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KYM Pony General V: We Just Don't Know What Went Wrong

Last posted Jul 01, 2012 at 04:43PM EDT. Added Feb 19, 2012 at 11:27PM EST
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@MontyPython

The new bronies: Male fans of the Care Bears in the age group of 9-14, instead of 14-85 with the old bronies.

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 10:13PM EDT

@Monty's topic
This is the Cartoon Brew article Monty is referring to.

Also, this is the sneak-peek for the show:


1) They are most definitely leaching off the success of MLP, but understandably so. From what I hear, the Hub isn't doing too well, and I can understand why. Other than MLP (and maybe Dan VS, from what I hear), the other shows, lets just say, are less than satisfactory. When I used to watch the new episodes live on Bronystate, we would first have to watch through the end of Strawberry Shortcake. And it was exactly what'd you'd expect from a show made for little girls, it had corny voice acting, horrible animation, etc. This may seem like an incredibly desperate move by Hasbro, but it is desperate times for the Hub.

2) I don't think so. The main reason why MLP gained such following by males is because Lauren Faust carefully designed it to be gender neutral, much like her other cartoons. After watching the sneak peek, it doesn't look like the show is heading in the same direction. Faust was an expert at doing this, simply mimicing MLP isn't going to do it.

Also, from reading the comments in that video, a lot of people say no.

3) I highly, highly doubt it. Meaning: Ha ha, no. My main reasons for liking MLP is the animation (which Carebears may or may not have, you can't tell at this point) and more importantly, the characters. I know it sounds typical, but I am a sucker for strong, well-built protagonists. And from the sneak peek, it does not look like that.

Then again, I didn't expect to like MLP so much either.


I wonder how the author of the original Cartoon Brew Hub article feels about starting the MLP craze.


Obligatory image I attach to all my big posts:

Please try to avert your eyes from RD's posterior. Thank you.

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 10:18PM EDT

@Care bears
Yeah, thats gonna be a no. Half of the reason I like MLP is how cute the characters look and the animation in general, something that screenshot is lacking. They can't expect all of their girly kid shows to be hits with adult males.
EDIT:wha….? Who down voted me?

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 10:14PM EDT

The care bears have marks much like the other ponies…
They will be a great additions to Pinkie's new "dresses" she has planned to make!
But I must monitor them afar and see what strategy is best to have them to be captured. Yes!
And remember!:

You don't want to anger big sister either…

If you value your life span.

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 10:24PM EDT

You know, if enough of us make a big enough negative reaction towards a care bear fandom. 4chan might just be spiteful enough to make one purely to piss everybody off

We'll have belly dudes in no time spamming care bear quotes and using care bear avatars. Care bear image macro's will flood /co/. Bronies will declare war. Moot bans everybody and then makes a /carebear/ board one year later.

I wish I was joking.

Regarding the topic of Care Bears and that guy who wrote the article;

But really, I don't think the Care Bears will become as popular as MLP. If some freak miracle happens and it does become as popular as MLP, I won't be against it. I was never an anti-anything. I accepted people for who they are, and what they liked. I just wish that some people would do the same for us.

On an unrelated note, have some epic beats made by the General himself!

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 11:05PM EDT

So, I'd like to start a new topic.

As much as we want it to last forever, all good things must come to an end, and that includes FiM. Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't have to end with a bang. Which brings me to my point:

Eventually, the show will have to make a transition to film.

Right now, all Hasbro wants from Studio B is Slice of Life. That's all well and good, but we've all seen what the staff can do with an extended story in the space of an hour. What if we gave them two? Eventually, Hasbro will have to catch on to the veritable gold mine that is the brony phenomenon, and they'll want to capitalize on it by giving them what they want. The best way they can do this is with a movie. A movie that bronies will see in droves on opening night, and then go back to again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again until it's the most successful animated film of all time. And then it'll be put out on DVD, where it'll sell out in stores faster than Diablo III did earlier today. And rinse. And repeat, until everyone's sick of it, which will never happen.

Six seasons and a movie, guys. That's what needs to happen.

And that's how Equestria was made.

