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Apparently people like to get their panties in a knot over a memesite chat.

Share issues if you got them.

If you get into a lot of beef with others, adapt yourself instead of expecting everyone to adapt to you. The chat can survive without you, but not without everyone else. If you are a negative influence to a friendly and welcoming atmosphere, a ban can be justified.

bring back dubtron

bring back wao

bring back madcat

>more informative

bring back the extreme niche porn

Than "Complain about the IRC here". Yes, it is.

Do you want to keep going with the discussion here, though?

For starters I've observed mods supporting bans, kicks and mutes of people they view as a 'negative influence' which is such a broad thing to say you can basically get rid of anyone you dislike without a good reason beyond disliking them.

Furthermore let's not get ahead of ourselves the IRC is anything but friendly far too often. I'll give it welcoming since it's pretty good about greeting people but friendly? There's regular cursing and contempt thrown about alongside hate-fueled demands for 'ban/mute/kick dis user cause he likes homosuck and i dont like him' or some trivial reason along those lines. And that wouldn't be a problem except mods will actually act upon such ridiculous requests. I'll also add that instead of rewarding such behavior if anything the person requesting such things might themselves deserve the ban/kick/mute.

I've had some friendly moments, been able to get a few nice jokes where everyone was having a good time and getting along, but it's far too often quickly ruined by the above issues.

If the chat harbors a mentality where thinking honestly is punished even when the honesty does not have any genuine insults or hate within it, such a chat should as a whole have its rules revamped, or the chat itself should simply go.

I say if the rules are not going to be enforced properly but rather based on how emotional a specific mod feels about someone then you might as well not have a chat in the first place, it's becoming an aggressive mod circle-jerk.

That's based on a few months of experience by now of literally, hundreds of kicks per month, quite a few mutes, and a few bans. I'd also like to add my bans were not the result of cursing or hating someone but rather a result of either 1. mods directly disliking me and openly saying the reason I'm being banned is because I am disliked by them and others or 2. because of misunderstandings which were quickly resolved in an honest and direct manner.

All I'm asking for is a chat where I can go speak honestly without fear I'll be banned because my jokes are 'stupid' or my complaints/personality is 'annoying.' Might as well rename the chat the Salem Witch Trials IRC where every witch is someone who thinks differently.

Don't shitpost in suggest ideas you fucking wankers.

1. mods directly disliking me and openly saying the reason I’m being banned is because I am disliked by them and others or 2. because of misunderstandings which were quickly resolved in an honest and direct manner.

Most of the times I've seen you get banned, it's been for a legitimate reason, but if you think differently that's okay. If you are ever banned on terms which you believe are unfair, keep or get logs on the subject (copy/paste your ENTIRE time in the IRC, from joining to getting banned) and PM me or another mod who you believe can view the conversation from a neutral point of view, or have a mod explain to you why you are getting banned. We will do our best to point out the exact reasons you were banned, and what NOT to do in the future. If you were obviously banned unjustly, then we'll unban you. Simple as that.

All I’m asking for is a chat where I can go speak honestly without fear I’ll be banned because my jokes are ‘stupid’ or my complaints/personality is ‘annoying.’

Then start changing your attitude a bit.

For starters I’ve observed mods supporting bans, kicks and mutes of people they view as a ‘negative influence’ which is such a broad thing to say you can basically get rid of anyone you dislike without a good reason beyond disliking them.

While I normally would support this, recently this complaint only comes from one camp: Folks who got banned.

It's difficult to believe this is truly a large and constant issue when it only comes forward from guys who stubbornly refuse to believe they can be in the wrong too.

Like muffin said, if you are truly correct, the logs will prove that.

Giving Don a half-baked description of the ban and trying to brush it off as some "mistake" isn't proof.

alongside hate-fueled demands for ‘ban/mute/kick dis user cause he likes homosuck and i dont like him’ or some trivial reason along those lines. And that wouldn’t be a problem except mods will actually act upon such ridiculous requests.

If you're someone who expects me to listen to those retarded demands, you are even more stupid than the guy you're trying to get banned.

Then again, I know of some people who have beef with the IRC and bans, YET at the same time tried to get others banned over hate-fueled reasons (*cough*Eurofighter*cough*).

Try mods who are influenced by friend politics instead, like Zed or Synge hahaha.

>more informative

More than a simple complain thread lol.

Sounds like someone just got owned.

Dubtron is dead, I suggest we replace the dubtron commands with SkyeKattr0n commands.

Oh yeah that is a legit issue: Don't +O non-mods because they pleasure your e-penis ffs.

You know who you are.

mod e: way to get everyone oped

RM Edit: Practical jokes with no discrimination =/= Retarded e-penis pleasuring.

