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I'm voting for NON.

you know what i change my vote to
NON

NON as well

I too will change my vote to NON.

might as well change it to NON now

Wait why?
I mean, two characters mostly means two users. Why does it have to be literal, did crimea ever imply it was literal?
It would mostly make sense to find a user who work together well with each other.
If some of you don't know already Twisty and Roarshack are two good friends who would work together well, we should probably vote one off and keep an eye on the other.
Just sayin.

Just a reminder guys, please don't bold someone's name unless you're voting for them. It makes it easier to keep track of who people vote for when I can just scroll through and read the names in bold.

@NON

Huh…. didn't know that twisty and roarshack were good friends… however let's look at the two key words here. "Shady" and "Two". now Roarshack does look shady. but twisty looks like a penguin. penguins don't look shady.

Changing vote to Roarshack

well, at least we're at a tie again

@NON
It's kind of suspicious that you would try to shift the blame to me so suddenly when you're so close to death, seeing as I'm already one vote away from being offed. The "two shady individuals" part is really vauge, so seeing it as "two characters in an avatar" works better then "two users".

Wait, guys.

We're supposed to be keeping a tie. What is wrong with you people?

I blamed you way earlier, this isn't sudden at all.

it is at a tie, 6 people voted for NON and 4 people voted for me, and then stalker switched his vote to me, making it 5/5

Alright, the sudden jumping threw me off.

Screw it, I'm going with the NON Bandwagon.

Crow, we have a tie without your vote. I'm going to have to note your activity.

I just woke up recently so I didn't read everything on the thread. Gonna take out my vote too see how effective this tie idea is.

Just so you know, if you choose not to vote that will count towards inactivity. This rule is basically in place to ensure that everyone is contributing to the game in some way. So Crow, rather than withdraw your vote entirely, I would advise you simply vote for a user who does not currently have any votes against them.

That being said, the following users still have not voted:
Stalemate
CrowTheMagician
ShiJo
Twisty
Max Burg IV
justThisFool

Once again, if you go three day phases without voting you will be removed from the game due to inactivity.

I'm voting for ShiJo since no one is voting for them.

Also, RM. Chill out, it’s the first day and we don’t have much to go on, yet here you are calling people idiots and stupid. That’s suspicious as all fuck.

Perhaps I'm a little jumpy after being the first to die the last game hahaha.

Anyways, point remains that it requires half a braincell to know it isn't smart to see your vague deduction as solid evidence. So to see people jump gun like it makes perfect sense is suspicious in the slightest. Especially since the first kill is something I'd see you do, Bob.

I mean, let's look at Roarshack's posts. First he says:

knowing that there are two perpetrators doesn’t really help, and the game only just started, so we’ll probably just have to randomly accuse someone

Fair enough, it's the first day.

But then later:

We have nothing else to go on, so Bob’s theory sounds the most likely at the moment

He's contradicting himself.

First, I'm changing my vote to ShiJo as well based on Crow's post.

Now let's see what we have so far on votes (italic is old votes, bold is current ones):

- No Original Names: Roarshack
- Chowz: RandomMan → No Original Names
- Roarshack: RandomMan → No Original Names
- RandomMan: Medamonster → ShiJo
- Medamonster: RandomMan
- Mr Stalker: RandomMan → No Original Names → Roarshack
- KYFPMM: Roarshack
- Arch Dornan: Roarshack
- Bob: No Original Names
- Freelancer: Roarshack
- Laud Piestrings: No Original Names
- Hackenbacker: No Original Names
- Crow: No Original Names → ShiJo

Making the current statistics:
- Roarshack: 5 votes
- No Original Names: 5 votes
- ShiJo: 2 votes
- RandomMan: 1 vote

For the vote tie idea you can also split votes between 3 people. Which is why I switched to ShiJo. If we can have the remaining voters perhaps up the ShiJo votes to 5, we'll have a nice division. But I take a tie between 2 as acceptable too. Let's just not have the current people who already voted on either NON or Roarshack to still switch votes as that'll only become confusing in order to make a tie.

Absent voters:

- Stalemate
- ShiJo
- Twisty
- Max Burg IV
- justThisFool

Now let's look at the vote and vote changes:

- Chowz, Roarshack and Mr Stalker all voted for me based on what Bob said, and then suddenly changed to NON after Bob voted on NON.

Why is this suspicious:
- It wasn't necessary to switch votes in order to achieve a vote tie.
- The votes were getting well divided between me and Roarshack (4 vs. 3) prior to Bob's vote. Switching the votes on me to NON wasn't necessary.
- At the time Bob voted for NON, there weren't any previous votes for NON.
- If Bob voted for Roarshack, we would have a 4 vs. 4 vote tie.
- Was Bob perhaps intentionally avoiding the vote tie idea at that time?

Was I suddenly getting too valuable to be killed off, or are we dealing with bad mafia communication here?

If this is the mafia jumping gun, then NON should have no fears. But the outcome will tell us more.

