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Gee wiz, cant see how setting this precident can come back to bite us in the ass.

*cough*russiagate*cough*

Cronyism.

Old politicians coming to the end of long careers with a massive reserve of favours.

They refuse to get out of the way of younger up and comers because they never got thier time in the sun when they were young.

Just admit it, you bought into the narrative that "Russiagate = Overturning Election".

3 years, millions of dollars and countless man hours in a desperate attempt to justify a fishing expedition that was begun on a lie and turned up nothing save a mid 2000s money laundering charge and a technical lie under oath, none of which actually touched trump.

Makes sense one still hitched to that wagon would actually believe this will be the one time in history when a new power doesnt eventually end up used against those who appointed them.

Trump is officially perma-banned from Twitter.

Wow. I knew this day would come, but I didn't think it'd come so soon.

I’m in the “too little too late” camp for that

They should’ve done that years ago

In 2040, 70% of the US population will live in roughly 15 states. 30% of the population will live in the remaining 35. This means that in 20 years 30% of the population will have control over 70% of the Senate. This is not even an electoral college issue. This is how our Senate is set up to function.

Seeing how people across the political spectrum in this country are becoming increasingly hostile to each other, and given that neither side is willing to accept political results of elections where the opposition wins, how do we go forward? Is reconciliation possible – or even desired? It seems there are large swathes of people from both sides that do not want reconciliation, they want the other side, more or less put into submission.

The grievances of people who support Trump – economic, and cultural, will not be resolved with the coming administration – why would it be, the administration that Biden was the VP for absolutely failed to even acknowledge those grievances. (And the administration before Obama, also did as well). I don't think anyone on the right or left is willing to compromise? The gulf is so deep, I wonder if there is any realistic path forward towards Unity.

The most realistic solution I see going forward is an inevitable return of greater political power to states or state-regions. Perhaps a political break up, i.e, for all intent and purposes states can choose to secede, and not be subject to the political systems of the United States as a whole – perhaps, in such a system they can form a confederation, of sorts where they retain autonomy and sovereignty.

Absolutely. The fact that it happened at all is a surprise.

A huge purge of far-right bad actors on Twitter is going on right now. Not just Trump, but Stonetoss, RealPatriot, TheQuartering, Ben Garrison and several more.
Apple has given Parler an ultimatum forcing it to regulate content in 24 hours or be banned, and Google just pulled it from its app store.

At least you got the part about the Electoral College and the Senate being problems right.

The whole reason that Biden is the candidate and not Bernie is a compromise. That's just a recent one at that. When the Democrats had the Senate Supermajority after Obama they watered down the ACA to try and make it a "bipartisan" bill. Republicans still voted against it.

What compromises have the Republicans (Conservatives) ever proposed? Besides allowing gays to live (relatively) and allowing women to vote. They wouldn't even considering the increasing of taxes on the rich or decreasing of bloated military budgets to pay for even minor social programs, including the $2000 stimulus checks last year.

So I don't know if anyone's managed to catch this detail, but there are active Doxxing squads and the FBI are actually courting them for intel. So the same people that brought us "we did it, Reddit" can leverage the power of counter-terrorism squads.

Can this decade just like, please, PLEASE stop playing dystopia roulette?

Either 2020 takes a little bit to wear off or 2021 is 2020 NG+

Penis Miller said:

The whole reason that Biden is the candidate and not Bernie is a compromise.

It's called winning more votes.

It’s called “We can’t let someone who isn’t a total puppet of the mic and wall street run”

Can I elaborate on the argument? 1 liners don't seem to get the point across about the concerns about how the DNC runs primaries.

Alright, so I'm going to spare everyone the boring history lesson about the democratic party but just keep in mind that there have always been lower-case c conservatives around and for a long while they've been the ideological drivers of the party. They have a lot of soft power in order to persuade other important people or even lean on media organizations.

So, as the progressive wing gains more and more of a share of the party as a whole but particular its activist wing (and to be clear, progressive is the right term, there are no leftists in mainstream US politics) it runs against the desires of the elders who really want another LBJ/Obama to keep the economic status quo and slowly but steadily march in civil progress.

