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Pete's out, Tom's out, Amy's out. Man the screws are tightening down on Bernie at that brokered convention for the DNC. In the end Sander's gonna get screwed again by the establishment.

I can't wait to see the Bernie bros lose their minds when they get shafted. No, wait, they don't have minds to start with. Anyway, I got my pop corn and smores to cook over the flames of Milwaukee when they burn that town down.

ActivistZero wrote:

Gonna just put my tin foil hat on and say the only reason Buttigieg & Klobuchar are droping out now is that they got offered a sweet deal by Biden.

Watch 'em fuck over Sanders again and hand Trump his second term

You don't need tin foil for this. Super Tuesday is tomorrow and if they dropped out then after the voting, then everyone would understand. But BEFORE Super Tuesday then ya know they got a hell of a deal from someone to pack it in.

Team Arkos wrote:

>Democrat election Fraud has been protected.

FTFY

Brent, we know you Neo-libs love to stuff the ballot box because cheating is the only way your side wins.

Are you physically unable to make a political post that doesn't strawman your opponent?

ActivistZero wrote:

Gonna just put my tin foil hat on and say the only reason Buttigieg & Klobuchar are droping out now is that they got offered a sweet deal by Biden.

Watch 'em fuck over Sanders again and hand Trump his second term

With tweets like these coming from our President, somehow I don't see Biden being an instant lose button against Trump, and this is coming from a Sanders supported who voted for him in 2016, and again in 2020.

To add a bit more analysis, my guess is that the Trump campaign feels like all they need to do against Sanders is shriek "Communism!" and they'll fearmonger enough to win the election.

Also, is it just me, or are Trump's tweets attacking the Democratic candidates getting more and more desperate. "Sleepy Joe Biden"?, "Mini Mike"?, "Crazy Bernie"? You've got to be fucking kidding me with these elementary school insults.

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Team Arkos wrote:

Pete's out, Tom's out, Amy's out. Man the screws are tightening down on Bernie at that brokered convention for the DNC. In the end Sander's gonna get screwed again by the establishment.

I can't wait to see the Bernie bros lose their minds when they get shafted. No, wait, they don't have minds to start with. Anyway, I got my pop corn and smores to cook over the flames of Milwaukee when they burn that town down.

“anyone who disagrees with me is mindless”

please vote today if you are in a super tuesday state and choose bernie sanders. he is the only candidate fully committed to making healthcare a right for everyone, rather than just a privilege for the financially well off.

Welp, THIS took me by surprise. Bloomberg has suspended his campaign and Super Tuesday panned out different than I thought it would.

Biden is surging ahead and Bernie is close behind.

Warren is in a distant 3rd.

Tulsi has a delegate, That's right. 1 delegate. She must be proud.

Team Arkos wrote:

>Republicans try to purge over 200,000 REGISTERED voters(i.e. voter suppression)
>democrats stop them
>according to you the democrats are the ones participating in voter fraud
How exactly are you right?

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PatrickBateman96 wrote:

>Republicans try to purge over 200,000 REGISTERED voters(i.e. voter suppression)
>democrats stop them
>according to you the democrats are the ones participating in voter fraud
How exactly are you right?

Voter registration only expires every other year (at least in my county), you can still be registered while effectively being completely ineligible in some other way (dead, moved, incarcerated, etc.). It's not explicitly voter suppression to parse through and update registration lists to remove said ineligible voters.

Not saying he's right that the dems are only preventing it to allow voter fraud, but you're not exactly right either that it's wholly voter suppression.

If they aren't people who are even eligible to vote, it's not voter suppression, that's fraud prevention. Whether or not all 200,000 people were fully eligible to vote, that's up to the courts. It's reductive to sum up the issue as being solely Dems using fake accounts for fraud or Reps using this as a cover for voter suppression.

>If they aren't people who are even eligible to vote, it's not voter suppression

if they are taking away their eligibility to vote, it is.

> Whether or not all 200,000 people were fully eligible to vote, that's up to the courts.

They are. I don't think you understand what is happening. Those people are 100% fully and completely eligible to vote, but republicans are trying to get their eligibility removed because they didn't vote in the past one or two elections.

Then if that's what the court found cool beans. I just know that in most counties including my own that if you don't vote in any election in a 2 year time frame your registration becomes expired. It's not an unreasonable estimate I think to put in some gates to prevent exploiting the voting system, especially when there are potentially millions of registered yet ineligible voters.