Just give your penis pals +v it's a useless title plus it gives me more people to de v

I'm trying to get my head around how the IRC ban system works;

Mod bans User
User moans to Admin (Who's not involved)
Admin doesn't consult Mod
Admin unbans User

And the cycle continues. Why is there no consultation – it should be that the mod that bans a user is the one that is first consulted as to why and whether or not they feel said user should be allowed back on to the IRC.

On another note – users who've been banned several times – being unbanned without checks yet again – where is the line drawn? There should be a system where you have several strikes and then you get a permanent ban (Which can be appealed after a certain amount of time has passed)

I don't want to hear the whole "Strikes don't work" deal – it does work. End of.

Strikes don't work if each strike is wrongly given. The mod's feelings should not cloud basic rule judgements. However, you can argue there aren't any rules and thus they get to, to which I bring up another point: why hasn't there been any attempt at a set of basic guidelines for IRC conduct?

That's a really good question. I've asked why there isn't an official rule list before, and there were a few people who wanted an actual rule list.

Here's my shitty contribution that probably doesn't matter:

Spam- Kicked

Repeated Spam- One Hour Ban (Both Spam Charges Don't Apply To #OMGKYM)

Untagged NSFW- Kicked

Repeated Untagged NSFW- 3 Hour Ban

Untagged Spoilers- Kicked

IRL Gore- 3 Hour Ban

Death Threats- 1 Week Ban

Actual Sexual Harassment- 1 Week Ban

Erping Outside Of #knowyourerp- Kicked

Being An Advertising Account- Permaban

We could set up some type of strike system with this. (Remember, these are just suggestions.)

the only time irc is relevant is when someone is complaining about it. it's a silly chat room and a relic of a kym 1.0 research hub. it's ultimately useless outside of circlejerking and sharing pornography.

if i was an admin i'd cut it from the site entirely, it's not owned by cheez and has no real connection to the site itself. leave it to the crusty oldfags to bitch and gossip by ourselves. irc seems like such a problematic place because the only time anyone talks about it is when it's up to no good. but even a rudimentary glance at the "irc moments" thread shows that it is a bunch of harmless goofballs.

every day kym gets about a million views, a hundred new users and thousands of comments, there are hardly ever more than 35 people in irc. c'mon guys, bring back dubtron.

@About rules and stuff

Yeah, I can see this already working.

God, it's a chat. Stop trying to make it sound like its a big deal. IRC is a place where we can enjoy ourselves without thinking too much.

Turning the chat into a bureaucratic process of kicks and bans because some people are unable to socialize without having a bit of common sense is dumb.

Almost never happens and when it does, the adv account will likely never come back, making it a waste of a ban space.

Spam accounts gets k-lined, you just need to report them to freenode staff. And I mean real spam accounts, though.

Being An Advertising Account- Permaban

Almost never happens and when it does, the adv account will likely never come back, making it a waste of a ban space.

That actually is a really good list. Not too specific and it's universally agreeable, except for the roleplay rule which seems fairly unnecessary and random.

The IRC doesn't need rules apart from the few unwritten ones it has already.

It's a chat room – not a concentration camp.

I'm sure it's safe to assume the mods have common sense – therefore they're capable of making their own decisions regarding punishments. It's worked so far. My issue is specifically if you hadn't guessed it – with Epyc_Wyn continually being unbanned by Don who consults no one, he gets a half baked explanation as to why Epyc was banned where he plays the usual victim card deal and bada-bing bada-boom he's back on IRC being a dick.

He's been banned several times now for good reason – I'd guess about 6 times and on top of that he's bypassed some bans with his "proxies xdddd". Surely that warrants a permanent ban from IRC no? If not then why should he still be allowed there?

I'm in favor of the strike system. Hey man, if you prove that you can't learn from your terrible mistakes, then It's best if you don't come back. I mean, isn't that the same reason Slime 'Cap was banned?

If we're going to make the IRC some bureaucratic system of rules and guidelines, then we best start with some other site-related group chats. There have been some things going on in this KYM brone group chat which you could call the cops over and the mods are still just letting it pass.

Fuck rules. Be a retard and you get punished, that's it.

The strike system was already sorta in place, so nothing needs to change there. If you tsundere nerds want to see this guy you can't shut up over banned, be patient and it'll happen. This constant pissing contest asks for more bans, because people pissing on wyn have more damage at times than the guy himself.

NON x Wyn OTP

@non
simply epyc, epyc for the wyn…

on a serious note, if users are having a beef with each other on the irc, could they at least not resort to name calling? all it does is inflame a situation and cause a lot of unnecessary drama and problems.
also, i don't think rules should be set up for the irc, but rather a guideline so that people know how the irc will be, like such as "please do not link gore in the main chat, rather do it via private messages" or stuff like "remember not to take anything seriously in the irc".