DAY 1: JUNE 31, 1934

After the first murder the citizens begin to throw around accusations. At first the mob goes after Rorry Shackman and Randy Manson, accusing both men almost equally. It seems that they won't come to a decision any time soon until Robert Holson (his friends call him Bob) steps in and directs the accusations towards Nelson Oliver Nesbit (or N.O.N for short). Many of the citizens follow suite with Bob and vote against N.O.N. in agreement. A few citizens vote for others but it now seems to be even between Rorry and N.O.N. The men decide that they will settle the tie with a good old fashioned duel. The two men clash swords for what seems like hours, both appearing to be evenly matched. Eventually however N.O.N slips up and Rorry sees his opportunity. He lunges at his opponent and plunges his sword deep into his chest. The crowd is totally silent as N.O.N falls to the ground, a pool of blood slowly growing around him. Without saying a word, Rorry bends over and searches the dead man's coat. He finds a silenced pistol, a black mask, and leather gloves. It would appear that N.O.N had been a spy. Everyone is thankful that he is dead but it seems to have turned out that way only by the luck of the draw.

NIGHT PHASE: 24 Hours Remain

During the night phases you guys are free to discuss theories in the thread and send PMs to each other but no voting will occur until the next day phase. Special roles, be sure to send in your PMs for you actions this phase.

Alright, so. We got the spy. That's pretty good.

RM, like I said, I thought your avatar had two characters instead of one repeated three times. Sorry.

I decided to follow my gut with the "two individuals" thing. I figured people would pick up the slack and vote a tie either way. Didn't really expect anyone to jump ship with me.

Nice nice. Not the outcome I expected, but I'm glad with the outcome either way.

We lost our detective right away, and they lost their spy right away. The ranks are equal again.

Alright, time to analyze the outcome:

- First, we have 4 mafia members, all still alive. Only the votes of these 4 people do not count. The Snitch and the Spy do count. (Crimeariver, can you confirm me on this just in case?)
- Second we know there was a tie while there was an equal amount of votes between both players, meaning that the mafia split their votes.

So now we'll group the votes. We'll go with NON, Roarshack, and other. I'm lumping the remaining voters together with the absent voters, as their votes didn't influence the outcome.

Team NON:
- Chowz
- Roarshack
- Bob
- Laud Piestrings
- Hackenbacker

Team Roarshack:
- No Original Names (Now Dead: The Spy)
- Mr Stalker
- KYFPMM
- Arch Dornan
- Freelancer

Team Other:
- RandomMan (Voted)
- Medamonster (Voted)
- Crow (Voted)
- Stalemate
- ShiJo
- Twisty
- Max Burg IV
- justThisFool

With 4 mafia members, this gives us 3 scenarios:

• Scenario 1: No Mafia voted
  • This one would mean that all the mafia are within Team Other, and everyone who voted is innocent by default.
• Scenario 2: 2 Mafia voted
  • This scenario would mean that there is 1 mafia in Team NON, 1 in Team Roarshack, and 2 in Team Other.
• Scenario 3: All Mafia voted
  • This scenario would mean that there are 2 mafia in Team NON, 2 mafia in Team Roarshack, and all members of Team Other are innocent by default.

Remember though that with each scenario there are still special roles hidden amongst the teams whose votes are counted. Also remember that Roarshack isn't innocent now.

It's kinda unfortunate now that we didn't get a third voter on ShiJo because the resulted tie then would've told us A LOT about the scenario.

Scenario 1 is highly unlikely, because othewise the mafia wouldn't have killed anyone in the first night. But it has to be taken into consideration.

Scenario 3 seems likely, because mafia players tend to be more active than non-mafia because of their role. But at the same time you always have the underdog mafia who don't post too much to avoid suspicion.

Scenario 2 however can match the "Two Shady Individuals" hint we were given, implying that only 2 mafia members have shown activity so far. And it matches the mafia underdog way of playing. We'll just have to see who suddenly get active again in the following days.

Once mafia members eventually get killed, we can see which of these scenarios is the real one, and close in on the remaining mafia that way while proving the innocense of others.

@RM
"Remember that Roarshack isn't innocent now"
How? It's not like the duel was rigged, it was the luck of the draw, and it's not like I would purposefully kill off my own teammate just to fool a few people.

Fair enough, "by the luck of the draw" does imply that we got away luckily this time.

But this is still mafia, so nobody is innocent until proven so.

@RandomMan

You are correct, the votes for the Snitch and the Spy are counted.

What your saying sounds a bit shady depending on how you look at it. At a glance it seems like you would be trying to use reverse phycology on us, but it was likely that the Mafia didn't know who their spy was, considering that we don't know who's our Fuzz, Doctor, or special roles like that. Because of that I see to possible things for you.

1. You are a Mafia and your killed NON, your spy by mistake.
2. You are innocent and got lucky and killed their spy

Both of which are just as possible as the other. Considering that we lost our investigator and they lost their spy. things are going to be tough for both sides of this conflict.

@Freelancer
I was mafia in the last game, and the mafia members get messaged who the spy/infiltrator is. I wouldn't kill off my most important member just to throw off 4 or so people.

@Freelancer

The mafia was aware that NON was the spy.

