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@Ozzwim

It is unequal, but then again women usually do not get aroused by a sight of a male nipple as far as I know.

Untrue, the man's pecs are one of the commonly sexualized parts of the male body, and at least for me, and other people of I've seen (I can't speak for everyone, of course), yes, they're seen as attractive just like female chests.

shit, why did I get the page get

>Poochy makes a claim
>Poochy gets told that's not allowed.
>Poochy demands proof
>Poochy gets proof proving them wrong
>Poochy asks for evidence of evidence existing
>Poochy gets evidence showing him he's wrong. Again.
>Poochy ignores evidence and picks 1 site with no citations
>Gets proven for 9th time to be wrong
>"But im right though."

Are you sure you're not an anti-vaxxer or flat earther? Cause you sure do act like one.

While I agree that male and female nipples isn't any different, this isn't about what they want to do. This what they are required to do. You don't get to just pick and choose what rules you want to follow.

Pretty much every website I've seen that isn't marked explicit that allows female toplessness requires you to make an account just to view the image. For predominately art sites like Pixiv or Deviantart that's fine, but this is a meme site not an art site.

If you care so much about allowing nudity, just go on sites like Danbooru that catalog all images, regardless if they are sfw or not (with some rules still in place).

I mean he asked me earlier why murderers and pedophiles were any different from weeaboos and gamers
so yeah, that wouldn’t be ooc

How has no one pointed out that the reason female nipples are considered more sexual than male nipples is their placement on female breasts, which is near universally considered a sexual part of the body? The rules regarding covering breasts is a little weird at first glance, but don't come in here and act like female breasts and male pecks are considered exactly as sexual as one another, one is placed on genital tier while the other is on thigh tier.

That's not taking into account that everyone on this site is living in fear of the absolute rule advertisers have over us so trying to piss them off for your stupid ass "progressive" issue is a stupid idea.

@Monsieur Safior it's that way in most countries.

Oh yes, do go on about how the United States ultimately forced countries like China, Russia, Turkey, or Indonesia into considering breasts to be sexual. Also, on that matter, please explain how the United States imposed and enforced such views on cultures and nations that preceded its founding, including ancient and defunct ones. (Anyone else remember when JFK forced the Ancient Romans to adopt these views?)

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Concerning the primary topic for this thread:

As I recall, the seminal post of this thread stated that "There is no explanation for it other than sexism by the owners and admins of this website."

Poochy, do you still hold to this assertion and thus claim that the owners and admins are sexist just out of sheer desire instead of any other conceivable reason at all?

Simple by simple beig the countr who have a monopoly in exporting their cultural product like cinema, tv show, book ect.

Also pretty sure in Inodnesia breast wasn't consider sexual for a very longtime.

Also Roman never consider breast to be sexual and was pretty chill with nudity.

Before trying to play the wise guy, be sure to be wise in the first place.

I have to agree. Banning female nipples is sexist. There is basically no reason stated why female nipples are bad and male ones are not.

Its not that is "not allowed". the argument is that advertisers will all go away", but that just isn't true. Plenty of advertisers don't take offense to topless women, myself included. I even specifically said i'd offer hundreds in advertising if they opened up community advertisement opportunity to fill in the gaps that adsense advertisers won't fill. Seriously, if a furry website can do it, why can't kym? http://www.furaffinity.net/advertising literally just copy/paste that model. maybe increase prices.

@Ryumaru Borike
>How has no one pointed out that the reason female nipples are considered more sexual than male nipples is their placement on female breasts

By who? Straight men?

>don't come in here and act like female breasts and male pecks are considered exactly as sexual as one another

They absolutely are though. Just ask bisexual people and most will say a topless woman is just as attractive as a topless man, like some buddy said at the top of this page.

So in response to people pointing out the kym is not a pornographic website, you're bjg comeback is "but why can't it be a porn site though?"