The Chat page that has the embedded IRC used to have this:

Be respectful. No flooding, no bots, and no obscene content (no loli's, no porn, no nudity.)

Which later got worked into what we have now, albeit abridged:

As always, please use your common sense and be respectful of others in the chatroom (i.e., no flooding, no bots, no obscene content), or CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. Enjoy!

This isn't to say that this is enough rules or a solid rule list. In fact, I thought the old one was more detailed until I looked it up, and I agree we should have something more fleshed out. I just want to point out that the IRC is not without written rules or a guideline for its users. (I'm also not sure if I agree with the wording you used about sending gore to people in private messages, but that's something else.)

>I’m going to say a revolutionary statement:

i dont know if this part is memeing me or not, but your entire post was incredibly more conformist to the current status quo than anything else

About the no bots rule…

What about SkyeKattr0n?

Dubtron's replacement.

@randomman

Fuck rules. Be a retard and you get punished, that’s it.

Rules need to be set in place so that users will behave ideally in the IRC. The method you used to decide whether a user gets punished or not is subject to subjectivity, because without rules it is pretty hard to define what is right and wrong.

The strike system was already sorta in place, so nothing needs to change there.

The strike system does work, but it only works when you are enforcing rules that have already been set in place. Since you go by the mantra "fuck the rules" you can pick out whatever reason you want out of thin air and use it as a justification for the strike in this case.

Rules need to be set in place so that users will behave ideally in the IRC.

It's a chatroom. You are expecting way too much from it and from the people in there. Like I said, it's a place where people can enjoy themselves without thinking too much.

As expected, some are incapable of doing that. The IRC is like a dick, don't take it too hard.

because without rules it is pretty hard to define what is right and wrong

>Implying we are incompetent enough like to not be capable of knowing right from wrong
>next you're going to tell me whatever we do as mods is wrong and you're the only one who is right

Since you go by the mantra “fuck the rules” you can pick out whatever reason you want out of thin air and use it as a justification for the strike in this case.

We don't. Outside of stupid jokes between mods (and read, between mods only), we really don't. With the case at hand, I already explained the reason everyone is demanding a ban.

We need rules so people will shut up about being banned.

Things are fine without rules if the people or person in power is just and proper. If it was a dictatorship under one of the admins who are actually paid to be proper toward users, this would be quickly fixed. But none of them have the time for it. Instead, there is the oligarchy beneath the admins of mods whom are trusted to enforce the rules without being paid. They have a great diversity of views and a hivemind mentality when a few of them get emotional.

The rules aren't necessary for the users more often than not. The rules are meant for the mods because they have proved inconsistent and oftentimes wrong when it comes to social judgement calls. Furthermore, cases where users are blatantly targeting other users with strong hate or even encouraging deactivations/death or something along those lines, are far more often than not within the IRC ignored, or worse, encouraged: by mods.

And any time these issues are pointed out, instead of listening, many mods will actively hate against the person saying this and cry out 'mod aboose' as if it's not an issue.

It is an issue, mods should be absorbing this information and reflecting upon it. The IRC has garnered a terrible reputation for this poor setup where highly biased mods take advantage of their position to insult and remove users they don't like for no other reason than having a style and personality they don't enjoy.

This is wrong and must change.

>Implying we are incompetent enough like to not be capable of knowing right from wrong
>next you’re going to tell me whatever we do as mods is wrong and you’re the only one who is right

A mod quoting the rules is like a physicist quoting Newton's 3 laws of motion. It's irrelevant whether the rules are blatantly obvious, they need to be stated to avoid confusion. I have been banned for arguing with mods over subjects like general morality, and due to their impatience they banned me over stuff like that.

>when a few of them get emotional.

Click me Epyc

>hey have proved inconsistent and oftentimes wrong when it comes to social judgement calls…

I'd like evidence of where the the mods have proved themselves "inconsistent and often times wrong" – and no referencing yourself is not sufficient.

>Furthermore, cases where users are blatantly targeting other users with strong hate or even encouraging deactivations/death or something along those lines, are far more often than not within the IRC ignored, or worse, encouraged: by mods.

Again I'd like to see evidence of it – apart from yourself yet again because if it's only you (especially with the background you have on IRC, then it's not sufficient enough to prove anything) – I myself have been a target before and it's always been sorted out. In your case it's because you never learn.

>And any time these issues are pointed out, instead of listening, many mods will actively hate against the person saying this and cry out ‘mod aboose’ as if it’s not an issue.

The only person I've seen on IRC that consistently says the mods/admins are abusing their powers is you, and not only do it you do it on the IRC but in the past you've said it on the forums – it's laughable really. And the only reason they (apparently) "hate" said person cough you cough is because you've done this several times and yet again you never learn.

