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Save TF2 / Fix TF2 - TF2 steam threads expose not just how unorganized SaveTF2 is, but also how TF2 youtubers blatantly lie and propagandize information to get a stronger reaction and profit off of this movement

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Despite being 16+ years old, Team Fortress 2 is one of the most played and most beloved games of all time. However, despite its massive community and long- lasting impact on gaming, TF2 is in an unplayable state. Starting off strong with a bunch of blatant misinformation here. TF2 is NOT one of the most played games of all time (beloved is also questionable). Despite popular belief, TF2 did not peak at 200,000 players like people have led you to believe, the information giving by steamcharts is not accurate, as it counts online players and not players in a server. Lastly, the only long-lasting impact this game had on gaming is introducing micro-transactions, so you can thank TF2 for the reason you have to pay for skins in every new game that releases. The game is overrun with bots that instantly kill every player trying to play the game, spread hate speech, and use their power over the community for financial gain. We want to show Valve that there is no room in the community for the problematic individuals who host these bots, and This Petition is not a direct means of changing things, but a show of numbers for the number of people who want to take a stand against them. While it is true that the game is overrun with bots, they are easily avoidable. Players can also kick them out easily. I'd say the cheater problem is worse than the bot problem as cheaters are harder to detect than the blatant spinbot sniper spamming The petition is just an example of how disorganized, and how unplanned this new *SaveTF2" is. It is also an example of how people will do anything to take advantage of the clout that SaveTF2 provides. The fundamental flaw of this hash tag is the fact it was concieved By youtubers For youtubers. They will always try to deny this but it's true, it was just a big advertisement. Not to mention the fact that they continuously push it. They weaponize their audiences by saying "Valve will definitely do something good this time, just spread this word everywhere! Its totally not advertising its caring for the game!" Instead of actually doing something helpful like spreading the word of community servers and how they can be used to avoid the bots, they decide to do this, this awful movement and brainwash people into loving it. Hell people get so brainwashed they go out of their way to attack anyone who doesn't support it (but thats a topic for another thread). Going back to the petition, its funny how they spread misinformation and ignore literal solutions for the sake of convincing someone to sign it. Its sad to see the community just fall for the SaveTF2 trap expecting anything to change, and then they make a petition expecting it to be the thing that definitely saves them. Change.org petitions rarely do anything and this will never effect anything whatsoever. voice lines and a noisemaker. Not to mention that community servers exist, if you really find kicking bots out of a lobby THAT terrible you can join one of the countless servers that have their own anticheat in place. Also, financial gain? Bot hosters don't get money for hosting bots, I have no idea where this point even came from? The only Its also sad to see people drop actual f------ money on this petition. Even buying a people who get financial gain from bots are TF2 YOUTUBERS as they profited heavily tf2 hat is f------ something, this is nothing. You are just wasting money on a thing off of the original #saveTF2 movement, and are probably planning to again since you that will never happen. The most this petition will ever do is make change.org 100 suckers love throwing them money. more dollars. Valve must do something, because these bots shouldn't have a platform in a beloved and massive game like TF2. We're asking for an open dialogue between Valve and the community. We understand that Valve has other responsibilities, but they have a responsibility to take care of TF2. We ask for open communication from Valve and more clear indication of their plans for TF2. This was mostly sparked from the item servers, because god forbid you cant use your crutch weapons or show off your femboy uwu loadout for 2 days. If you buy an item or read the TOS, you would know that if you spend money, your items will disappear if valve feels like it because you technically dont own it. This was the thing that sparked a second save tf2, and all of the sudden the tweet they were happy Valve will not do anything, and that is a fact. This is a false hope operation and I don't with was all of the sudden the worst thing that ever happened. know how people refuse to see this? The first time didn't work, so why would it work again? Especially with even less people backing it this time... You start another #saveTF2 because the item servers are down for a couple of days? What a joke. God forbid you lose your 5,000 dollar inventories for 2 days guys. Maybe enjoy the game the way it was intended to be played without all of the crutch unlocks? Valve does not do open dialogue, and they never will. It is also not their responsibility to take care of TF2, as the game is not in an "unplayable" state. Unplayable means that you are not able to play the game. I can boot up TF2 right now and get in a match. So no, TF2 is not "unplayable". **please do not donate to promote this petition, simply share it with friends. This part is the funniest to me, because the guy who posted this explicitly said not to donate. (Because it won't do anything) yet like the hive-mind the TF2 community is. they throw away their money on a useless petition that won't do anything anyway. Congratulations guys, you threw money at a stranger that doesn't even know what to do with it. You sure showed those bot hosters! Together we can #saveTF2! TL:DR This movement is a joke, the petition is flawed. Accept the fact that another major update will never come. It pains me to see them just constantly try an already proven useless solution. maybe try something new. Try spreading the word of community servers, maybe to a massive charity donation event the size of the og savetf2 (instead of dropping money on a useless petition drop money on people who need it), or maybe SOMETHING else. But no, they are already tricked into using this, and I wont be surprised if in 2 years, this resurfaces. https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4334229775340726817/ (Thread was too long to screenshot so here's the link) Review Bombing TF2 Is a Bad Idea FixTF2 was a failed movement from the start, Valve did nothing today and will still do nothing later. By review bombing the game you're discouraging new players from playing this already dying game. It's like you guys WANT tf2 to die faster or something. Don't you all like this game? Don't be surprised if you see the player numbers drop even more than they have been. This movement has caused more damage to this game than the bot hosters. The author of this topic has marked a post as the answer to their question. Click here to jump to that post. Originally posted by Cat_Soldier: Idk why they think that just because helldivers 2 did it (which is a much more popular game and has more influence) can do it, so can tf2 (an older game with much less players and impact in the modern day) Originally posted by Gnome Truther: Originally posted by shiib: youtuber goes low on views → restarts savetf2 for attention → braindead sleeper agents awaken and fall for it → they rush onto all platforms to spam the # → they get disappointed once the # ends and it achieves nothing → they go back to standby until next savetf2 video → repeat Originally posted by PMC Portable Merc Collector: I genuinely think TF2 will become more akin to TFC, a abandoned but beloved classic with just community servers to play on. Not a bad thing either! People love to shout about how "TF2 DEAD GAME" but in reality, while the game is abandoned, the fanbase sure as hell isn't. Videos on TF2 gain multiple times the amount of viewers and attention as people playing TF2. The fanbase has turned multimedia, most of them don't play the game, instead it's shown through art, memes, mods for other games, in videos, etc. Hell the vast majority of TF2 doesn't even come from TF21 It comes from SFM and Gmodl We don't need to save TF2 again, it never needed saving, we just gotta make sure the game can still be played how we want it over on community servers. We just need to migratel Plus, when the community servers become the main option, the bots will just magically disappear as a problem. Community mods will do better then VAC ever will. Is it a foolproof solution? No, there'll be likely many hurdles, but I think imo it's the best option we got. Did I do it right?

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TL:DR: This movement (along with any movements like this in the future) will fail and always fail because the foundation these movements have set up is severely flawed. Do not support SaveTF2 or any similar movements. Do not support TF2 Youtubers who advertise these movements. Just don't trust anything relating to SaveTF2/FixTF2 at all.

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