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O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)14:22:03 No.827861 File: pepe.jpg (40 KB, 500x484) >>828204 >>828417 >>828571 >>832505 >>833102 >>826340 DO NOT LEARN MANDARIN DO NOT DO IT YOU WILL FOREVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CHINESE, TRUST ME YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT PLEASE MAN DON'T DO IT, THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS MANDARIN AND LIVES IN CHINA YOU DON'T WANT THIS LEARN JAPANESE OR RUSSIAN INSTEAD, TRUST ME, PLEASE DO NOT LEARN MANDARIN IT WILL F--- UP YOUR LIFE BECAUSE NO BOSS IS GOING TO BE LIKE 'oh he has a degree in Mandarin and speaks it really well, let's just have him not involved in any way whatsoever with China'. The Chinese are absolute s---, they are the worst human beings that I have ever encountered on this planet, and I am EXTREMELY well traveled, including many s------- countries. Don't do it man, please take my advice, learn Japanese or Russian or some s--- instead, do NOT learn Mandarin You won't realize the truth in what I'm saying until you're already here, but by then it'll be too late. Don't do it man, please, help me help you, learn something else! O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:13:48 No.828249 > >>828273 >>828285 >>828397 >>828542 >>828571 >>832485 >>832737 >>840123 >>828204 Business related: >constant dickery, backstabbing, underhandedness >if they can lie, cheat, or steal, they will. >constantly have to deal with cheats and thieves, the Chinese will rarely outright steal something from you, but they will never give you what you want for the money you spend, unless you spend a large sum of money; the Chinese even have a saying about this, - , -E. It's basically expected that if you pay a low price for something you'll get scrap, even if it's supposed to adhere to a strict standard Example 1: >I work in the stainless steel industry. Friend is buying 201 grade steel (very common, basic grade) from a factory in Jiangsu. He asks me to inspect. Alright. I go to the factory, they assure me that they can produce within the required specification (tolerance of -0.25mm for thickness, aka 1/4 cm, the steel was 30mm in thickness so it had to be 29.75 or above to be within standard) and normal ASTM/AISI (standard international grade) chemistry, well alright my friend's buying this so I guess they're legit >nope >l inspect the goods, thickness if all over the f------ place from -28.5mm-29.5mm, I confront them about the thickness and their claims that they could produce to standard, >'oh anon because ASTM is an American grade we were obviously talking about inches, our mill only works in inches so we were talking about 1/4 an inch >lying through their f------ teeth, literally everyone else who wasn't part of the company backs me up saying that they were talking about mm, factory denies it >check chemistry >nickel content is less than 1/5 of what it's supposed to be on some sheets, chemistry is all over the f------ place, almost nothing is to standard >oh anon, this is 201 *industry standard* steel, your friend should have specified that he wanted 201 *international standard* steel cont, this is going to be long, I have several. O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:20:53 No.828273 > >>828293 >>828296 >>828316 >>828397 >>828571 >>832485 >>828249 >there's only one 201 grade you f------ idiot, if you produce 'industry standard' 201 then you mark it as such like everyone else in the f------ industry you don't just call it '201' grade steel, you're literally committing fraud >so sue us, the order's only worth ~$30,000, enjoy spending more on legal fees than you'il get from us :^) >later was arguing with he production staff at their office, showed them the f------ American standard that said 'hey you're wrong on the thickness, you have to refund the money >one of the staff got into an argument with me over the meaning of 'up to', i.e. she thought 'up to 30' meant 'starting at 30 and over', rather than everything up to '30" >no anon, your English is too poor to understand this >English is my native language you stupid c--- you can barely string two sentences together He didn't get his money back and didn't sue. Example 2: >same 201 steel order, hire a Russian company to do shipping since it's being shipped to Moscow, want everything to be seamless, no chance at fuckups >our contract with the Russian company specifically states that they will take care of the packaging, because in addition to the steel being off standard it was also produced late, so it has to go on a high speed train to avoid being late; the high speed train has very specific packing requirements for steel, so we thought the Russians could handle it >day of shipment comes (a Saturday), all documents in place, should be fine >get a call >"hey so the goods didn't leave on Saturday." >". Why. >"Because the factory didn't package them." >"WE HIRED YOU TO PACKAGE THE GOODS YOU INCOMPETENT F---" >"Oh. Well, there aren't any forklifts in the area that can handle weights as heavy as this" >"..you're literally surrounded by warehouses, many of which stock stainless steel. Please explain how you are unable to find a forklift. Saturday from the Chinese sub-contractor that the Russians hired to do the Chinese leg of the journey cont O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:32:59 No.828316 828338 >>828397 >>828571 >>832282 >>837828 File: F------.jpg (14 KB, 