>IRC has garnered a terrible reputation
>implying it ever had a good one

>highly biased mods take advantage of their position to insult and remove users they don’t like for no other reason than having a style and personality they don’t enjoy.

You say they're highly biased only because you're always on the receiving end – the only reason you're ever on the receiving end is because you're an asshole – I don't understand if you suffer from some mental health issues or you're just stupid (hopefully the latter) but if you spent more time being unbanned and "normal" then you'd see other users get treated just the same when they pull a dick move – a good example is myself, I'm literally butt buddies with RandomMan but he doesn't give me special preference, I've been punished by him the few times I've caused shit and guess what? I deserved it and took my punishment and learnt from it.

There are many different personalities on the IRC, ones I personally don't enjoy – hell if I could I'd nuke IRC but your " personality " is probably the worst I've ever seen. Personally I think you have some serious issues to sort out dude, although whatever they are I don't care and I don't want to know and as much as I dislike you, I do not hate you – it's impossible for me to hate someone I've never met and probably never will.

All I want is for you to see why you're in this position now – why you're in the wrong – and then to accept what you've done and move forward from there, but right now you're just being a dick by continuing this tirade – it's up to you to change that.

Now that I've been snarky enough today I can go get drunk – cheers fuckers.

@Epyc

People hates you, get over it.

Why isn't anyone setting up rules now?

honestly since irc's main appeal is how little anyone cares for the rules, i imagine any formal rules will be ignored outright.

Wouldn't it therefore be allowed I post gore?

IRC is just a place where we all go to hang out and share our cruddy humor.

Really, the only rule that should be enforced is "Don't be antagonistic and try to start shit"

Like a group of friends hanging out in a living room, the only rule is "don't be an asshole or we are gonna kick you out"

i guess so, honestly, i don't even know if anyone would mind if you let people know it was gore before they clicked, like people do with cartoon pornography

Rules need to be set in place so that users will behave ideally in the IRC.

So that's why you like to act far from ideally by bullying girls?

This is wrong and must change.

So is your behavior but you haven't really changed that so far.

Why isn’t anyone setting up rules now?

Are other group chats using members on this site doing that?

Here's a poll

Depends, most of the time, if it's NSFW and you label it gore that then sure, we dealt with Nebu posting.

If you post like NSFL stuff then I think it would be a unanimous agreement to ban you. (Sorry, that means no ISIS beheading videos that love)

>because you’re an asshole
>personality is the worst I’ve ever seen
>don’t know if you’re stupid or have mental issues
>you’re in the wrong
The fact people can be upvoted so greatly for such hate, appalls me.

Hear that guys? If somebody thinks you're a terrible person or are in the wrong, nobody can call you out on it, even if many people are thinking it (as is evident from the upvotes). Rules should be put in place to stop this.

Now, I haven't been around long enough to make judgment calls on Epyc's personality. I'm only hearing second hand what others are saying. I'm just pointing out that improper logic.

Some evidence is long overdue. Scrolling up, all I see in terms of evidence is a link to the moderator-user review thread. However, in that thread, we see such constructive and unbiased comments from Epyc such as

Their social skills on the IRC make me want to gag.

and

I think the moderators should consider anger-management counseling and reconsider the language they use to convey their feelings.

You then go on to say

If anything I’ve said is incorrect please logically explain why.

Sure, people are definitely going to want to logically explain why after you started off with emotional attacks.

You need to start out with constructive, well thought out comments, that aren't charged with emotion. You bombed your entire point before you even explained why you thought it. This is important, ESPECIALLY when dealing with people in power. That's just a general, basic rule for communication. You don't have much of an excuse on this forum either, when you could take hours, even days to think out your response and it wouldn't be particularly fishy. Taking five minutes to try to give more constructive, logical commentary from the get-go isn't much to ask.

I wouldn't bother – he's obviously the Einstein of our century

Democracy tells us people like the IRC the way it is.

Do you still expect us to cater to your, now proven, selfish need of rules?

The fact people can be upvoted so greatly for such hate, appalls me.

You should take acting classes, faking a victim suits you.

I’ll simply say disliking the manner in which someone exists is no basis for censoring and openly directing hate toward them

So it's okay for you to be an asshole but the rest has to simply "deal with it" because "I'm like this and I can't change"?

Well, that's why we have bans and kicks. To force people to change.

That’s why mods and users alike need restrictions to what they can get away with doing in the IRC.

No, you just can't accept the fact that you're wrong. And a big part of the chat thinks otherwise about catering to your own feelings and ego.

We will just not do it. The chat can live without you.

Democracy tells us people like the IRC the way it is.

/thread

@ProfessorRivers If it's evidence you want, some guy (forget who) screencapped one of Epyc's meltdowns to post in IRC Moments (before one of the mods stopped him) I think it was on pastebin.