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 10:39PM EDT

Muffins Wrote:

From what I hear, the Hub isn’t doing too well, and I can understand why. Other than MLP (and maybe Dan VS, from what I hear), the other shows, lets just say, are less than satisfactory. When I used to watch the new episodes live on Bronystate, we would first have to watch through the end of Strawberry Shortcake. And it was exactly what’d you’d expect from a show made for little girls, it had corny voice acting, horrible animation, etc. This may seem like an incredibly desperate move by Hasbro, but it is desperate times for the Hub.

NOPE

If you read the Hasbro financial reports, the Hub is doing well. Transformers Prime, My Little Pony, Dan Vs. and Aquabats are the standout performers.

Is The HUB profitable? No actually it is not. But that's a business strategy, to make money you got to spend money. One of the big reasons most new business ventures fail is that people expect to make money straight away, which isn't the case. You have to factor in that you're muscling market share from other people and that takes time and money.

A good example is Microsoft's Xbox, It did not start making money until the Xbox 360 came out. That's right, Microsoft lost money on the Original Xbox. It's just the way business goes.

This also goes double for TV Networks: You need ads to make money, but first you need ratings to get ads. So you're gonna lose money till advertisers see value in your ad slots. And considering that the Hub is owned by Hasbro, Mattel and LEGO are not advertising on that channel.

Off topic
For anyone who's interested…

LUNAR DAWN PART 1 IS UP!
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/26328/Lunar-Dawn

…unfortunately, after the fact, pt. 1 will receive an update either later tonight or tomorrow, as I left out a few sections at the end. I'm scrambling to restore and write them…
However, you can see right now if you wish

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 10:56PM EDT

Fridge wrote:

So, I'd like to start a new topic.

As much as we want it to last forever, all good things must come to an end, and that includes FiM. Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't have to end with a bang. Which brings me to my point:

Eventually, the show will have to make a transition to film.

Right now, all Hasbro wants from Studio B is Slice of Life. That's all well and good, but we've all seen what the staff can do with an extended story in the space of an hour. What if we gave them two? Eventually, Hasbro will have to catch on to the veritable gold mine that is the brony phenomenon, and they'll want to capitalize on it by giving them what they want. The best way they can do this is with a movie. A movie that bronies will see in droves on opening night, and then go back to again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again until it's the most successful animated film of all time. And then it'll be put out on DVD, where it'll sell out in stores faster than Diablo III did earlier today. And rinse. And repeat, until everyone's sick of it, which will never happen.

Six seasons and a movie, guys. That's what needs to happen.

And that's how Equestria was made.


yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
I know one thing about a project like this, it would be the prefect way (and possibly, only perfect option) for MLP to end. I would be willing to fund my life saving to a legit movie. Maybe it could be one of those "one night only things" in theaters to lessen the burden of production. I see them having trouble making this, but it's nothing we can't over come. Someone needs to tell one of the staff members how incredible this idea is, when they get the chance.

(Six seasons and a movie, i feel your community swag)

@carebears
no.

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 11:00PM EDT

@Fridge:

We're assuming, of course, that Hasbro will just cut it when FiM inevitably does end.

Who's to say there's not gonna be a Gen 4.5, that's extremely similar to FiM, just in a different town with different characters and plot points.

Might just be shooting in the dark, but that's what everything is in this fandom (usually).

So, sure, go ahead and make a movie (and make it The Mare in the Moon story). It'll sell well, truly, and it will bring profits. Profits that can be spent setting up another FiM.

Back Later wrote:

@Trash Boat
Hmm….probably not the best idea. She tends to be timid and afraid, and will probably not like how close you're getting. And if she doesn't like something, she snaps the neck of it. Like that bear. You don't want to end up like the bear.




WE DID NOTHING. NOTHING.
Now, please give me the tapes or I will not hesitate to destroy you along with them……

Seems you were a little too defending in your denial, your highness.
Cheating on your husband?


Don't worry, I had the boys at the Imperial Surveilance Service destroy most of the footage
(logs onto recordings)
See! Nothing…
(notices an undeleted file)
hmmmm….. one got missed
(out of curiosity, views file)
Ooohh…that's interesting…

Oh, I know I'm one button away from deleteing this forever, but the temptations are rising…

Last edited May 15, 2012 at 11:51PM EDT

Fridge wrote:

So, I'd like to start a new topic.