236x351) >>828273 >"Well, we just can't find one. You have to find one." >l ended up doing their job for them and finding them a forklift. Goods arrived a week late because the train only leaves once per week, friend lost even more money because he had to give additional discounts to his client. LUCKILY, the Chinese 201 grade happened to be the same as Russian local 'industry standard' 201 steel (I guess some shared Soviet thing?), so he didn't lose all of his money, only about 20%+ Sigh Example >ordering goods from a large state-owned mill, purchase through a company that came recommended by the sales manager (you have to do this in order to take advantage of the export tax rebate that China has) >we purchase, everything goes smoothly except for a small crisis the order, so we had to negotiate with the sales manager and company late into the night to bring things down to $2800/ton, plus increase the price to our end customer (they weren't happy) >this happens extremely often in China; they quote one thing then jack up the price after your client has signed the contract with you, knowing you can't back out or you'll lose reputation and possibly money >March comes around, goods are produced on time, sales manager assures us that the goods will be in Tianjin Xingang port on March 9th at the latest, we'll then package the goods and have them ready for shipment on the i the start, where the company quoted $2600/ton, but when ordering time came around the goods jumped to $3000/ton, meaning we would have lost money on 16th. >March 5th rolls around >'Hey guys, how're the good doing? Still on the train?" >'No, they haven't left yet." >'What." >'Don't worry, we can still put them on a fast train to port, it'll take 3-4 days or so, you'll be fine.' >'Alright, whatever, just make sure we're there in time for the March 16th shipment date. >'Yes, yes, of course' >March 9th comes around >'Hey guys, where are the goods? Already in Tianjin? >'Well, they haven't left yet." cont O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:40:30 No.828338 > >>828358 >>828397 >>828571 >>832485 >>828316 >After l'm done having an aneurysm, I call the mill's transport office and immediately have them cancel the train booking and instead put the goods on trucks and truck them straight to the port >Goods arrive. Tianjin port is a bit funky, they have a government bureau which packages the goods, you can't package the goods once they're within port, it's like one giant bonded warehouse >Company assures us that the goods will be packed according to specifications (going on Russian train system, they have special requirements) >alright, cool >Confirm with them that the goods are alright about 4 days before the shipping date, they've confirmed that the Russian shipping company has okayed the packaging job, I receive photos of the job, forward them on to the Russian company >Alright, cool >Day before shipment, I get a message from the Russian shipping company >'Hey, we've been trying to get in contact with the Chinese company for a week, we've had no response, the packaging job isn't correct, there's no way the Russian train service will accept the goods' >Trying to fight back another aneurysm >immediately get in contact with the Chinese company, ask them who exactly told them that the packaging job was ok >some f------ Chinese subcontractor who had no authority to do so >GOD F------ DAMNIT >ask the Chinese why they didn't get in contact with the Russian shipping company, the company had sent them numerous messages over the past week >'oh well we were talking to you so we thought we didn't have to respond >long story short, the packaging job was s---, the coils we were shipping (10,000+lbs each) moved during shipment because of the s--- job and damaged the container, we were delayed by one month in Vladivostok port while they fixed the container and redid the packaging, also had to pay all additional fees >Chinese company refused to compensate us It was at this point that I completely stopped trusting the Chinese in any way, shape or form. cont >>828338 Example 4: This happened when the company was still new and just started working in China. >Had another deal, we were buying common grade steel to be exported >ok cool, everything's in order, no problems thus far >We have an inspector in China to check the goods >He apparently goes to the guy's warehouse in Tianjin and checks up on things, says the seller is legit, he even managed to negotiate a 2% discount, we trust him and go through with the deal >No problems with import/export, the steel arrives at its destination in Russia, lo and behold the steel is not what we ordered at all, we ordered 304 and 321 steel, what we received was some sort of f------ 201 failed abortion s---, manganese through the roof, low nickel content, low chromium content, completely out of standard >what in the f---? >ask inspector what exactly he did, again, in detail >he just went to the guy's company office, they chatted for a while, Chinese guy served him some tea, negotiated a 2% discount and then left quite pleased with himself >never visited the warehouse, never saw the goods in person, never even f------ checked the mill certificate to see if the goods were genuine >fire him on the spot, never happening again >l go in person to meet with the fraud, also contact our lawyers in China >The fraud agrees to a refund only if we send the steel back to his warehouse in China and he has his inspectors look at it and say whether