You've been explained why this isn't going to change. Your hundreds of dollars isn't going to make jack shit of a difference from the 10's of thousands lost. Unlike the furry community, there isn't some fanatical cult-like group willing to fund this site because it's some safe haven for their lifestyle.

You've been explained why the rules are what they are. You've been shown multiple sources of evidence over why this is the case. Your refusal to accept this answer does not change the answer you are going to be given. And no, bringing up a site thats 90% male on male fetish fucking isn't going to suddenly make female nipples stop being considered sexual by advertisement, no matter how accurate or inaccurate you precieve it to be.

And we all know that this is just the current point you're using to argue how "right" you are. Once this us debunked, you're going to just change the reason you're right to something else, because you can't accept that maybe you're wrong on this one.

>"but why can't it be a porn site though?"

I have never, in any comments, suggested making kym a porn site.

>Unlike the furry community, there isn't some fanatical cult-like group willing to fund this site because it's some safe haven for their lifestyle.

I advertise there because it makes me money, not because of some cult-like thought process or whatever. Its not donating money, its advertising.

>You've been shown multiple sources of evidence over why this is the case.

I've been given no evidence that advertisers who will go away due to topless women can't be replaced by advertisers who don't care. You've just made a baseless claim that it just won't work.

>Gets proven for 9th time to be wrong
>"But im right though."

You basically summarized my debate with Poochy about the SWAT hoax a couple weeks ago.
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As long as its not sexual, its not against advertiser rules

Oh you mean that
Just fucking look up 'Casual Nudity' or 'Artistic Nudity', shows tits but not they're not sexual. -booru sites have that too.

OK, but how is this KYM's fault specifically..? Just about every non-porn website would do the same thing, even those not funded by ads. Hell, it happens in real life first: men can enter a non-nudist beach topless, but women cannot (in most countries). I do not see what this has anything to do with this site and only this site, instead seeming more like a cultural thing, so discussing it at forum level seems like a pointless endeavor.

@Sanakan_ht
>Just fucking look up 'Casual Nudity' or 'Artistic Nudity', shows tits but not they're not sexual. -booru sites have that too.

i'm not too sure what you are trying to say here.

@Nedhitis
>how is this KYM's fault specifically..?

Who else would be to blame for their own actions?

>Hell, it happens in real life first: men can enter a non-nudist beach topless, but women cannot (in most countries).

yea, sexism is widespread. Is that really surprising to you? In some countries women can't even go outside showing their ankles.

>I do not see what this has anything to do with this site and only this site, instead seeming more like a cultural thing, so discussing it at forum level seems like a pointless endeavor.

This website can change this website. I can't ask them to do something out of their control like change other websites.

i'm not too sure what you are trying to say here.

You wanna see tits without any sexual way right? Go to a site that's dedicated to that. Reddit, Danbooru, Gelbooru, etc., fuck if I know.

KYM have been not allowing Adult-rated Images since the start like 12 years. So this is pointless you're having here.

>You wanna see tits without any sexual way right?

Not specifically, no.

>KYM have been not allowing Adult-rated Images since the start like 12 years.

a bare female chest isn't adult rated content. "adult rated" isn't even an objective term. It can mean whatever you want it to mean.

>By who? Straight men?

And Lesbians, and everyone else that lives in such a society.

>They absolutely are though. Just ask bisexual people and most will say a topless woman is just as attractive as a topless man, like some buddy said at the top of this page.

Yes! You're right! Let's absolutely ask a bisexual person! but where can we find such a bisexual person? Oh, I know, RIGHT HERE! As a bisexual, I will tell you that a topless woman is far more sexually stimulating than a topless man. Now I wait for the inevitable "Anecdotal evidence/just your opinion" despite that being exactly what you were asking for.

Despite the fact that the argument has never been "The parts found most attractive" but "parts that are found to be inherently sexual and intimate", of which, most societies found female breasts to be sexual while male pecks to not be, just attractive, like how thighs are attractive but not inherently sexual.