As much as we want it to last forever, all good things must come to an end, and that includes FiM. Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't have to end with a bang. Which brings me to my point:

Eventually, the show will have to make a transition to film.

Right now, all Hasbro wants from Studio B is Slice of Life. That's all well and good, but we've all seen what the staff can do with an extended story in the space of an hour. What if we gave them two? Eventually, Hasbro will have to catch on to the veritable gold mine that is the brony phenomenon, and they'll want to capitalize on it by giving them what they want. The best way they can do this is with a movie. A movie that bronies will see in droves on opening night, and then go back to again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again until it's the most successful animated film of all time. And then it'll be put out on DVD, where it'll sell out in stores faster than Diablo III did earlier today. And rinse. And repeat, until everyone's sick of it, which will never happen.

Six seasons and a movie, guys. That's what needs to happen.

And that's how Equestria was made.

Eventually, Hasbro will have to catch on to the veritable gold mine that is the brony phenomenon, and they’ll want to capitalize on it by giving them what they want.

Hasbro will have to catch on to the veritable gold mine that is the brony phenomenon,

gold mine that is the brony phenomenon

Hasbro won't make much money off of bronies and they know it. Unfortunately (for my frustration, anyway), bronies don't know that. We don't even buy music or movies. The users on EqD don't buy official merchandise and they're proba…
 

 
I'm pretty sure I could explain it perfectly, and it wouldn't stick anyway. Much like Unknown and his propensity for bolding everything that isn't an image and the users who forget about that 3 image limit for posts (or worse, just don't care about it.)


Sure! Bronies are a profitable group of people!

A full-length feature would do well in the theaters!

I mean, look at how well the self-promoting commercial and documentary are doing! We're ready to spend!

Well…sure, we still see Hasbro as a large corporation; something that people of the 'Net don't worry themselves with on the whole, and sure, charity and self-promotion are entirely different from merchandise which we haven't bought much of over the course of our existence as a fandom, and that's Hasbro's main reason for airing the show in the first place, but that doesn't mean that can't change for a movie!

<img src="http://img.ponibooru.org/images/4da0411979b2fbc5675133f35a9308a5/159443%20-%20artist%3Ajoemasterpencil%20impliedfacehoof%20rarity%20vector.png" height="500" / >


You know what? I'm going to be cool and just pretend that Fridge was exaggerating.

Good one, dude. You had me going for a minute there.

I gotta say that I agree with verbose on that. I've always said have minuscule we are compared to the intended audience, so obvoiusly I would take his side. Really, hasbro can only afford to make nods to us bronies, nothing more. That is, unless you guys are willing to pledge to spend $50 a month on pony merchandise, as well as all the other bronies.

I gotta say that I agree with verbose on that. I've always said have minuscule we are compared to the intended audience, so obvoiusly I would take his side. Really, hasbro can only afford to make nods to us bronies, nothing more. That is, unless you guys are willing to pledge to spend $50 a month on pony merchandise, as well as all the other bronies.

Fridge, I fucking love the Powerpuff Girls but would never be caught dead going to the Powerpuff Girls movie. And that was back in 2002.

Even Girlier Franchise+ I'm nearly fucking 25 years old= Fuck no.

I might buy a DVD but other than that, no way would I go to a theater and I think a majority of bronies feel the same way.


Unlike Verbose, I don't think a full length feature would be too unprobable but it really needs a higher viewer ship. Right now, the season finale pulled in nearly half a million viewers. The show needs at least a consistent viewer ship of 1 million to begun contemplation of a feature length movie.

^ I see that double post Dac.

@MLP Movie

For the sake of discussion, I'd like to point out that it's not just bronies' own money that comes Hasbro's way. Thanks to fairly massive size of the brony fanbase, they've effectively made MLP Hasbro's most advertised toy line by far, currently. Can you really deny the fact that MLP is more recognizable thanks to its omnipresence in popular culture? This might be just me, but the Carebear thing could reasonably be taken as a sign that Hasbro does indeed like having so much free advertising. I personally think a direct-to-DVD (or a even just a network special) movie would be more likely and appropriate than a fullblown theatrical release, but I'll take what I can get.

