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On Tulsi. Let's get some things right down:

The "right" loves her for a few reasons.

1) she aligns with the anti-war right, which has been growing in the last few years as increasing disenchantment with American interventionism which they see as a perpetual drain on American resources (spending/debt) with little to nothing to show for it, especially from, seemingly, ungrateful nations – and allies.

2) she's a military vet, which much of the right has an affinity towards, and it's reciprocated. The military overwhelmingly leans right this gives her a lot of brownie points in the eyes of many Republicans – and it gives her more credibility as a candidate.

3) she is also highly visible thorn to the Democratic establishment, specifically targeting more "centrist" candidates – while also going after an age-old enemy of the right, the Clintons.

4) she cannot win the primary, thus making her a safe candidate to root for.

Now, some on the right are more keen on supporting her for "all of the above", some for 1 and 2, and others for 3 and 4, etc etc. There's no conspiracy or suspicion around it. It's politics, and ideologies.

Now Russia.
Russia will support any candidate that suits it's personal agenda:

Primary: any candidate that supports a non-interventionist foreign policy, which in turn translates to more opportunity for Russia to act on it's own foreign policy goals. And there isn't anything wrong with that since we, in the US, also have our own leanings as to who we support around the world based on our own political and foreign policy goals. Any and every country acts to support political candidates in Democracies that closer align to their goals.

The question here is "what does that support translate to". Does it mean direct funding? Sure, there's been some of that – in fact a lot of it, and while so many people make it a point to highlight the money-ties of Russia to Trump I am often left wondering why the same people refuse to highlight the money-ties that Clintons had with Qatar, KSA and even Russia all of whom donated millions to the Clinton foundation which has been time and time again been subject to controversy.

But it can also mean that internally a particular government can make a public support for a particular candidate in another country. I.e. US supporting the opposition to Venezuela's current socialist ruling party, or – the US (under Clinton) directly supporting Putin's opposition.

And herein lies the real reason why Russia supports anyone that goes after Clinton. Putin has a huge vendetta against her. Specifically he saw that she was getting too closely involved in Russia's elections

From his point of view: if the US wants to play this game. the Russians can play it too. Unfortunately for the US, the Cold War never really ended for Russia like it did for the US.

So there. Tulsi Gabbard just so happens to fit a specific niche of political positions that make her attractive to certain elements of the right, and Russia. I sincerely doubt that there is anything "fishy" going on, here. Just another left-leaning populist candidate that has unique check-boxes that is appealing to some factions.

I would very much doubt that someone like Arkos would enjoy or tolerate a Tulsi Gabbard presidency, despite the fact that he may either support her on a single issue, or that she may be a foil to any major Democratic contender.

Chewybunny said:

And herein lies the real reason why Russia supports anyone that goes after Clinton. Putin has a huge vendetta against her. Specifically he saw that she was getting too closely involved in Russia's elections

More like she was commenting on the exposure of Russia's election fraud, orchestrated by Putin, to keep him and his party in power. By the way, she wasn't the only one noticing this. The whole world pretty much noticed Russia was committing election fraud for Putin's benefit.

Election fraud that is still happening right now, with blatant ballot-stuffing operations and erasing marks on ballots.


Giuliani henchman Lev Parnas can be questioned under oath about Republican money transfers.


Col. Vindland tried to make restorations to Trump's Ukraine call summary, but failed.

You know, the same phone call summary that exposed Trump's desire to extort Ukraine over investigating the Bidens?

There were worse things said in that call that are now hidden on the secret server that stores the most secret of classified information.

poochyena wrote:

The two people I know who like her, Arkos and Cass, both like her because she is tearing the party apart and they want to see the democrat party destroyed.

Just looking at the "Bernie or Bust" types on Twitter shows me the DNC are tearing themselves appart with or without Gabbard

ActivistZero wrote:

Just looking at the "Bernie or Bust" types on Twitter shows me the DNC are tearing themselves appart with or without Gabbard

""Bernie or Bust" types on Twitter " aren't representative of the general public.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

If you say so, I’ve yet to meet anyone on the left who supports anyone other than Bernie or Bernie lite

how many non-white people over the age of 30 do you talk to about politics? guessing not very many at all.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

If you say so, I’ve yet to meet anyone on the left who supports anyone other than Bernie or Bernie lite

Then you haven't actually been looking.


Twitter plans on banning all political ads.

