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The State of Thought on Transgender of KYM and a Theory of my own on the Subject

Last posted Jun 01, 2021 at 03:07AM EDT. Added May 29, 2021 at 02:06PM EDT
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The subject of transgender is more controversial that one may think and I believe KYM is a prime example of that. KYM users are able to express a wider variety of opinions, both political and otherwise, than what is typically seen, with only the most egregious and spam-repeating of users being banned. From my own personal experiences, this can be exemplified by the topic of transgender. Although you are much more likely to see a post, namely image, that is in support of transgender, the division of beliefs can be seen in the likes (or rather dislikes). Indeed, it is not too uncommon for a pro-trans comment to be downvoted or an anti-trans comment to be upvoted.

This has led me to conclude that KYM is roughly evenly split on their beliefs and opinions on this subject, perhaps even leaning more towards those against it (more on that below). I am very curious as to other user's thoughts on the matter, namely if I am correct in my assessment.

For quite some time now I have held a theory that there are more people in general is against transgender (or rather don't believe/support it) than for it despite the apparent overwhelming vocalization for it. Pro-trans people are able to express their views on the matter more openly while those against are typically banned, muted, blocked, etc, and generally have a larger backlash. The reason that I believe there likely is a hidden majority of anti-trans people despite all of this, despite seeing pro-trans stuff everywhere, is that anti-trans people are not nearly as vocal.
Here is my reasoning: For pro-trans people the subject is a matter of civil rights on par with racial and homosexual rights, best summarized in the popular phrase "trans rights are human rights". Thus, being against trans rights are akin to being racist and homophobic and and treated as such with rather large backlashes.
Those against the idea of transgender do not see it as such, seeing it as factually but not morally wrong. Thus they do not see it to be crucial to speak out against their ideological opposites, as it is merely someone being "incorrect" but ultimately not that big of a deal (compounded even further that expressing such opinions can have serious consequences, including losing their job).
Now for examples let's say a company runs an ad mentioning the subject. If it is against transgender, those for it would be outraged, not just making a big commotion about it but also likely not going to buy their product, even if they were going to before, out of principle. However, if they run an ad in support of transgender, most of those against it would be, at most, annoyed.

To summarize (and also generalize, I know there are plenty of exceptions on both points), anti-trans people merely think their opposites are misled or ignorant, while those pro-trans believe their opposition is morally wrong.

(I'd rather not turn this into a debate on transgenderism itself, but rather a discussion on the amount of people both here and overall divided on the matter, however I acknowledge that this will likely not be the case.)

No!! wrote:

I believe that people who are against trans rights or actively against lbgtq… have a lot of free time.

Like dont you have things to do? Why is this so important for you

I'd rather have this be a discussion and not flame-bait. Like… This contributes nothing to the topic and only exists to insult the opposition.

But to answer your likely rhetorical question, I highly doubt the amount of free time someone has is the deciding factor in any of one's beliefs. Though I should clarify that in my post when I mentioned those against/anti-trans, I was referring to everyone who doesn't believe/support the trans rights movement, just in case you were thinking I was only referring to those who were actively campaigning against it.

I disagree, I think both sides have the motivation and the means to frame the issue in personal and moral terms.

Why do you think commentators and journalists like Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson, Chris Rufo, and so on, have amassed huge followings? They didn't do it by staidly arguing that transgenderism/critical race theory is scientifically unsound or whatever. They did it by telling conservatives over and over again that CRT was coming to their workplaces, Drag Queen Story Hour was coming to their kids' schools, and so on.

imo, the only reason why there aren't more anti-trans takes online is because they're discouraged by platforms. If KYM jannies didn't have a reputation for being a liberal clique then you'd be seeing 500% more transphobia in the comments.

Particle Mare wrote:

I disagree, I think both sides have the motivation and the means to frame the issue in personal and moral terms.

Why do you think commentators and journalists like Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson, Chris Rufo, and so on, have amassed huge followings? They didn't do it by staidly arguing that transgenderism/critical race theory is scientifically unsound or whatever. They did it by telling conservatives over and over again that CRT was coming to their workplaces, Drag Queen Story Hour was coming to their kids' schools, and so on.

imo, the only reason why there aren't more anti-trans takes online is because they're discouraged by platforms. If KYM jannies didn't have a reputation for being a liberal clique then you'd be seeing 500% more transphobia in the comments.