THE ARGUMENT IS that the party elders' soft power is distorting the real numbers of supporters between wings of the party. You can see this in, for example, the popularity of AOC in her fights vs Pelosi.

Ideally, both would only receive mild punishment.

It's called being a spineless coward who never targets individuals on his "side", who thought Biden wass still his friend even when they were on the debate stage, and endorsing the democratic nominee without any conditions. Bernie hurt himself, then the DNC finished him off.
This is coming from a guy who voted for Bernie in the primary, donated to his campaign, and had a Bernie 2020 sign in his front yard(until someone stole it).

That too
God, why can't we have Huey Long still around
he'dve never called a corporate shill his friend, and ran third party when the dnc rigged it

E V E R Y M A N A K I N G !

It's be a thing to see, but the establishment are no less hostile to uncooperative outsiders than they were in 1920s.

Imagine endorsing your political opponent instead of being assassinated by them.

This post was made by Kingfish gang.

Biden will seek a deal with Republicans on another round of Covid-19 relief after taking office, rather than attempting to ram a package through without their support https://t.co/hY69XKk7CJ

— Bloomberg (@business) January 13, 2021

What are the odds Democrats are going to waste another supermajority and the Georgia elections didn't matter in the end?

Matters to who? Their voters or donors?

100% for the former, 0% for the latter. As allways.

Probably extremely high. They are at an impasse:
They are looking at 2022. They are looking at redistricting happening this year.

But most of all, they are also looking at a GOP that has been marginalized, and increasingly hostile to any political cooperation – a "conservative base" that effectively sees no legitimacy in the incoming administration. Ramming a COVID-19 relief package with only half the country supporting it is going to be disastrous politically – because then any failure (and there will be failure) in how it is rolled out, or worse, it's efficacy, is going to be used as political fodder.

Biden isn't an idiot. He's politically experienced. He ought to know that any major policy decisions have to be bipartisan so that blame can be spread, but gain can be isolated.

And there is A LOT of risk here:

What if it's not enough?
What if all the pork attached to the relief becomes politically disastrous?
What if the relief does virtually nothing in alleviating the real economic problems that prolonged shutdowns cause?
What if it breaks the budget?

All the blame will be on the Democrats. Not the Republicans.

He's been quite vocal that he won't use Executive Order powers to ram any kind of legislation through.

Even this 2nd impeachment trial may come back to bite the Democrats in the ass. And the measure to impeach is down party-lines, it pretty much is on the Democrats to take full ownership of it. If it leads to nowhere, as the previous impeachment did, then the time, resources, money, and everything else that is wasted, is going to be blamed on them. Hence why there is so much outrage and encouragement to cast blame on Republicans who didn't vote with them – despite the fact that I guarantee that if the role was reversed there would be a similar outcome.

I still cant believe the probably " blue lives matter" crowd killed a cop

It's not nearly as unbelievable as the crowd that has, for a long long time, been critical about the power of the corporations having over our political and government system, defending corporate over-reach because it got rid of a person they hate.

Two interpretations in this:

1) People's values and ethical stances are skin-deep, and now a days are largely used to flash your colors to a particular group you want to belong to.

2) It is unrealistic for people to unconditionally support a cause or movement.

They don't have a supermajority in the Senate.
A supermajority is when you have 2/3rd of the Congress.

Yep, first man to be impeached twice and still be president.

Impeachment proceedings have become a partisan joke.

Hell, through callous misue the very word has been added to the pile of meaningless terms alongside storm, coup, fascist, sedition insurrection and a thousand more in the desperate effort to push emotional buttons and keep people in a mindless state of moral outrage.

Casualty to a war of language whose lack of restraint would drive the great propagandists of the last century into conniptions.