And look who's complaining about it:


@BrentD
>More like she was commenting on the exposure of Russia's election fraud, orchestrated by Putin, to keep him and his party in power.

If you read the link it's a bit deeper than that. It explains why, for Putin, Clinton's particular highlighting of the fraud was far more personal and meaningful. Regardless, I don't want to make it sound like I'm excusing Putin here. I'm not, and the elections were absolutely fraudulent.I'm just highlighting why there is a vandetta against her.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

If you say so, I’ve yet to meet anyone on the left who supports anyone other than Bernie or Bernie lite

Mostly because Bernie Sanders has good policies, and Bernie lite is a good second choice. I'm sorry you want the Trump/Clinton hybrid that is Joe Biden, but nobody in the left that I talk to wants him in, and nobody in the right seems to much care for Joe Biden either. He's the "establishment" candidate, which means like Jeb Bush, he's a limp noodle we're supposed to get excited for because someone in a 800$ suit thinks they're what people working retail and service jobs want.

Chewybunny wrote:

Bruh.
Public School System funded entirely by public money run entirely by public bureaucrats.

And here's the cream on top of this delicious ice cream:

"The policy shift gained national attention after an area businessman offered to pay down the district's lunch debt on Facebook, and said he was told donations were not being accepted"

A "socialist" system made a bunch of kids starve. And a "capitalist" tried to bail them out – and wasn't even allowed to.

Socialism is when the government does stuff and the more stuff it does the more socialister it is

Kenetic Kups wrote:

First step to ban all political adds

And that would be bad…why exactly? Political Ads are cancerous garbage that only exist because the line between corporations and the state are blurred to an obscene point. In fact most ads are made by corporate interests, for corporate interests, because they're the ones with money for the ad space. So it can't be to get the word out about something, because that is usually spread through 3rd parties and word of mouth.

Really, political ads are a modern invention as well, coming about mostly from the era post-WW2, with stuff like "I Like Ike" and the Lyndon Johnson "Daisy" ad. Mostly because people serving in positions of political power were taking cues from the growing influence of the private capitalist industries, all the way back to when Charles "Engine Charlie" Winston was put into power as a secretary of state while also being the head of general motors, and possibly even before that.

Basically, what I'm say is, political ads serve no purpose other then to discourage critical thinking into issues, and often are more misleading then informative. The sooner they go, the better.

Black Graphic T wrote:

And that would be bad…why exactly? Political Ads are cancerous garbage that only exist because the line between corporations and the state are blurred to an obscene point. In fact most ads are made by corporate interests, for corporate interests, because they're the ones with money for the ad space. So it can't be to get the word out about something, because that is usually spread through 3rd parties and word of mouth.

Really, political ads are a modern invention as well, coming about mostly from the era post-WW2, with stuff like "I Like Ike" and the Lyndon Johnson "Daisy" ad. Mostly because people serving in positions of political power were taking cues from the growing influence of the private capitalist industries, all the way back to when Charles "Engine Charlie" Winston was put into power as a secretary of state while also being the head of general motors, and possibly even before that.

Basically, what I'm say is, political ads serve no purpose other then to discourage critical thinking into issues, and often are more misleading then informative. The sooner they go, the better.

You seem to be misinterpreting me mate. I’m completely for banning all political adds, and as far as canidates go, I’d say Bernie is my top pick

Apologies, been dealing with a lot of people claiming this is "Twitter Censorship" and the "End of Political Discourse" in our modern age. The irony is enough to suffocate on.

Tinderfox wrote:

Socialism is when the government does stuff and the more stuff it does the more socialister it is

Hence why I put it into quotes.
I acknowledge what socialism in theory is.

However, yes, "socialism", when expressed by societies in the 20th century has been mostly governments taking it upon themselves to run services in the name of social (read public) ownership. In this case, public education is "social" ownership of education i.e. government run schools, beholden to social investment (public contribution through taxation) into a government run system that's purpose is to educate, by law, the youth of the public.

I know you have your particular, very specific, and theoretical definition. But as I have pointed out to you before, that theory is irrelevant. The application of that theory is.

Black Graphic T wrote:

Mostly because Bernie Sanders has good policies, and Bernie lite is a good second choice. I'm sorry you want the Trump/Clinton hybrid that is Joe Biden, but nobody in the left that I talk to wants him in, and nobody in the right seems to much care for Joe Biden either. He's the "establishment" candidate, which means like Jeb Bush, he's a limp noodle we're supposed to get excited for because someone in a 800$ suit thinks they're what people working retail and service jobs want.