One last thing…


IRON WILL ASSERTS THIS PAGE TO BE HIS!!! (And Fluttershy of course, because yay.)

Last edited May 16, 2012 at 03:47AM EDT

@Dan

It's My Little Pony. You don't get much bigger than My Little Pony in terms of recognizable girl toys. There's Barbie, and then I think there's My Little Pony. With or without bronies.

Remember. It's big on the Internet. The geeky part of the Internet. Not necessarily Facebook or Twitter.

And also remember that Internet culture is small. It leaks at times, but in comparison to the rest of the world, people may know about those cats with captions, but that's about it.

So it's big…in a small pond…in the midst of a much larger land. The phenomenon is impressive, but until I see numbers consistently higher than 7-digits (viewership and views on YouTube don't count,) I'd think we're about 200,000 deep at most, and a lot of that is spread out in Europe and other countries outside of Canada and the US.

Sorry to go off-topic but this is the best Minecraft MLP:FiM pixel art I've seen so far.

@MLP movie
If it happens, I will be very curious to see how well it turns out. Studio-B people proved they can make good use of time in Season 2 finale.

Last edited May 16, 2012 at 03:55AM EDT

Verbose wrote:

@Dan

It's My Little Pony. You don't get much bigger than My Little Pony in terms of recognizable girl toys. There's Barbie, and then I think there's My Little Pony. With or without bronies.

Remember. It's big on the Internet. The geeky part of the Internet. Not necessarily Facebook or Twitter.

And also remember that Internet culture is small. It leaks at times, but in comparison to the rest of the world, people may know about those cats with captions, but that's about it.

So it's big…in a small pond…in the midst of a much larger land. The phenomenon is impressive, but until I see numbers consistently higher than 7-digits (viewership and views on YouTube don't count,) I'd think we're about 200,000 deep at most, and a lot of that is spread out in Europe and other countries outside of Canada and the US.

All true of course, but it is interesting to note that more and more people I know IRL are becoming familiar with the term "brony." Now like you said, MLP was already a household name (albeit one with a slight stigma) before we came along, there's no doubt about that. Still, our peculiar internet hype has got to be worth something, however small. After all, the VAs, the HUB, and even Hasbro, by way of the specialized toys like DJ Pon3, seem to be showing their support for that hype.


Now for more Iron Will and Fluttershy.

Last edited May 16, 2012 at 04:12AM EDT

Verbose wrote:

@Dan

It's My Little Pony. You don't get much bigger than My Little Pony in terms of recognizable girl toys. There's Barbie, and then I think there's My Little Pony. With or without bronies.

Remember. It's big on the Internet. The geeky part of the Internet. Not necessarily Facebook or Twitter.

And also remember that Internet culture is small. It leaks at times, but in comparison to the rest of the world, people may know about those cats with captions, but that's about it.

So it's big…in a small pond…in the midst of a much larger land. The phenomenon is impressive, but until I see numbers consistently higher than 7-digits (viewership and views on YouTube don't count,) I'd think we're about 200,000 deep at most, and a lot of that is spread out in Europe and other countries outside of Canada and the US.

Yes, MLP was a recognizable toy line, but only recently did it achieve the same recognition as it did in the 80s as TV Show as well.

I wasn't sure where to post this, considering the last time I made a pony related thread rather than posting it here, I made some people mad.

I gotta say that I'm not too sure what to think of ponies anymore. I've never been that big of a fan of MLP, having only watched the first season, but its slowly becoming something I'm, personally, a little curious about.

For one thing, its the behavior of some of the bronies I have met. There have been some that have been pretty cool, and are nice to talk with, but most of the time its kind of like they only want to talk about ponies, and everything they do involves ponies, these kind of bronies I generally try to ignore, and it makes me sad because I bet these people are normally very nice people to have different kinds of conversations with.