If they were aware they were a spy, then how come they jumped on the bandwagon and didn't try to save him? They could easily mask themselves so they give us false resons not to vote for him. I think they did vote, but they didn't vote for NON.

Or the laundry maid stuck her head in the dryer too long and has delusional thoughts again, which ever works.

Maybe the Mafia people were the ones who did not vote

Various reasons:

- Votes were clogging up on NON a bit too quickly to get mafia votes into the mix to save NON. They were simply too slow.
- A clear kill for NON without a tie could give away too much info about the identities of the remaining mafia members. With the detective gone, they were willing to sacrifice NON to avoid suspicion.
- Even more sudden vote switches messing up the tie plan could generate suspicion towards them.
- They placed their money on the tie, and had their fingers crossed the outcome would save NON.

Yeah, maybe they took the leap of faith, hoping about winning the tie. Or maybe, some Mafia member voted for roarshack and some of them voted on other people to avoid suspicions. But yeah, I can agree with that.

Oh man, I like that theory. We had five people not vote.

Yes it's a good theory @chowzburgerz and they didn't comment during the day phase if I am not mistaken

Why would the mafia (5 people) vote between two of their OWN members. That makes no sense. If it's a tie, they get found out, if one vote wins, no matter which one it is, they kill off their own members. They could've switched all their votes to someone who didn't vote or just kept all the votes to RM (assuming he wasn't a mafioso).

@KYFPMM
I wouldn't be surprised if one of the mafia members kept silent during the day.

Alright guys, when the next voting phase comes, we will vote off one of the five people that did not vote unless the mafia kills off one of the five people in the next phase.

Doesn't have to mean that they are inactive though. There was a kill during the first night phase, meaning that the mafia members did send in their PMs.

All 4 mafia members not voting, although possible, is unlikely as they wish to avoid being kicked through inactivity. Pay attention to currently non-voters who will suddenly vote in the following two day phases.

@RandomMan that means that they cannot pull that off three times in a row

Yes. But considering this is still the first day phase, we cannot make good deductions yet on how many mafia actually voted. Once a mafia member is revealed, this'll become much easier.

However, currently we have Chowz and KYFPMM (who respectively voted NON and Roarshack) suddenly very much liking the idea of no mafia having voted.

Are they perhaps trying to divide the attention away from themselves as voters (and perhaps their fellow mafia)?

oh yes i forgot i was suppose to vote yesterday, and comment

i played so much fallout i went numb and forgot time was a thing

@Twisty

Night 2: July 1, 1934

After the climactic duel the day before, everyone was in need of some sleep. Everyone dispersed to their homes and were sure to lock their doors and shut their window before going to bed. Everyone that is, except for Rorry Shackman and his partner, two members of the Fuzz. Instead of going home and resting like two sensible individuals, they decide to investigate the scene of the first crime where their friend and mentor Major Roy Bummers was murdered in cold blood. At the scene of the crime they discover a set of bloody footprints and follow them back to an abandoned warehouse. It is clear that the mafia was using this as their temporary hideout just hours ago. They split up to search for clues about who may have committed the crime. After finding what appears to be a piece of evidence, Rorry decides to investigate further and comes upon a locked door. Believing there to be more clues behind this door he breaks it down, but he could never have anticipated that the mafia had rigged the room with explosives before they left. Although his partner was far enough away from the explosion to escape with just a few cuts and bruises, Rorry Shackman is not so fortunate. Rorry Shackman, a beloved member of the local Fuzz, has been killed.

DAY PHASE: 24 Hours Remain

Welp, there goes that other guy who was tied with NON. So, as I said before, I think we should take a look at the five people who did not vote yesterday with the exception of Twisty.

LAST WILL

That morning, Rorry's last words are posted in the news paper obituary:

"The clues I’ve found while searching the warehouse are:
-One of the mafia members are from [REDACTED] and have a poster of a B-52 Bomber
-One of members were lazy and went goofing off rather then helping his fellow mafia members"

Well, if Eurofighter Typhoon was in this game, then I would easily vote him off, but guess what he's not. As for the second clue, Twisty was lazy and decided to play Fallout instead of participating in this game. So, I think we should now go after Twisty.

@chowzburgerz why not Twisty?
Edit :chowzburgerz said on his previous post that Twisty was not under suspiction but posted before me. So my vote goes to Twisty

there is still other people that didint even bothered showing up to the thread, which is to me a far bigger offense of laziness than the one i commited. why so eager to get me first

Chowz and KYFPMM are still acting suspicious to me. Both are a bit too eager to make a scenario in which no mafia voted the actual case, suspiciously dividing attention away from themselves. And both follow up on each other's posts like it makes perfect sense.

To keep up with the idea of vote ties, I would personally suggest to make either Chowz or KYFPMM one of the people we place our votes on in a vote tie. Preferably both, but I'll take one for granted. The hint makes Twisty suspicious enough.

Voting Chowz.

Cause you willing admitted that you were off playing Fallout instead of being here. Granted I may soon follow your example cause I just made a new RP on another site.

I got rid of my suspicions with you RM when I changed my vote from you to NON. Okay guys, I will cast my vote for Twisty.