Mostly, it's so that media pundits can market him to people on the center-right as more palatable than Trump.


Trump lawyer John Eisenberg moved the Ukraine phone call transcript to that extra-classified server after aides complained.

And this was reported after Chris Anderson and Catherine Croft testified of Trump's behavior towards Ukraine.

Chris Anderson: Senior admin. official blocked statement condemning Russia's actions against Ukraine naval vessels.

Catherine Croft: President ordered Ukraine military aide halted.

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Trump is now bribing Republican Senators into voting against his conviction.

Like a mob boss to a jury.


Now that Katie Hill has resigned from Congress, does anyone else find this suspicious?

And now he, a convicted felon, is running for her seat.

And the same lady that ran that story on Red State, Jennifer Van Laar, was the campaign manager for Katie Hill's Republican opponent last year.

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BrentD15 wrote:

You know, this whole Biden thing can be called one thing; a covert psy-op against the American public. Which is illegal.

I love how all of the neolibs are pretending like Biden did nothing wrong because what Trump did was illegal. It's as if you think one crime cancels out the other.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

I love how all of the neolibs are pretending like Biden did nothing wrong because what Trump did was illegal. It's as if you think one crime cancels out the other.

The problem is, what Biden did isn't illegal. And if we are entirely honest here, Mykola Zlochevsky, the one who actually owns Burmisa, is the one whose committed these corruption allegations. If Anything, Joe Biden probably hoped to get a harder on crime person then Viktor Shokin, whom while paying lip service to fighting corruption, took bribes and dragged his feet on any actual investigations, often stalling them until they could no longer be prosecuted such as was the case with the Britain’s Serious Fraud Office's investigation into Burmisa due to the money laundering the company was attempting in the UK.

And we know this, because the people who actually broke these stories, came forward with statements commending President Trump's twisting of their work for a political agenda. https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

Black Graphic T wrote:

The problem is, what Biden did isn't illegal. And if we are entirely honest here, Mykola Zlochevsky, the one who actually owns Burmisa, is the one whose committed these corruption allegations. If Anything, Joe Biden probably hoped to get a harder on crime person then Viktor Shokin, whom while paying lip service to fighting corruption, took bribes and dragged his feet on any actual investigations, often stalling them until they could no longer be prosecuted such as was the case with the Britain’s Serious Fraud Office's investigation into Burmisa due to the money laundering the company was attempting in the UK.

And we know this, because the people who actually broke these stories, came forward with statements commending President Trump's twisting of their work for a political agenda. https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25/i-wrote-about-the-bidens-and-ukraine-years-ago-then-the-right-wing-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

So, in a sense, Joe Biden was for anti-corruption, while Donald Trump was claiming said anti-corruption was the real corruption.

"No puppet, no puppet. You're the puppet, you're the puppet. You're the puppet."

Former Ukraine embassador Marie Yovanovitch had her deposition transcript released yesterday, and it was pretty damning.
Includes implied threats against her by the President, the State Department consulting with Sean Hannity about whether or not to fire her.

Democrat Andy Beshear managed to pull off a victory in Kentucky's governor's election.


Yesterday, Gordon Sondland confirmed that Donald Trump had Ukraine in a vice over receiving defense aid in exchange for a public presser to investigate the Biden family and the DNC.

Last edited Nov 06, 2019 at 07:36AM EST

With the recently released testimonies from Laura Cooper, Catherine Croft, and Christopher Anderson, I think it's becoming quite clear that Trump was acting nefarious towards Ukraine for Vladimir Putin's benefit.

Withholding aid and ordering Mike Pence to abandon his attendance of Zelensky's inauguration were just furthering evidence of a pattern of this behavior.

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What We Know About Tulsi Gabbard’s Base

tl;dr Almost all her support come from conservative men.

>In fact, Gabbard has become a bit of a conservative media darling in the primary, with conservative commentators like Ann Coulter and pro-Trump social media personalities like Mike Cernovich complimenting her for her foreign policy views. In a primary in which some 2020 Democratic contenders have boycotted Fox News, Gabbard has regularly appeared on the network. Just last week, Gabbard even did an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, a far-right political outlet.

poochyena wrote:

What We Know About Tulsi Gabbard’s Base

tl;dr Almost all her support come from conservative men.

