group known as the "Patriot Prayer," a far-right group founded in 2016 and based in Vancouver, Washington.

A user on Twitter explained what was going on during the protest. (Warning: Extremely long. It took me 20-30 minutes to read the whole thing.)
Another Twitter thread. This one's much shorter.

News coverage of the protest:

More clips of the protest:

People trying to destroy the Oregon Capitol doors to gain entry
Door breaking footage taken from a person inside the building
Journalist getting pushed
Live streamer interviews an elderly woman
Footage from another livestreamer
Armored police guard a doorway while protesters argue with them
Police reinforcements arrive to clear right wing protesters out of Oregon state capitol; scuffle ensues

Last edited Dec 21, 2020 at 08:26PM EST

Dr. Bots wrote:

How are you guys able to stomach all this political shit?

I honestly find the whole thing absolutely sole crushing, and the only thing I can do is ignore it. Like, all people I can vote on are Corporates Puppets or Party Loyalists.

Are you machoistic? Or is there some actual reason to believe things might get better.

Spite probably.

Five years of being called gullible by people who practically revel in being spoon fed propaganda, it wears away your good will like an industrial grinder.

Last edited Dec 21, 2020 at 10:40PM EST

Dr. Bots wrote:

How are you guys able to stomach all this political shit?

I honestly find the whole thing absolutely sole crushing, and the only thing I can do is ignore it. Like, all people I can vote on are Corporates Puppets or Party Loyalists.

Are you machoistic? Or is there some actual reason to believe things might get better.

Because I can't turn away from what's going on, no matter how bad it is
I don't believe it will get better, but I'm gonna fight for a better world anyway

Dr. Bots wrote:

How are you guys able to stomach all this political shit?

I honestly find the whole thing absolutely sole crushing, and the only thing I can do is ignore it. Like, all people I can vote on are Corporates Puppets or Party Loyalists.

Are you machoistic? Or is there some actual reason to believe things might get better.

The politics happening today affects us all.

We can't not get involved; we can no longer afford that luxury.

Blue Yoshi wrote:

Far-right protesters disrupted Oregon Legislature special session today. The meeting was to consider five bills related to wildfire and COVID-19, including a proposal that would extend the state’s eviction moratorium by six months and offer financial help to landlords. However, the protesters believed that it was a lockdown conspiracy or something and marched to the building where the meeting was held to protest. The protesters are believed to belong to a group known as the "Patriot Prayer," a far-right group founded in 2016 and based in Vancouver, Washington.

A user on Twitter explained what was going on during the protest. (Warning: Extremely long. It took me 20-30 minutes to read the whole thing.)
Another Twitter thread. This one's much shorter.

News coverage of the protest:

More clips of the protest:

People trying to destroy the Oregon Capitol doors to gain entry
Door breaking footage taken from a person inside the building
Journalist getting pushed
Live streamer interviews an elderly woman
Footage from another livestreamer
Armored police guard a doorway while protesters argue with them
Police reinforcements arrive to clear right wing protesters out of Oregon state capitol; scuffle ensues

Huh, they must have run out of tear gas and rubber bullets after using them on all those candle and violin vigils and those mothers locking arms.

Reading today's Atlantic article "The Resistance’s Breakup With the Media Is at Hand
The White House spent four years vilifying journalists. What comes next?"

Is almost a near confirmation that the corporate press are literally the enemy of the people.

And they don't even realize it. They are blatantly telling you: "Tragedy and disaster have always been the stuff that journalism careers are made of. But the Trump era has been especially rewarding to a certain class of Washington reporter. As the White House beat became the biggest story in the world, once-obscure correspondents were recast in the popular imagination as resistance heroes fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. They were showered with book deals, speaking gigs, and hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers. They got glow-ups to accompany their new cable-news contracts, and those glow-ups were covered in glossy magazines. Along the way, many of them adapted their journalism to cover an unusually mendacious and corrupt president (much to the delight of their new fan bases)."

Vultures. They expect us to give them reverence as paragons of objective reporting. They expect us to just accept their gate-keeping of information. They expect to be defended as some sort of champions of free speech.

"“I guess if I stop to think about it,” Olivia Nuzzi (reporter at Daily Beast, and NYTimes) says, “there is something obviously uncomfortable and kind of gross about the fact that we are in the business of missing planes and crazy pseudo-dictators--that when something terrible is happening, it makes for good copy.” “There is kind of this temptation to satisfy the resistance with worldview-confirming reporting chum, it didn’t really require any special bravery to report honestly and critically on Donald Trump, I could write in a piece, ‘Donald Trump is the biggest asshole to ever live and he is a terrible human being and a shitty president and, like, he’s ugly’ … and nobody would be mad at me except the same people who are mad at me anyway for existing.

The level of self awareness they have is strange.

“On a purely social level, I don’t know that reporting critically on Joe Biden will feel as safe for reporters, you’re not going to get yass queen–ed to death.”

Yes it's almost like the biggest critical refrain that the corporate press is blatantly, needlessly, partisan in their reporting and is literally "fake news", may have actually been absolutely right about you.

"None of this is to say that the Trump beat has been easy. Sources and subjects lie with abandon. This White House treats the press corps like a criminal syndicate."

They are open about their bias. They are open about their shilling. They are open about how they are information scavengers. And they expect you to treat them like saints fighting for your freedoms.

At this point I am honestly not sure who I hate most: today's political class – or today's corporate press.

Honestly, it's a bit concerning how self-aggrandizing journalists can get.

I fail to see a good reason as to why, under a country with free press, journalists should consider themselves in any way related to any form of "resistance" or "freedom fighters".

I wouldn't say they are "enemies of the people", but they are definitely not allies of truth. They're allies of certain political stances, and arguably to the easiest paths to good money. Four years of Biden could knock some degree of humility into journalists, but I don't know how likely that could be.

Spaghetto wrote:

Honestly, it's a bit concerning how self-aggrandizing journalists can get.

I fail to see a good reason as to why, under a country with free press, journalists should consider themselves in any way related to any form of "resistance" or "freedom fighters".

I wouldn't say they are "enemies of the people", but they are definitely not allies of truth. They're allies of certain political stances, and arguably to the easiest paths to good money. Four years of Biden could knock some degree of humility into journalists, but I don't know how likely that could be.

They'll turn hyper-critical of Biden to avoid the accusation of being politically biased against Republicans.

And it was never the "liberal media", it was always the corporate media. Pandering to liberals during Trump's reign was just good business.

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