@Evilthing

"There is basically no reason stated why female nipples are bad and male ones are not."

I just stated very clearly why they are in my first comment, it's not the nipple, it's what the nipple is on. To elaborate, the reason female nipples are censored is because boobs as a whole are considered sexual, but as time has gone on, you could get away with showing more and more boob, so long as you didn't show all of it. Partial boob is okay but whole boob is not, like how partial butt is fine but whole butt is obscene. The nipple, as the most stand out part of the boob, became the indicator of when the boob is fully exposed or not. That's the reason why the nipples are treated differently, it's why, despite the nipple being the "need to be censored part", no one cares that much about it, just how big or nicely shaped the boob is.

This whole argument is stupid because in the end, we don't get a say in this, the advertisers do, and I can guarantee they don't care about your nipple crusade more than they care about a potential mother complaining that their 12 year old saw tit. At this point, I'm just waiting for this thread to be locked or moved to Riff Raff.

>I will tell you that a topless woman is far more sexually stimulating than a topless man.

good for you? Are we regulating what should and shouldn't be posted to kym based on your personal sexual desires? And I specifically said "most". Not everyone has the same desires, but its stupid to say female breasts are objectively more sexually appealing than male breasts.

>most societies found female breasts to be sexual while male pecks to not be, just attractive, like how thighs are attractive but not inherently sexual.

By what reason or logic are you insisting that? What an absolutely baseless assertion. What does it even matter if someone finds something sexual vs attractive. There are people sexually attracted to cars, so should cars be censored?
How are you objectively determining if something is sexual or not? Unless something is being displayed in a manner depicting or suggesting sex, then its not sexual.

>we don't get a say in this, the advertisers do

I'm an advertiser

>good for you? Are we regulating what should and shouldn't be posted to kym based on your personal sexual desires?

"Now I wait for the inevitable "Anecdotal evidence/just your opinion" despite that being exactly what you were asking for."

> And I specifically said "most".

You have two anecdotes, one saying yes and one saying no, you use the one that agreed with you to strengthen your argument while throwing away the one that doesn't. You are not going to get a valuable sample size of bisexuals in this thread in order to actually answer that, you just used the one that sided with you then stated "most will agree with me like they did" in your argument.

Most polls I've seen, from women and gay men, have pecks significantly lower than "breasts" are on straight male polls. And given what I've seen from gay/male porn, pecks are not held to nearly the same value as breasts. Not even close. Most porn of males I've seen focuses on genitals and ass, with abs and biceps getting more attention than pecks. Meanwhile, in most porn of women, the main focus is almost always the breasts when it's not the ass. They are not sexually valued the same by the majority of people. Saying they are is an outright lie. Again, you are talking to a bisexual male who looks at porn of both male and females. I know which body parts are focused on a lot more than you probably can.

"but its stupid to say female breasts are objectively more sexually appealing than male breasts."

Too bad, that's what society says, and I repeat "Despite the fact that the argument has never been "The parts found most attractive" but "parts that are found to be inherently sexual and intimate", of which, most societies found female breasts to be sexual while male pecks to not be, just attractive, like how thighs are attractive but not inherently sexual."

>By what reason or logic are you insisting that? What an absolutely baseless assertion.

The logic of what society has been saying for the past several hundred years? Yeah, totally baseless.

>There are people sexually attracted to cars, so should cars be censored?

Irrelevant, we are not talking about fetishes, or what's attractive, we are talking about parts that are seen as sexual and intimate. You keep ignoring that part of the argument to bring up this irrelevant strawman.

>How are you objectively determining if something is sexual or not? Unless something is being displayed in a manner depicting or suggesting sex, then its not sexual.

What the fuck are you talking about "objective"? It's a societal rule, ALL societal rules are subjective, there are no "objective" social standards.

Something has been bothering me. Not once did you mention (outside of your manifesto) removing nipples completely. Despite being a safer solution for the site and completely removing law out of equation you seem insistent on keeping both types of nipples in. Not to mention complete removal being a less sexist option overall.