Another thing that really bothers me is the reactions of bronies to Rule 34. At first it was what one would expect, they'd ignore it, report it, or just use the love and tolerance bit. But it seems, recently, that there have been a few exceptions. I notice bronies becoming more tolerant or if, commenting on it, or even liking it. I understand that this is the internet and such, but it is, nonetheless, really odd to me.

I also wonder about crossovers, or "ponification." I think it is neat that there are artists out there who draw and write things to go with each other, its neat, but I can't help but feel like its going too far with some things, I can't really give examples, but it just seems like it is…

Now these are all just my opinions, I still think MLP is a little good, but I do find these things weird. I do have a feeling that this will come across as hate, but its not, its just my opinion, not things I want and expect other people to like or dislike, or change accordingly because of my opinion, its just to start a conversation.

@Katia

Hi there, and welcome.

I really need to get some sleep, so I won't answer all your musings, but as for the subject of bronies talking only about pony stuff, I don't think that's really as severe as it may seem. I frequently converse with other bronies about literally anything and everything that comes to mind, with a higher percentage of those topics being ponies because that is the context by which we met. Anyway, I'm glad you're exploring your curiosity in an open-minded way, and I'm sure you'll find that you'll get very reasonable responses to your wonderings.

Millennial Dan wrote:

@Katia

Hi there, and welcome.

I really need to get some sleep, so I won't answer all your musings, but as for the subject of bronies talking only about pony stuff, I don't think that's really as severe as it may seem. I frequently converse with other bronies about literally anything and everything that comes to mind, with a higher percentage of those topics being ponies because that is the context by which we met. Anyway, I'm glad you're exploring your curiosity in an open-minded way, and I'm sure you'll find that you'll get very reasonable responses to your wonderings.

I'm sure that there are bronies that are more open to conversations other than things involving ponies, and I've said that I have even met some, but a majority of the one I have met have hardly ever wanted to talk about things other than mlp.

Again, these are just opinions, and I don't hate anything.

Verbose wrote:

@Dan

It's My Little Pony. You don't get much bigger than My Little Pony in terms of recognizable girl toys. There's Barbie, and then I think there's My Little Pony. With or without bronies.

Remember. It's big on the Internet. The geeky part of the Internet. Not necessarily Facebook or Twitter.

And also remember that Internet culture is small. It leaks at times, but in comparison to the rest of the world, people may know about those cats with captions, but that's about it.

So it's big…in a small pond…in the midst of a much larger land. The phenomenon is impressive, but until I see numbers consistently higher than 7-digits (viewership and views on YouTube don't count,) I'd think we're about 200,000 deep at most, and a lot of that is spread out in Europe and other countries outside of Canada and the US.

What do you mean by 200,000 deep? Do you mean there are about 200,000 bronies in total?

I think there are more, considering how often ponies show up on the internet, I'd say at least 10 million spread around the world.

Say, a popular YouTuber might have 200,000 fans, but you don't see people write about him as often as ponies, therefore there gotta be more bronies than 200,000.

@Katia

I wasn’t sure where to post this,

Well this is the right place.

There have been some that have been pretty cool, and are nice to talk with, but most of the time its kind of like they only want to talk about ponies, and everything they do involves ponies, these kind of bronies I generally try to ignore, and it makes me sad because I bet these people are normally very nice people to have different kinds of conversations with.

Where are you meeting these Bronies? If you are trying to converse with them in Pony forums and imageboards then it is very likely that all discussion will center around ponies…since that's the context of the website you are on.

But you should be able to talk to Bronies about anything else once you go outside the context of pony discussion boards. There's plenty of Bronies here that I can talk to about any other subject, be it music, TF2 or even business. But all of that that tends to happen outside of this thread, such as in the JFF forum or across Steam chat or Gmail chat.

EG: Me and opspe talk about music far more than Ponies but we take that discussion elsewhere, not here. If we talk here then chances are we will just keep going about ponies.

Another thing that really bothers me is the reactions of bronies to Rule 34. At first it was what one would expect, they’d ignore it, report it, or just use the love and tolerance bit. But it seems, recently, that there have been a few exceptions. I notice bronies becoming more tolerant or if, commenting on it, or even liking it. I understand that this is the internet and such, but it is, nonetheless, really odd to me.

