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Last posted Nov 02, 2024 at 02:23AM EDT. Added Jan 01, 2017 at 06:26PM EST
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https://x.com/atrupar/status/1852209432878342308?t=6cPIVkHyqTDFwPIIAW7uUA&s=19

Have a clip of Donald Trump saying he should put Liz Chaney in front of a firing squad

Even if you hand wring and say "oh, he didn't say she should actually get shot" this is probably one of the most directly insane things I've seen him say.

Holy shit they are loosing it

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wrote:

Are there any conservatives in the thread that can potentially provide their view on why what is happening is /not/ insane? Because everything i'm seeing right now is just comically ridiculous. This is like active electoral sabotage at this point.

Seeing that your comment has quite specifically a 5-5 vote on it, I'd say you have your answer, in a way.

It's a bit shocking to see the amount of blatant events interference & violent incidents with this American election, one could even say it's gone from how even flawed democracies operate to hybrid regimes like Turkey & Georgia do it with how blatant it's become. Who knows, maybe they're the ones who need electoral watchdogs now.

This hit in legitimacy is going to hurt the "conservatives" as well in the end. Unless, it's purposefully intended to de-legitimatize, because I wouldn't put it past the American Right & Christian Nationalists with recent rhetoric. The Russian strategy of having constant scandals to cause apathy is well-known and replicated (you can see it in how Hungary went down).

Speaking of Russian affiliates:

Hungary taunts Western allies: We’ll talk to whoever we want

Just another event in a long-line of Orban's Hungary behaviour, not that they have anything else going for them at this point, since they've been frozen from groups and interactions with NATO & the EU (apart from the CPAC with the American Right).

Hungary’s Economy Plunges Into Recession on Industry Downturn


NATO says North Korean troops deployed to Russia's Kursk region

Vladimir Putin signals North Korean troops are in Russia

As an update, there actually is North Korean troops to be deployed alongside Russian ones.

Gilan wrote:

Seeing that your comment has quite specifically a 5-5 vote on it, I'd say you have your answer, in a way.

It's a bit shocking to see the amount of blatant events interference & violent incidents with this American election, one could even say it's gone from how even flawed democracies operate to hybrid regimes like Turkey & Georgia do it with how blatant it's become. Who knows, maybe they're the ones who need electoral watchdogs now.

This hit in legitimacy is going to hurt the "conservatives" as well in the end. Unless, it's purposefully intended to de-legitimatize, because I wouldn't put it past the American Right & Christian Nationalists with recent rhetoric. The Russian strategy of having constant scandals to cause apathy is well-known and replicated (you can see it in how Hungary went down).

As to the legitimacy part, living deep in the Red I'm in regular daily contact with passionate MAGA voters, so I've got some observations. Fact is that they already see legitimacy as entirely dead. They believe our government is false and that democracy has already died in this country. They have no concern about hurting a legitimacy that they do not believe exists. For that matter, in the last few days I've heard a few of them assert that Donald Trump is actually very popular with most Americans, and because of this the only way for the Democrats to win is by cheating. He's actually not controversial at all, and if you think otherwise you've been deceived by the media. If Harris wins, they will absolutely not recognize her as the true president and continue to recognize Trump as the legitimate leader of this country. Their minds are already made on this.

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Nox Lucis wrote:

As to the legitimacy part, living deep in the Red I'm in regular daily contact with passionate MAGA voters, so I've got some observations. Fact is that they already see legitimacy as entirely dead. They believe our government is false and that democracy has already died in this country. They have no concern about hurting a legitimacy that they do not believe exists. For that matter, in the last few days I've heard a few of them assert that Donald Trump is actually very popular with most Americans, and because of this the only way for the Democrats to win is by cheating. He's actually not controversial at all, and if you think otherwise you've been deceived by the media. If Harris wins, they will absolutely not recognize her as the true president and continue to recognize Trump as the legitimate leader of this country. Their minds are already made on this.

So, effectively a non-insignificant amount of the Americans think democracy is dead, and as any self-fulfilling prophesy will work towards it. Also something that is emphasized they think of themselves as victims instead of aggressors. No matter what, spite and revenge will seem justified to them, they will see themselves as acting in response instead of being the ones who are ruining their own democracy.