>Then if that's what the court found cool beans.

That misses the point. Republicans tried to suppress votes, the courts had to come in to stop it.

> It's not an unreasonable estimate

2 years is absolutely unreasonable. We only have elections ones every two years in the US. Just missing 1 election means you'd have to re-register? Thats going to leave a lot of people not realizing they were taken off and not realize until its too late.

>prevent exploiting the voting system

How does this do that?

>especially when there are potentially millions of registered yet ineligible voters.

What do you mean? How can you be registered, but ineligible?

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poochyena wrote:

>Then if that's what the court found cool beans.

That misses the point. Republicans tried to suppress votes, the courts had to come in to stop it.

> It's not an unreasonable estimate

2 years is absolutely unreasonable. We only have elections ones every two years in the US. Just missing 1 election means you'd have to re-register? Thats going to leave a lot of people not realizing they were taken off and not realize until its too late.

>prevent exploiting the voting system

How does this do that?

>especially when there are potentially millions of registered yet ineligible voters.

What do you mean? How can you be registered, but ineligible?

>What do you mean? How can you be registered, but ineligible?

In my county at least, the only way to become unregistered is to not vote after a while or failing to respond to a mail inquiry. Here's the FAQ response for my county:

Voter registration is permanent. However, you can fall off the voter registration roll if:

A – You failed to vote in any election the past two years. B – You did not contact us after we tried to reach you through the mail to verify you live in our county. Note: You always need to update your home address when you move to a new address inside [redacted] County. You can do that address update online. The tax office sends two letters through the U.S. Postal Service when it attempts to reach voters at risk of removal from the voter registration roll. Voters, who fail to respond, go to a “suspense” file. Voting automatically moves them back to the active voters list. State law requires us to remove the names of those not voting or contacting us after four years in suspense status.

As such, one can hypothetically die and still be "registered". This can extend to people who move and forget to update their registration or other cases. Pew Research did a study back in 2012 which pointed out a potential 24 million registrations are "no longer eligible or are significantly inaccurate".

>How does this do that?

If said voters were registered but found to be ineligible, it would remove their ability to be used by other people to use their names for their voting. Once again if the court found that all 200,000 some-odd people were all registered, eligible voters then great! No purge needed. Since '97 however, there have been at least1,241 cases of electoral fraud, a good 200 or so being dead voters/people falsely using another name in registration like I mentioned. Cleaning up registration lists to remove inaccurate names has caught and will help catch more fraud incidents, though I think audits will help more than purges.

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>one can hypothetically die and still be "registered". This can extend to people who move and forget to update their registration or other cases.

whats the problem with that?

>Cleaning up registration lists to remove inaccurate names has caught and will help catch more fraud incidents

Whats your evidence of this? That claim seems to the the basis for your entire argument, but I don't see it.

poochyena wrote:

>one can hypothetically die and still be "registered". This can extend to people who move and forget to update their registration or other cases.

whats the problem with that?

>Cleaning up registration lists to remove inaccurate names has caught and will help catch more fraud incidents

Whats your evidence of this? That claim seems to the the basis for your entire argument, but I don't see it.

>whats the problem with that?

That statement was directly in response to you asking me directly: "How can you be registered, but ineligible?" If you are dead that makes you PRETTY FUCKING INELIGIBLE to vote. Having that registration still in the database, especially from the much more common case of just simply changing address, can allow malicious actors to use your registration for fraud.

>Whats your evidence of this? That claim seems to the the basis for your entire argument, but I don't see it.

Auditing and reviewing registration can and will lead to catching voter fraud and preventing it. A good case study is the 1982 Chicago mayoral election. Audits and investigations are what uncovered the very widespread case of voter fraud, fraud made possible by thousands of registrations being listed to incorrect addresses or in more cases: deceased voters. If you need more than that Pew Research and Heritage foundation have more examples in spoonfeed-easy presentation.

Verification of registration is a necessity in maintaining the integrity of voting.

> If you are dead that makes you PRETTY FUCKING INELIGIBLE to vote.

Yea, I thought you were talking about ineligible people who are still alive and voting because they are still labeled as eligible.

>fraud made possible by thousands of registrations being listed to incorrect addresses or in more cases: deceased voters.