Right wing pundits are basically right about CRT and pronoun shit being mainstream in corporate America. They exaggerate it of course – it's usually part of an onboarding training course you need to take along with the usual health safety and security training that everyone nods along to to get the 80% in the 5 question quiz before forgetting about all of this shit.

Other than letting white employees know we're fucked if any office drama escalates to HR, but as wagies we were always fucked anyways.

Keep in mind that transgender people make up less than 1% of the population. As such most people outside of the internet have little to no dealings with transgender folks. Support or opposition of transgender people (whatever that may entail) is barely an issue to the wider public. This is why you have zealous support for transgender issues from the progressive left, a vocal minority which enjoys an inflated presence through social media, academia, and social activism, and disinterest and annoyance from centrists who just want to get on with their lives.

All Twitter says is "pronouns, bathrooms, TERFs", I just wanna grill for God's sake.

No!! wrote:

Tbh believing 1% of the population changing genders is somehow going to have some disastrous effect on society if allowed is ridiculous. How could trans people destroy the world?

Me explaining how the evil trains gennders will destroy Societyâ„¢ by being accepted:

Talkie Toaster wrote:

Me explaining how the evil trains gennders will destroy Societyâ„¢ by being accepted:

You have niggas cooming over trannies doing pedo shit and cooming over a research in which anime can turn you into a tranny so whenever they see some nigga posting moe anime, they post "> tranime didn't read, sage and also built for bee bee sea" while eating bugs.

Mr. Croat wrote:

You have niggas cooming over trannies doing pedo shit and cooming over a research in which anime can turn you into a tranny so whenever they see some nigga posting moe anime, they post "> tranime didn't read, sage and also built for bee bee sea" while eating bugs.

That shit happens on /qa/. They immediately bitch about trannies being pedos and automatically think everyone who posts something that trannies post or if is a tranny is a pedo.

Mr. Croat wrote:

That shit happens on /qa/. They immediately bitch about trannies being pedos and automatically think everyone who posts something that trannies post or if is a tranny is a pedo.

Basically, all sides bitch about each other there and that annoys me. Soyjak got purged there only for those political idiots of any side (including Centrists) to ruin everything.

Mr. Croat wrote:

Basically, all sides bitch about each other there and that annoys me. Soyjak got purged there only for those political idiots of any side (including Centrists) to ruin everything.

And no. I am not simping for transsexuals. I am just saying that everyone takes them too far no matter if you love them or hate them.
What the hell am I writing?

My viewpoint is fairly simple. It's your life, do what you want with it, just leave me alone in the process.

That second part is where I start to get annoyed with pronouns and what-not, though. At work, I routinely get called ma'am instead of sir (literally all my co-workers are female) so if I can handle getting called the wrong pronoun by someone I don't even know, so can you, AFAIC.

Last edited May 31, 2021 at 02:46PM EDT

LesserAngel wrote:

My viewpoint is fairly simple. It's your life, do what you want with it, just leave me alone in the process.

That second part is where I start to get annoyed with pronouns and what-not, though. At work, I routinely get called ma'am instead of sir (literally all my co-workers are female) so if I can handle getting called the wrong pronoun by someone I don't even know, so can you, AFAIC.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a non-transgender person getting mistaken for the opposite gender has a rather different experience from a transgender person being referred to (often over and over, from what I understand) as a personal identity they no longer have and are actively attempting to shed.

Lake: Shadow Legends wrote:

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that a non-transgender person getting mistaken for the opposite gender has a rather different experience from a transgender person being referred to (often over and over, from what I understand) as a personal identity they no longer have and are actively attempting to shed.

Probably, but of all the things to complain about, someone that doesn't even know you using the wrong pronoun shouldn't be near the top of the list. IMO, this should be one of those things you should just try to get used to, because if people screw it up with cisgendered people like myself, they WILL screw it up with transgendered people.

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