Since 2016 there seems to be a back and forth between the idea of "we can talk with them and work on legitimate grievances" to "no, they will only accept being in power and subvert and sabotage as much as possible if not". I'm guessing, the needle is now pointing more to the latter for some?

You know, the EU's response in the last trade war was after a long period of failed talks, broken promises and lack to retaliation to try to de-escalate was to finally start targeting the Red States directly. From statements with the EU's "Trump rapid response team", their strategy this time around if necessary is to do the last strategy first and for the attack first to 'hit back fast and hard’.

A lot of Trump supporters said they voted Trump "for the economy" than many stated they didn't care and would be happy to sacrifice money to prove their superiority, than changed their minds again and cried how unfair it was they got hit, and then tried to pretend it never happened afterwards (or even outright forgot). That isn't new (think of Jan 6th), I think their minds are already made up on this, at least until it comes back to bite them then suddenly they panic, they playdown & lie or they try to flip fault. At least until they get back their courage and start posturing again.

That's the psychology at play here, it's not new. I'm sure it'll sound familiar of people from many different countries that are all of a particular regime type.

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Oh, they absolutely see themselves as on the side of victims. They often reference "standing up for Trump". Trump is an absolute golden boy, and the idea that anyone who could dislike him for an understandable reason is beyond comprehension. When speaking of the opposition, they are often said to "just not like Trump for some reason" and described with such terms as "mean", "nasty", "cruel", the language you'd use to refer to a schoolyard bully. Trump is America's greatest victim, and absolutely has to be protected. They are fearful. The deeper they get in political conversation the more active their hands become, the higher their voices, and their eyes often dart from side to side. They have no doubt that there are people out there who want to hurt them for no other reason than to hurt them.

VeteranAdventureHobo wrote:

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1852209432878342308?t=6cPIVkHyqTDFwPIIAW7uUA&s=19

Have a clip of Donald Trump saying he should put Liz Chaney in front of a firing squad

Even if you hand wring and say "oh, he didn't say she should actually get shot" this is probably one of the most directly insane things I've seen him say.

Holy shit they are loosing it

Just send him to the nursery home already.

FatmanAss wrote:

Seems like Kentucky's voter machine doesn't work because
a: 'The Kentucky voting machines require you to select the party name on the left. The user in the video touches the democrats using his left pinky finger off camera. He deliberately switches the phone to his right hand midway through recording so he can deceive the audience. '
b: It's one of those stupid machines in which you have to press somewhere else to make a thing work.

I choose "a", but as in "The guy who recorded this video was stupid.", but with "Why did anyone code the machine like this?".

Nox Lucis wrote:

As to the legitimacy part, living deep in the Red I'm in regular daily contact with passionate MAGA voters, so I've got some observations. Fact is that they already see legitimacy as entirely dead. They believe our government is false and that democracy has already died in this country. They have no concern about hurting a legitimacy that they do not believe exists. For that matter, in the last few days I've heard a few of them assert that Donald Trump is actually very popular with most Americans, and because of this the only way for the Democrats to win is by cheating. He's actually not controversial at all, and if you think otherwise you've been deceived by the media. If Harris wins, they will absolutely not recognize her as the true president and continue to recognize Trump as the legitimate leader of this country. Their minds are already made on this.

It's not shocking, the right has been pretending dems have been rigging elections as far back as I can remember, my reactionary relatives were claiming this bullshit back in 2008 too

pinkiespy - goat spy wrote:

they started right after they had the court steal one then used a PAC to coordinate slander onto the next guy. they're trying to deflect

It's wrong to characterize the Supreme Court putting an end to the eternal Florida recounts over a month in – and nearly a full month past the initial reporting deadline – as a "steal", assuming that's what you were thinking of. The Supreme Court ended the recounts because 1) there was no consistent standard between all involved counties, and 2) it would be impossible to create such a standard in time for Florida to properly participate in the electoral process.

I havent at all changed political aligments, specially not with how crazy the republican party became, it just that modern games are just getting harder and harder to defend….thats all

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