At least around here (in the MLP image gallery, that is), it doesn't seem quite like that. Posting R34 will invoke extremely negative reactions and volatile hysteria. Persistent R34 posting will result in a ban. (On the other hand; you can post sexy stuff here as long as it isn't porn and it tends to be well received but I digress)

But if you are talking about other places then I get what you mean. Other image boards are becoming more accepting of R34, or at the very least calming down about it. But I take it as a sign that people are just getting used to it now.

I don't think more people are coming to like it, rather they are just learning not to make a gigantic fuss over it. After all, porn of all things is natural to the internet. It's one of those things you have to learn to deal with.

And of course with the protesters going quiet, the people who actually do like that stuff will become more apparent

I also wonder about crossovers, or “ponification.” I think it is neat that there are artists out there who draw and write things to go with each other, its neat, but I can’t help but feel like its going too far with some things, I can’t really give examples, but it just seems like it is…

This is a curious point of view. How far is too far? I'd say that "going to far" might be if people start demanding things be ponified when they don't need to be. I've seen a few rare cases of that happening but such behavior is quickly shunned.

But if people are just drawing what they feel like in their own time, I don't see where one can cross a line just by drawing a pony out of something. It's just art.

That can go on for as long as people are amused by it. Those who have grown tired of it can just ignore it.

Now these are all just my opinions, I still think MLP is a little good, but I do find these things weird.

They are valid opinions and they don't come off as hate at all. So don't worry about that.

Although it sounds like you are talking about the Brony fandom rather than MLP. There's nothing strange going on with MLP but the fandom is definitely weird by nature

Last edited May 16, 2012 at 05:46AM EDT

I Post Stuff wrote:

What do you mean by 200,000 deep? Do you mean there are about 200,000 bronies in total?
I think there are more, considering how often ponies show up on the internet, I’d say at least 10 million spread around the world.

10 million is a very, very big number. If there were 10 million bronies in the world, we'd be getting a lot more media coverage than we are currently. People would be going crazy trying to figure out the phenomenon. To put it in perspective, there are estimated to be only around 13 million Jews in the world. You're saying there are roughly as many bronies in the world as there are Jews, and that really doesn't seem likely to me. I'd guess that 200,000 is an overestimate, and that there are probably much less than that.


Katia wrote:

For one thing, its the behavior of some of the bronies I have met. There have been some that have been pretty cool, and are nice to talk with, but most of the time its kind of like they only want to talk about ponies, and everything they do involves ponies, these kind of bronies I generally try to ignore, and it makes me sad because I bet these people are normally very nice people to have different kinds of conversations with.

Obsession levels vary a lot in this fandom. Some people dedicate themselves to the show a little too much, and they're the ones that will refuse to talk about anything else. Personally, I wouldn't want to talk to those kinds of people either. Most regular posters here don't seem to be like that though. We have an MSN group where a few a us regularly chat about whatever comes to mind. We do talk ponies from time to time, but not as often as you'd think. We usually just end up talking about gaming or music, but the topic can vary to just about anything you can think of. I'm guessing you've just been talking to the wrong bronies, since the people here seem to have fairly diverse backgrounds and interests.

Another thing that really bothers me is the reactions of bronies to Rule 34. At first it was what one would expect, they’d ignore it, report it, or just use the love and tolerance bit. But it seems, recently, that there have been a few exceptions. I notice bronies becoming more tolerant or if, commenting on it, or even liking it. I understand that this is the internet and such, but it is, nonetheless, really odd to me.

The response to R34 also varies a lot. We have zero tolerance on this thread and in our image galleries, but that's only because KYM has rules against it. Though I won't name anybody, I know of a few people here who actively seek it out because they're into that sort of thing. Most of us are indifferent though, and only a few are completely intolerant of it.

If you go to Equestria Daily however, you'll see a different response. Some people there will rage at even borderline cases of R34, and supporters of it are shunned by the rest of the community. They also have no tolerance when it comes to things like intimate shipping pics or fanfics with adult themes.