Still have a majority
and they will do nothing, because dems exist to virtue signal
just like back when they gutted obamacare when tehy had the majority in both houses

Obama sure didnt do half of the shit Trump did when he had to give up power to Trump

Trump didn't bomb half the people Obama did though. Not even close I reckon :)

Virtue signaling is for attaining and maintaining a cohesive political base.
Obamacare was a horrible deal that rightfully should never have existed. That, to this day, so many people blindly champion it shows the sheer extent as to how lobbying groups and Washington establishment keep putting the wool over peoples eyes.
Besides being disastrously rolled out, and horribly bloated and crafted, it was a deal that largely benefitted Big-Pharma industries – and did not tackle the issues that plagued American healthcare.
For example, Big Pharma Stock ETF (XPH) more than tripled under Obamacare's run.

For $80 Billion pricetag for big Pharma they will get complete price protection from the state. When signed, Pharmaceutical companies got a 10-35 billion dollar profit margins over the decade.

Obama was extremely friendly and tied to big Pharma, and Obamacare was literally crafted by the pharmaceutical industry lobbying. And it's a goddam criminal shame that Pelosi is still in any position of power after saying "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." in 2010.

Trump was the best thing to ever happen to the Democrat establishment. He was a perfect villain, that they heroically fought against – effectively making the entire political rhetoric come down to "it's either us, or him". And it worked. So goddam well.

They dont act like it worked well, they act like everything could come unravelling at any moment.

Ok but I really have to ask:

What is nontoxic masculinity supposed to be?

Oh I completely agree
I'm just pointing out that they don't do shit
if they actually gave a fuck they'dve nationalized healthcare

Like I know what toxic masculinity is but I dont know what the opposite is in this case

While I disagree that is an optimal solution.
I do agree that it is at least SOMETHING than caving into the very lobbying interests that have made healthcare so god-awful expensive in the US.

Just don't be a douchebag to other people.
That's healthy masculinity.

The first thing that came to mind was the whole "Karen" thing. If that's what you meant.

25 to 30k soldiers occupying DC to protect the inaugeration, supposedly not one allowed to carry ammunition in case they shoot biden.

The paranoia is thick enough to cut with a knife.

what's the point of having a gun if there's no ammo?

One: there's no source given for the information, just a momentary photo that could be taken at any time without context.
Two: that Twitter account is clearly anti-Biden and has quoted Newsmax and openly dismisses the damage done of the 6th.
Three: The account believes the election 2as fraudulent, which immediately disqualify anything they say that isn't greatly sourced.
In other words: Sure they are, mate.

The picture is dated by the imagery: soldier + facemask + inaugeration decor at the capitol building = current day national guard filled DC.

Know you of any other presidential inaugeration that was army attended amidst a pandemic?

The Reasoning for the unarmed guard is an inferrance, one supported by the army times and the associated press who have reported on the biden admin's paranioa about the national guard's allegiance.

It even has a precidence of the LA riots of 1992 As pictured men were armed but not ammunition-ed, presumably due to fears of stray fire; many of the rifles were being modified mid riot to disable the automatic mode.

Notably these were M16s, the M4 in the tweet's picture doesnt have an automatic mode, so that explanation is out… Unless this national guard squaddie got his hands on a M4A1, I dont think the army is quite so incompetent to give out spec ops guns to home guard.

These sources were provided by the twitter account in the proceeding posts, by-the-by.

As an aside; dismissing a person for believing something so disputed let alone for being biased is a downright comical principle to claim after the last four years. Were you to honestly apply such standards you'd have to dismiss everyone on the platform, Including nigh all the "journalists".

In other news the guy who screwed a chinese spy is now on the House Committee on Homeland Security

Fucking incompetents.

I should've been clear: they are vetting everyone, that is true per the sources you posted. However, asking for ammunition isn't anyway in the articles you mentioned but my fault still cause you're right. they are vetting to make sure no one is trying to kill Biden.
However, there's a difference between wanting to have suspicions about things and having bias, cause you're right, if I had to cancel everyone who has bias, most journalists couldn't be trusted.
At this point, and I'm not including anyone other than the aforementioned account, if someone is willing to stand and say, "the election was stolen and or rigged", they are divorced from reality because between the courts, the officials, the Justice department and the actual Republican officials who counted it are in on it, then I can't really say I trust anything they say.

There are precious few in the last 5 years who have not bought into one story or another as improbable as you see his as. You seek trustworthiness that doesnt exist.