>In fact, Gabbard has become a bit of a conservative media darling in the primary, with conservative commentators like Ann Coulter and pro-Trump social media personalities like Mike Cernovich complimenting her for her foreign policy views. In a primary in which some 2020 Democratic contenders have boycotted Fox News, Gabbard has regularly appeared on the network. Just last week, Gabbard even did an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, a far-right political outlet.

And?

>she’s on right wing media
maybe becuase she, like Yang, and Sanders, are snubbed by the corperate “left”

>becuase she, like Yang, and Sanders

They aren't on right wing media though, and have support mostly from democrats. The point is that Hillary was right when she said Gabbard is being molded by republicans.

poochyena wrote:

>becuase she, like Yang, and Sanders

They aren't on right wing media though, and have support mostly from democrats. The point is that Hillary was right when she said Gabbard is being molded by republicans.

My god poochy. Is it your goal in life to have shittiest opinions possible? The fact that you take Hillary Clinton seriously shows you are joke. Hillary is corporatist warmonger who voted for the Iraq war. In 2016 Tulsi Gabbard stepped down from her position at the DNC to endorse Bernie Sanders. If you seriously think Hillary is being genuine and isn't just pissed about losing that endorsement in 2016, you are lost. Hillary has blamed everyone and their grandma for her loss, because she doesn't want to admit that she's so shitty that a reality star man baby beat her in the election.
If you can give at least two republican policies she supports I'll admit you're right. So what is it? Does want to continue wars in the middle-east? Does she want a wall on the US-Mexico border? Does she want to continue the drug war and keep weed illegal? Does she want to keep money in politics? Does she think climate change is a myth? Does she want to deregulate Wall street?

>If you seriously think Hillary is being genuine and isn't just pissed about losing that endorsement in 2016, you are lost.

How does hillary losing in 2016 connect to Gabbard being almost entirely supported by conservatives?

>If you can give at least two republican policies she supports I'll admit you're right.

right about what? That she is supported almost entirely by conservatives? I already posted proof of that

poochyena wrote:

>If you seriously think Hillary is being genuine and isn't just pissed about losing that endorsement in 2016, you are lost.

How does hillary losing in 2016 connect to Gabbard being almost entirely supported by conservatives?

>If you can give at least two republican policies she supports I'll admit you're right.

right about what? That she is supported almost entirely by conservatives? I already posted proof of that

You didn't provide a shred of evidence supporting the claim that republican's are grooming her.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

You didn't provide a shred of evidence supporting the claim that republican's are grooming her.

She is frequently on right wing networks and supported almost entirely by right wing people, even extremists like david duke.
Idk what other explanation there is other than republican's are grooming her.

Now here's a little thought experiment.
We've established that Tulsi Gabbard avoids left leaning networks. Why is that? You've assumed that this is a choice by preference, but what if we turned that around? What if left leaning networks do not want to have Tulsi on?

Gabbard herself does claim that there's a media bias against her.

poochyena wrote:

>becuase she, like Yang, and Sanders

They aren't on right wing media though, and have support mostly from democrats. The point is that Hillary was right when she said Gabbard is being molded by republicans.

No, she said Tulsi was a russian sockpuppet

poochyena wrote:

She is frequently on right wing networks and supported almost entirely by right wing people, even extremists like david duke.
Idk what other explanation there is other than republican's are grooming her.

That's not an answer. That's a dodge. You didn't even acknowledge anything about her policies, which are left wing not right wing as you seem to be implying. By the way Tulsi denounced David Duke so that argument doesn't hold any weight.

>You didn't even acknowledge anything about her policies

Because its irrelevant

>which are left wing not right wing as you seem to be implying.

I never implied her policies are right wing.

>By the way Tulsi denounced David Duke so that argument doesn't hold any weight.

You read it backwards. I said david duke supports her, not that she supports david duke.

poochyena wrote:

Not being wanted by left wing networks doesn't make appearing on right wing networks not a personal choice.

Let me get this straight. Tulsi appearing on right wing news is bad, but she also can't go to the left. What the hell is she supposed to do then?

Ozzzim wrote:

Let me get this straight. Tulsi appearing on right wing news is bad, but she also can't go to the left. What the hell is she supposed to do then?

Go to unbias news networks? Yang and Bernie have no problem getting interviews on places like CBS

Ozzzim wrote:

Let me get this straight. Tulsi appearing on right wing news is bad, but she also can't go to the left. What the hell is she supposed to do then?

Shut up and vote the establishment according to some people

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