Also sorry to pop your bubble, but you are an advertiser not the advertiser. Unless you're a CEO of Coke or something like that, you don't get a say in this.

>one saying yes and one saying no, you use the one that agreed with you to strengthen your argument

Because only 1 is needed. If you say everyone thinks one way, then to disprove you, I just need one person to say otherwise.

>Most polls I've seen …

I don't understand what you are even arguing here or the relevance. What most people find more sexually attractive is completely subjective.

>that's what society says

What does that mean? Here, i'll say it too. Society views male and female breasts to be the same.
see? Its easy to just randomly claim what """society""" thinks.

>Irrelevant, we are not talking about fetishes, or what's attractive, we are talking about parts that are seen as sexual and intimate.

a sexual fetish directly refers to what you see as sexual and intimate.

> It's a societal rule, ALL societal rules are subjective, there are no "objective" social standards.

Sorry, I don't follow appeals to emotion, and that all the "society says this" line is. objective facts or nothing.

@Ozzzim
> you are an advertiser not the advertiser.

There is no single advertiser that keeps KYM running.

me looking at this thread

Welcome, make yourself and your nipples at home!

Are you just completely changing our arguments now?

>Because only 1 is needed. If you say everyone thinks one way, then to disprove you, I just need one person to say otherwise.

What? I didn't say everyone thinks one way, you did! You are the one that said "Just ask bisexual people and most will say a topless woman is just as attractive as a topless man, like some buddy said at the top of this page." You are the one that used one opinion to say most people think this way, and I was the one that pointed that out as bullshit.

>I don't understand what you are even arguing here or the relevance. What most people find more sexually attractive is completely subjective.

Then why are you the one arguing that because bisexuals think breasts and pecks are exactly as sexual, they are?

>a sexual fetish directly refers to what you see as sexual and intimate.

We are talking about what society as a whole has deemed sexual and intimate, not what a few individuals think is hot.

>Sorry, I don't follow appeals to emotion

Not appeal to emotion, please learn what these terms mean before trying to use them

>objective facts or nothing.

You are insane, there are no "objective facts" when it comes to why societal norms are the way they are, societal norms are by definition subjective. The only objective fact is what those norms are, and the objective fact is most societies view female breasts as sexual and intimate and not male chests.

I signed the petition out of pity

I was about to tell you to stop >memearrow posting because this isn't 4chan, but then I remembered this forum has a shit quoting system so nevermind

>Telling Know your meme not to meme arrow

>can’t use greentext because it’s npt 4chan
>implying 4chan isn’t dead
>telling us what to do

I can't believe I just witnessed a person Cis-splaining someone elses bisexuality to them. What a bigot.

The reason Poochyena doesn't see a difference between male and female nipples is that the type of porn he self-admits to advertise on, most likely treats the two as such. Using Furaffinity for example, you can pretty easily find guys with pecks 4 times the size of their heads, sliding their meat scepters in between the flexed dude-boobs till milk fires out of them like goddamn lactose cannons, all on the front pages. So likely, you watch that kind of stuff for long enough, and you start to forget how Male and Female nipples are different to those not in that kind of social circle.

aye, just as a general tip, you can use < blockquote > and. < /blockquote > (without the spaces) to quote whatever you'd like

like this.

@Ryumaru Borike
> I didn't say everyone thinks one way, you did!
most =/= everyone

>Then why are you the one arguing that because bisexuals think breasts and pecks are exactly as sexual, they are?

Because the argument seems to be that womens' bare chests are sex objects while mens' bare chests aren't. and the logic for that seem to be that no one find men's bare chest to be sexually attractive while they do find women's bare chest to be.
Have I got that right?

>We are talking about what society as a whole has deemed sexual and intimate, not what a few individuals think is hot.

"society as a whole" don't think one certain way though. You have many people in society who think different ways. There is no hivemind society. Society is diverse.