Go to Ponibooru, and you'll likely get a different response again. They're much more tolerant of things like R34 and gore, and some refer to EqD users as 'moralfags' as they get so annoyed at their constant white-knighting.

Whether or not we're generally becoming more tolerant of the darker sides of this fandom is really hard to say. If you're a little creeped out by things like R34, it's probably best that you stick with safer sites like this or EqD. The amount of people who enjoy R34 are definitely a minority overall, so it's not something to get too worried about.

I also wonder about crossovers, or “ponification.” I think it is neat that there are artists out there who draw and write things to go with each other, its neat, but I can’t help but feel like its going too far with some things, I can’t really give examples, but it just seems like it is…

I don't really see how it can go too far. It's not like it has a damaging influence on anything. A lot of people complain when ponies are crossed over with things like violent video games, but I'd say that's taking violence and gore too far rather than taking crossovers too far.

Now these are all just my opinions, I still think MLP is a little good, but I do find these things weird. I do have a feeling that this will come across as hate, but its not, its just my opinion, not things I want and expect other people to like or dislike, or change accordingly because of my opinion, its just to start a conversation.

It's no problem, you didn't seem confrontational or anything. And thanks for trying to get a discussion going. It's something I feel this thread has been lacking lately, so I'll take any excuse to write something instead of just posting images everywhere like usual.

Last edited May 16, 2012 at 08:55AM EDT

@Algernon
10 mil isn't that big of a number really, that's only 1/700 of world's population. 200,000 is just tiny.

Things can get really big on the internet, like FB which has 900 mil active users. Some games have millions of players worldwide, films and certain TV series are in the same situation (Game of Thrones).

Maybe there are less than 10 mil bronies worldwide, maybe there are 5 mil or 3 mil of them but I'd be surprised if there are fewer than a million.

In my opinion, you have to think big before you think small.

I post stuff wrote:

@Algernon
10 mil isn't that big of a number really, that's only 1/700 of world's population. 200,000 is just tiny.

Things can get really big on the internet, like FB which has 900 mil active users. Some games have millions of players worldwide, films and certain TV series are in the same situation (Game of Thrones).

Maybe there are less than 10 mil bronies worldwide, maybe there are 5 mil or 3 mil of them but I'd be surprised if there are fewer than a million.

In my opinion, you have to think big before you think small.

Not sure if I follow with that last point… What benefit do we gain by making larger estimates before smaller estimates? Just not seeing the logic there.

Anyways, You're right that it's only 1/700 of the world's population. I'd still say that's a little high, but it's made worse when you consider that only one third of the world has internet access. We're now talking about 1/230.

Then you have to consider the fact that most bronies are found in the US, while about half of the internet users in the world are in Asia. Since this is primarily an English speaking fandom, we can ignore any non-English speaking Asians. Considerably less than 10% of Asians can speak English, so let's say we're at 1/120 internet users. (You could apply this same logic to every other continent to make the fraction even larger)

Bronies are a subset of everyone involved in 'internet culture', which is itself made of a small minority of internet users (most internet users just use it for Facebook and YouTube, completely unaware that things like memes exist). I can't find any figures to back up my argument further, so I'll just make a guess that 1/20 internet users are actively involved in 'internet culture' (that's probably a high estimate). Now we get the estimate that 1/6 people involved in 'internet culture' are bronies. That's number is almost definitely too high. We're a big fandom, but we're not that big (yet). Even saying that we're 5 million strong is pushing it a bit, since we'd still be at 1/12.

However, I will admit that 1 million seems possible. It would mean every brony would have visited an EqD page 180 times on average, and considering casual bronies outnumber those who are more involved with the fandom, that sounds about right (I've probably contributed thousands of page views). I'd still say it seems a bit high though. 1 million people is a lot of people. Anyone got any solid figures so we can stop with the random guessing?

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@Algernon
10 mil isn't that big of a number really, that's only 1/700 of world's population. 200,000 is just tiny.

Things can get really big on the internet, like FB which has 900 mil active users. Some games have millions of players worldwide, films and certain TV series are in the same situation (Game of Thrones).