or not it's his >yeah, okay, sure, great idea 10/10, f------ hell >i suggest instead that he send a guy to Russia to look at the steel and figure it out >'No, he's a peasant, he's too afraid to go overseas." >I'm going to f------ strangle our recently-fired inspector >Have our lawyers look into the case >Fun fun fun: if a Chinese guy commits fraud and sends you the wrong goods, it's not a criminal offense, only a civil offense >your only recourse is to sue the company >look into the company's finances cont O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)16:58:35 No.828384 >>828390 >>828396 >>828397 >>828405 >>828413 >>828571 >>829244 >>832485 >>835522 >>837828 ile: CHINESE.jpg (79 KB, 501x870) >>828358 >1m RMB registered capital, almost 100% assured that he's moved it out of the account by now since it does >decide not to sue him because we'd be spending so much money on legal fees with almost 0 chance of getting any money back The Chinese legal system is extremely weak. If you order say $100,000 worth of goods from someone and they literally send you trash that SEMI-resembles the goods that's worth maybe $1,000, there are almost no penalties. They will not got to jail, they will not be penalized in any way, they will simply declare their company bankrupt and start a new one. Companies like this pop up all the time like mushrooms after rain; you should never, ever, ever, ever, ever buy from Alibaba for this reason. Seriously though, a contract is hardly worth the paper it's printed on, if you do business in China you should ALWAYS have the jurisdiction be under a neutral law, like the UK or Singapore or whatever, also make sure that you never pay much in advance, and only pay the balance AFTER inspection and AFTER any goods you buy are either sealed or put into a bonded warehouse. Example 5: This happened long after I realized the Chinese were turbo-Jews on steroids: >have a Russian client who constantly sends price inquiries over to our company, we constantly give him prices >'No no no anon, these prices are too high, I can find better prices elsewhere >What the f--- are you talking about these prices are very far below market level, literally 10%-20% undercutting the Russian market >'No anon, you see I can find better prices' >'Okay. Good luck. >Russian friend purchases from some really f------ shady characters >I strongly, STRONGLY advise him not to do this or at least let me check the mill certificates for him >He thinks I'm trying to steal his sources or Russian clients >Hey man, whatever, you do you. Good luck. >He calls me a month or so later begging me to source his steel for him O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:08:44 No.828413 ► >>828431 >>828439 >>828571 >>828745 >>832485 >833261 >>837828 File: FILTH jpg (44 KB, 316x641) >>828384 >turns out, all these amazing prices he was getting were from.. >. surprise, surprise, frauds >he orders -$200,000 from these guys, he has inspectors in China who inspect everything, it looks goods >but, his inspectors left the shipping container in the dealer's warehouse, unlocked, for 2 days before shipping it to port >when the goods arrived in Russia, the top steel sheet was all according to grade, but everything else was just common carbon steel, and rusty at that >he ended up losing almost everything, he was able to resell the scrap for maybe $20,000 total >feel kind of bad for him, but at the same time he refused all help and completely ignored my advice, so w/e He was very apologetic afterwards though, I'm helping him again to avoid getting f----- by the goddamn Chinese thieves. Anyway, non-business related examples: >out at a club with a few friends, we're hanging around outside, as we're talking a guy about 30 feet to the left of us collapses and starts seizing >Guess someone spiked his drink or something? I don't know. >never bring my cell phone with my when I go clubbing, f--- >run over the a small police station about 100 yards away >'Please call an ambulance, there's a guy having a seizure over there, he needs help!" >'no." >'What the f--- why not?" >'It's not my job." Eventually one of the other clubbers called an ambulance for the guy, but still, what the f---? O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:20:36 No.828439 ► >828466 >>828510 >>828571 >>840173 >>828413 >Roommate extremely sick, delirious with fever, can't stand up or walk, have to take him to the hospital >Call up my landlady, ask her if she can call a cab for us (gated community) >'No." >'Why not?" >'Point to the part of the contract where it says I have to hire cabs for you." >Jesus f------ christ, whatever >Throw my roommate on my back, carry him out to the street, hire a cab to the nearest hospital >Arrive in hospital, we wait in line behind this old woman while she's chatting with the doctor about some day-to-day b------- >Friend is literally about to vomit all over the floor, can you hurry this up? >'Nope :^) >Christ's sake >Wait 5 minutes for them to finish their chit-chat (again, I understand/speak Chinese, they were talking about banal b-------, about the lady's grandson and sports), the old lady takes the pills and walks off >Doctor attends to my friend >Has to get him to piss in a cup and everything >Have to help him piss in a cup and do all the tests and whatever >All of a sudden, as I'm waiting for a test result in the doctor's office, nurse bursts through the door, asking if l'm someone's 'countryman' >though she was talking about my roommate, I say 