I don't understand how that works. whats so special about them being dead? I understand how its easier to catch those fraudulent votes, but don't understand how that prevents fraudulent votes by removing those dead people.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

I don't get how "eligibility to vote" isn't just "Are you a citizen?" "Yes" "You can vote". Anything more is getting down on hands and knees, begging, no, PRAYING for election tampering.

"Are you alive" and "do you even live here" are the quantifiers I've been mentioning in my posts. Not scrutinizing registrations for these is what leads to voter fraud cases.

seems like finger print ID with a computer database would be the perfect way to identify someone and make sure they don't vote multiple times.

wisehowl_the_2nd wrote:

"Are you alive" and "do you even live here" are the quantifiers I've been mentioning in my posts. Not scrutinizing registrations for these is what leads to voter fraud cases.

Something showing an ID does. All you need is to give your address at the polling station, no need to register at all.

poochyena wrote:

seems like finger print ID with a computer database would be the perfect way to identify someone and make sure they don't vote multiple times.

Good idea in theory, but it all relies on whether or not people would trust having such an identifiable piece of data in the hands of the government.

Something I doubt would be a popular opinion regardless of where you are on the political spectrum

@Ryumaru Borike
I can borrow someone's ID. I can't borrow someone's finger print.

@ActivistZero
> it all relies on whether or not people would trust having such an identifiable piece of data in the hands of the government.

Why not? What would they be able to do with my fingerprint? Name, address, and date of birth is way more sensitive data.

>I can borrow someone's ID. I can't borrow someone's finger print.

If only there was something on the ID that allowed you to just tell by looking if it's there's or not? If only there was a way to imprint the information of what your face looks like onto the ID. Sadly this is just a mythical technology trapped within the fever dreams of a mad author.

That and the fact that whoever's ID you borrowed won't be able to vote because they'll be marked as having voted, meaning the total number of votes remain the same.

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Ryumaru Borike wrote:

I don't get how "eligibility to vote" isn't just "Are you a citizen?" "Yes" "You can vote". Anything more is getting down on hands and knees, begging, no, PRAYING for election tampering.

I completely disagree, people need to be tested for awareness of the geopolitical situation

> If only there was a way to imprint the information of what your face looks like onto the ID.

That doesn't really help. You just need to borrow the ID of someone who looks somewhat like you. Its not really easy to use a small photo as identification unless you look extremely closely, and even then its not great.

>That and the fact that whoever's ID you borrowed won't be able to vote because they'll be marked as having voted, meaning the total number of votes remain the same.

Thats only true if you borrow it from someone who intended to vote.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

I completely disagree, people need to be tested for awareness of the geopolitical situation

Question 1.) Is public healthcare viable?

Answer.) Yes

"Sorry, we cannot allow you to vote, you failed the test we, the people currently in charge, made to make sure you pass our ideology intelligence test."

Anything, and I repeat, ANYTHING that can be used to deny a persons right to vote can and will be used by those in power to stay in power.

poochyena wrote:

> If only there was a way to imprint the information of what your face looks like onto the ID.

That doesn't really help. You just need to borrow the ID of someone who looks somewhat like you. Its not really easy to use a small photo as identification unless you look extremely closely, and even then its not great.

>That and the fact that whoever's ID you borrowed won't be able to vote because they'll be marked as having voted, meaning the total number of votes remain the same.

Thats only true if you borrow it from someone who intended to vote.

So you need someone in the same voting district as you, who looks nearly identical to you, has the same hair color, eye color, weight, and height, all of which are listed on the ID and easy to eyeball by anyone not completely blind, and is not voting in order to maybe vote twice if the lines allow for it. Even if you succeed, all you did was practically the same as dragging that guy to the polling station and telling him who to vote for, without having to get him off his ass.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

Question 1.) Is public healthcare viable?

Answer.) Yes

"Sorry, we cannot allow you to vote, you failed the test we, the people currently in charge, made to make sure you pass our ideology intelligence test."

Anything, and I repeat, ANYTHING that can be used to deny a persons right to vote can and will be used by those in power to stay in power.

Untill we get a compotent government, the only thing I want is things like “are you aware of the political politions of the following canidates”

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Untill we get a compotent government, the only thing I want is things like “are you aware of the political politions of the following canidates”

You realize whoever is in charge now gets to decide the questions and grade them, right?

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