Maybe there are less than 10 mil bronies worldwide, maybe there are 5 mil or 3 mil of them but I'd be surprised if there are fewer than a million.

In my opinion, you have to think big before you think small.

You are basing your guess of 10 million on the amount of content on the web. That's never a good way to judge the amount of people in a fandom. This might seem like a hick example, but bare with me. The USA has over 300 million people. We eat lots of cheese, I've cream, chocolate, butter and drink lots of milk. To sustain all those people's need for Dairy, you'd guess we need at least 100 million cows or more. Not to mention we are the biggest agricultural power in the world. We produce so much milk, that alone should be enough proof that we have hundreds of millions of dairy cows right? Nope, we have around 9 million in the USA. There is a lot of mlp stuff on the web, that much is true, but it's not so much millions of bronies producing some work as much as it is hundreds of thousands producing a lot of work.

I would say there are around 1 million bronies, maybe 2. I might be pushing it, but from what I've seen the fandom is large enough.

We're really just arguing over semantics with little base to make. With the representation we have on the KYM forums, I wouldn't say we don't hold at least 1/6 of internet culture. I'd say at least half of the regular posters on the forums are bronies, give or take.

But, we're only one site. You also have DeviantArt, Tumblr, Reddit, 4chan, etc. I'd say they also have a VERY large amount of bronies, as a ratio to everything else.

We might never be able to make an accurate rough estimate, because we can never have an all-encompassing survey for the population. It just wouldn't be possible.

So, have some Iron Will:

angstyHoodie wrote:

I wasn't sure where to post this, considering the last time I made a pony related thread rather than posting it here, I made some people mad.

I gotta say that I'm not too sure what to think of ponies anymore. I've never been that big of a fan of MLP, having only watched the first season, but its slowly becoming something I'm, personally, a little curious about.

For one thing, its the behavior of some of the bronies I have met. There have been some that have been pretty cool, and are nice to talk with, but most of the time its kind of like they only want to talk about ponies, and everything they do involves ponies, these kind of bronies I generally try to ignore, and it makes me sad because I bet these people are normally very nice people to have different kinds of conversations with.

Another thing that really bothers me is the reactions of bronies to Rule 34. At first it was what one would expect, they'd ignore it, report it, or just use the love and tolerance bit. But it seems, recently, that there have been a few exceptions. I notice bronies becoming more tolerant or if, commenting on it, or even liking it. I understand that this is the internet and such, but it is, nonetheless, really odd to me.

I also wonder about crossovers, or "ponification." I think it is neat that there are artists out there who draw and write things to go with each other, its neat, but I can't help but feel like its going too far with some things, I can't really give examples, but it just seems like it is…

Now these are all just my opinions, I still think MLP is a little good, but I do find these things weird. I do have a feeling that this will come across as hate, but its not, its just my opinion, not things I want and expect other people to like or dislike, or change accordingly because of my opinion, its just to start a conversation.

HELLO WAIFU.

Anyway reguarding you comment about from earlier, i try to avoid the types of bronies that do nothing but talk about ponies. There's a fine line between being a fan of a show and being totally fucking obsessed with it.

And to be honest i don't get that thing about everyone else liking the R34. Because i haven't been around much but i think their just kidding.

I don't see anything wrong with the ponifications, i think some of them are cool but when people try to spray paint it all over everything it annoys me.

I guess our opinions a kinda similar.

now have some rainbow dash.



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@Explosive Lasers

Did anyone ever really think that was any more than a joke?


@Brony Population

I'm sure you could find some good statistics on EqD that are more accurate.
I tend to think that we're quite small. I think 100k is pushing it. But I also only think of people as bronies if they interact with the community.


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Explosive Lasers AKA Solaire AKA Sexiest wrote:

And throughout the land, there was much rejoice.

Yay~

Ii'm glad it wasn't anything official. Maybe there are some pony haters within HUB that are just trying to troll us…

Ding ding ding! Random picture time.

@Explosive Lasers
That is nice to see that the statement was unofficial. I hope those PR agents get a punishment that they deserve for their failure to the Hub and for the backlashes that they caused.

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