>there are no "objective facts" when it comes to why societal norms are the way they are

Right, thats why "social norms" should always be ignored.

@Black Graphic T
>The reason Poochyena doesn't see a difference between male and female nipples is …

the reason is because its not a big deal to me. human nipples, male or female, are no different to me than literally any other body part. Most of you were apparantly raised to fear female nipples so its just ingrained into you that female nipples are bad. You can look at middle eastern muslim countries that force women to cover their whole body as sexism, but you can't see women in christian countries being forced to cover their chest as sexism. why? Why is forcing women to cover some part of their body sexism, but other parts not sexism? Its just because its normal to you and you don't like someone changing your world view and calling it out for what it is, sexism.

We're not forcing anyone to do anything. Women can take nude photos of themselves and artists can draw nude women all day long. The only thing that's done is making it so that certain places can, and cannot, host that content.

For someone who was all about de-platforming people from social media because, in your words, "They can just find somewhere else to post" and "Companies aren't required to let you use their platform". You seem to want to strong-arm a company into hosting content they don't approve of, because you like the nature of said content.

Its the freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequence type thing. KYM is free to do what they want and shouldn't be enforced by the government to do a certain thing, but that doesn't mean I won't take issue with what they do a protest it. I'm not going to support a website, financially or through uploading content, that engage in sexist behaviors.

Honestly Poochy we don't need more "inclusive" porn in this meme website, what we need is more memes in this meme website! Like I know that I defended the lewds in the past but I didn't mean we need more of it either, or that we should pay attention to mantaining variety in the soft core porn because this is still freaking called Know Your Meme,

I agree with getting rid of random lewds. I hate the trending images are filled with random portrait shots of random characters. A new rule that images must be meme related and not just random fanart would be nice.

I don't understand why anyone bothers arguing with poochy, I've lurked for years and every single argument I've ever seen pooch in completely ignores the others argument and/or completely misunderstands the points made by them. Pooch will not listen or even consider your points, just rebuke them with flimsy "evidence" and vague points about how it's "sexist" or "wrong" or some other buzzword without actually explaining what the fuck they're trying to say. Everytime this happens it turns into a massive comment chain of pooch completely missing the point and others making walls of text that get completely ignored or cherry picked. I mean look at how pooch is lumping the entirety of kym together and calls it all sexist while taking the moral high ground.

It's a hopeless endeavor, just don't bother talking to them.

Yeah, but sometimes you're in the mood to argue against a wall.

@Steven The Pirate
>vague points about how it's "sexist" or "wrong" or some other buzzword without actually explaining what the fuck they're trying to say.

I explained very clearly in the first post. Sexism is discriminating against someone based on their sex, which is what kym is doing by censoring female nipples but not male nipples. I don't understand how that is hard to follow.

Don't mind me…

Way to cherry pick my post and prove my other points right yet again, not to mention lumping kym into sexists again for no real reason but to make it look like you have the moral high ground…again. But whatever, have fun trying to prove whatever bullshit your pushing again, ain't gonna waste my time arguing with you like I've seen others do all the time and fail because you're incapable of understanding others points without completely missing the point or flat out ignoring parts of their post where there right.

>Way to cherry pick my post

I "cherry picked" it because its the main point of your post and replying to any other part would just point back to that part.

>not to mention lumping kym into sexists again for no real reason

you literally quoted me explaining how kym is being sexist……………

Nipples are overrated.
Legalize the ass and I'll start cooperating.

For real why are you making a fuzz over something so trivial in the forums. You can just PM the admins through email or through KYM Discord so that way you won't get roasted by hundreds of people.

Spores wrote:

I have a petition too

It's gone, RIP
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>You can just PM the admins through email or through KYM Discord

I did. One said female nipples are illegal, and the other didn't reply.

One said female nipples are illegal

Then there, that's the answer from an Admin. Case closed. That's all folks. Let's go home.