'No he's Canadian, I'm American. >she grabs my arm and pulls me into the main hall of the clinic >Some tall white guy is stumbling around, blood caked all over his head, probably just been hit by a car, he's completely out of it >surrounded by a bunch of Chinese doctors and nurses and keep shouting at him in Chinese to sit down so they can run tests on him >He obviously has a head injury, why the f--- do you think it's a good idea to surround him and yell at him in a foreign language? >Whatever. They think that I speak his language cause we're both white >l go over to him, he keeps getting back up after the Chinese doctors force him to sit down, eventually I just walk with him and we both take a seat near the wall, I talk with him to calm him down, find out he's from Sweden >>828439 >the Chinese call an ambulance for the Swedish guy to take him to a larger hospital (Beijing Uni hospital) >they ask me to be his translator >yeah sure it's not like my friend is dying in the f------ waiting room. >i call a Russian friend to come take care of my roommate, after the Russian friend arrives I go in the ambulance with the Swedish quy >they do all kinds of tests, hospital only accepts cash, by the time the doctor gives us the results I have maybe 80 yuan in my wallet left (spent 800+ on tests) O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:38:42 No.828504 >>828521 >>828526 >>828571 >>830120 >>830720 File: 12371312.jpg (179 KB, 794x794) >>828466 >To the Swedish guy: "So, our test results show that you are bleeding into your skull as a result of what we assume is you being hit by a car. We would like to keep you in the observation ward overnight, so if anything happens we can respond immediately. Again, your wound could easily be fatal." >me: 'alright, but I only have about 80 yuan, do you guys take cards at all?" >..No. Here, let me patch you up, you guys can go. >'What? I thought you said that this could be fatal. >'Yes, it COULD be fatal, but isn't necessarily fatal, let me clean and bandage up his head so you guys can head out. >literally lost all interest whatsoever in caring for the Swedish guy once he learned I was out of cash, refused to do delayed payment or anything like that, I had to pay up front in cash if I wanted to put the guy in the observation ward for the night >mfw Jesus f------ christ. In retrospect, I should have called the Swedish embassy the first time I figured out the guy was Swedish so that he could have received proper care, but still. This was by far my most f----- up experience in China, that urgent medical care was refused because I didn't have cash on hand ready to pay. It was completely f----- up. This, of course, is aside from the fact that both my friend and the Swedish guy were made to queue up every time behind people with minor injuries and coughs while one was about to fall over and pass out on the floor while the other was bleeding profusely from his head. It was so completely f----- up. Anyway, I got a cab back home with the Swedish guy, the Swedish guy promised he'd take me out to dinner and pay me back for the medical expenses, but I never received a call after that night. After I didn't receive any call, I remember checking news articles in the weeks following to see if there were any reports of a Swedish guy dying in Beijing, but I didn't see anything. I hope he's alright. O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:45:52 No.828526 ► >828533 >>828553 >>828571 File: 1453454498022.png (307 KB, 412x493) 體 >>828504 And one more example of Chinese dickery for tonight, there are a thousand other stories I could tell about this s--- both business-wise and everywhere else, but l'll just work myself up if I do that: >have a few friends who want to go to a nice place for the weekend, to a theme park that's a ways away from the city >friend contacts a travel agency >really f------ good prices, 250 yuan for the weekend >f--- yeah, nice >we get on the bus, go to the theme park >long story short, the 250 yuan included: bus tickets. The advertisement and company both confirmed that the 250 yuan was for all expenses for the entire weekend but neglected to mention that those expenses were only those relating to the bus, not even joking >what the 250 yuan didn't include >hotels >food >actually going into the theme park i.e. paying the entrance ticket >doing things inside the theme park, all of which costed additional $$$ >transportation to and from the theme park + hotel >also had to pay additional money for wifi inside the hotel >by the end of the weekend, the entire thing ended up costing about 2000 yuan per person >travel company also had mandatory shopping outings at affiliated shops along the route, we all had to stop and hang out in the story for 15 minutes or so But hey, good luck getting the company to change its advertising. No one gives a s--- in China, after all, - - You get what you pay for, and even if they lie to your face about every single detail of the trip, the Chinese don't give a f--- because if you don't pay a lot of money then why should you expect them to hold up their end of the bargain? You get what you pay for. Sigh I can't wait to leave this place and go to Japan/Singapore. Seriously, I have the absolute utmost respect for Japan/Korea/Taiwan/Singapore now that I've seen how s--- China is. They really did a bang-up job. O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)17:58:44 No.828571 >>828616 >>828632 >>828771 >>828862 >>828932 >>829005 >>829244 >>829465 >829662 >>829963 >>830084 >>832952 >>833254 File: 1456853668568.jpg (38 KB, 310x310) >>827861 >>828249 >>828273 >>828316 >>828338 >>828358 >>828384 >>828413 >>828439 >>828466 >>828504 >>828526 To sum all this up: Do not learn Mandarin. Learn something else that will enrich your life and take it in a direction that you want to go. I'm no going to lie, Mandarin HAS made me worth more money. Westerners who can competently speak Mandarin are in rather short supply and they are considered far more reliable than the Chinese for obvious reasons. However, you really want to think about where the language is going to take you, and the answer every single time will be mainland China. Because let's face it, no one else speaks Mandarin except for mainland China and MAYBE Singapore, but they speak English over there as well. If you learn Mandarin, you will be forced to deal with these people on a daily basis. Please trust me when I say that you really, really don't want to do that. In retrospect, I would much rather have learned Russian or Japanese. If I had a time machine, Í would go back to my first year of uni and f------ slap myself and force myself to sign up for Japanese courses instead. It's too late for me now, though. I speak Mandarin, and any company that figures that out will sure as hell be sending me to China so that such a skill doesn't go to waste. It's not f------ worth it guys, please please PLEASE learn something else, something that will make you happy. Don't just think in terms of salary, think in terms of quality of life and personal satisfaction. China will kill you inside, I absolutely guarantee it. I have yet to meet the man who comes to China, does business here, and comes out a happier and more balanced human being. It just doesn't happen. I know several people who have been working in China for 20 or 30+ years. All of them hate China and have a strong dislike for any work involving the Chinese. There is a reason China has a huge problem with students going overseas to the West and never coming home. Please don't learn Mandarin. O Anonymous 03/13/16(Sun)18:38:13 No.828742 ► »828806 >>828900 >>828698 People generally don't understand how differently China works from Western countries. They'll expect people to honor their agreements as they would in the West. Also, consider the following: Your average yearly wage in China is just under $10,000. Let's say you're a trading company and with the advent of the internet you can easily market your business and issue quotes. Let's say that you get only two suckers every year, and you f--- them out of $50,000 each (small amount, that's one container of moderately priced steel). Congratulations, you just made 10x the average annual salary with almost zero repercussions. You're now a rich man in China. You could do deals with these guys, but if you supply them the proper price for the steel, you might make MAYBE $1000-2000/container for stainless steel (and that's a pretty high margin for pricing without organising shipping, normal margins are 1-2% for that kind of job). If that guy is a small buyer and only buys two containers per year, you're going to have to wait decades to get the same amount of profit as you would just straight up f------ the guy. China is a conman's dream, lots of potential customers flooding in from all over the world looking for cheap steel that you can f--- with very little legal repercussions. O Anonymous 03/14/16(Mon)14:57:47 No.832896 ► >>832485 Well, the thing is that you can find good quality, it's just that big mills (the reliable ones) only produce in certain order lots, and most of the times those order lots are out of reach for smaller traders. For example, if you're trying to buy Bao stainless steel and you're an ordinary trader without guanxi, you have to buy a minimum of 200 tons at I think 20 tons per dimension, i.e. if you want 2mm*1000*2000 sheets, you have to buy 20 tons, you can't just buy 5 or 6. Problem is, that makes your order lot a minimum of $200,000, more likely in the $350,000 pushing $400,000+ depending on the grade, which is simply out of reach for smaller traders. Thus, most guys have to turn to Chinese traders who stock this stuff, and that's where you start running into the con men. >>832505 I'm not a bad businessman otherwise I wouldn't be in business still. Since those early encounters we've more than made up for our losses and turn quite a bit in revenue every quarter. The examples I gave were growing pains of doing business in China, and this was with having connections in China. Unfortunately, the connections I had were only somewhat connected to the steel business i.e. they were manufacturers who often bought steel, and while I avoided a lot of s--- on their advice, the steel industry is just filled with a LOT more cheats than one would expect especially when it comes to sheets and coils, which are easier to produce. I mean, the Russian guy who got cheated was a veteran in the steel industry, he's one of the largest traders in Russia and has been doing this for going on 25 years, his father was in the business as well after the USSR broke up. Russia also isn't exactly known for being an easy market, but even he still got f----- by the Chinese. In fact, every single one of our clients was defrauded at one point or another, most losing -$50,000, some losing more than $1m because people don't understand how different China is from Western countries.

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