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And how long do you think that vaccine will take? I have heard many predictions none of them short, certainly none feasable for my country's shutdown to last. Be it fiscal ruin or social agitation we will be forced to emerge and then will hit the afflictions we put off.

Hope we will have made the most of what time we bought, might save some lives that would have been lost without it.

No one will be "forced to emerge". People will choose to emerge because they erroneously think that the quarantine is doing more damage than the disease and then the disease will do more damage in a month than a quarantine could ever do. Again, the damage from undoing the quarantine will always be more than the quarantine, because undoing the quarantine has every single problem the quarantine has magnified plus more.

I like how Chewbunny is like "We should have been more like South Korea" and then complains about folks being arrested for breaking quarnintine.

"South Korean Prime Minister Chung Se-kyun ordered officials to employ a “no-tolerance” policy on those who disobey quarantines, saying that South Korean nationals would be sued and foreigners would be expelled.

South Korean citizens who violate the rules may face fines up to $8,100 and up to a year in jail, according to Reuters."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/coronavirus-south-korea-quarantine-policy-no-tolerance-violation-crackdown-stay-home

No the opposite is true, either we reverse the quarentine in a month or two and people die or we push it too far, and we end up having to deal with an economic depression and major civil unrest on top of people dying as the quarentine is reversed either by the government bowing to pressure or de facto as people stop obeying

There is a reason that solatary confinement is used as a punishment, we're not made to be isolated from human interaction for long periods of time, it makes us irrational. Even assuming we dont have issues of survival or fiscal security to accelerate things; longer it goes on the more people will act out defy guidlines and policing.

You will never get the nations of the west to stay in quarentine for the year+ required for vaccine development.

Intel Community Inspector General was fired by the President for his role in reporting the reporting the whistleblower complaint to Congress.
Retaliation over an attempted thwarting of the Ukraine Shakedown.

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You clearly have no idea what solitary confinement is if you're comparing a quarantine to it. Things you can't do in a solitary confinement is leave your house to go grocery shopping, leave for exercise, have a phone, have a computer, have a kitchen, have a living room. Solitary is being locked in your bathroom, sometimes without even being allowed lights, and often without contact with guards even.

That's not what's happening here, so don't compare the two and suck it up, buttercup.

Yeah, I think most people will choose cabin fever over a deadly disease any day. This idea that the quarantine will fail, not because of economic issues, but because people will feel too cooped up is ridiculous. Especially since martial law is still on the table. Quarantine isn't even comparable to Solitary Confinement so I don't even know why you're bringing it up.

And again, and for the last time the problems of undoing the quarantine early is every problem of the quarantine itself magnified, not the other way around. 8 million people die in a month, all stores will be shut down and people will not go anywhere on their own, and the economy will crash, but since people are now dead, it'll be harder to recover, especially if the virus mutates in such an environment. You are severely underestimating the amount of damage millions of Americans dying to a disease more infectious than the Flu would do if you think quarantine can even approach it.

Black Graphic T wrote:
>You clearly have no idea what solitary confinement is if you're comparing a quarantine to it. Things you can't do in a solitary confinement is leave your house to go grocery shopping, leave for exercise, have a phone, have a computer, have a kitchen, have a living room. Solitary is being locked in your bathroom, sometimes without even being allowed lights, and often without contact with guards even.

That's not what's happening here, so don't compare the two and suck it up, buttercup.

First, rude.

Second my analogy illustrates the problem by pointing out the extreme, its still a problem even with mitigation. Confinement and isolation wears on most people and communication technology is not a 1:1 substitutes for the average person, not for the long haul and certainly not for the myriad variations of "does not thrive in confinement" humanity has.

People will get more and more unruly the longer it goes, tell them to suck it up all you want eventually those that reply with a "fuck you" will exceed what the western governments will are willing or even able to suppress.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:
>And again, and for the last time the problems of undoing the quarantine early is every problem of the quarantine itself magnified, not the other way around. 8 million people die in a month, all stores will be shut down and people will not go anywhere on their own, and the economy will crash, but since people are now dead, it'll be harder to recover, especially if the virus mutates in such an environment. You are severely underestimating the amount of damage millions of Americans dying to a disease more infectious than the Flu would do if you think quarantine can even approach it.

I get using extremes for emphasis but 8 Million in a month would require the entire 350 million to get it all at once, its not that fast even were it to see an uncontrolled end of quarentine.

In psychopathic economic terms: no it wouldnt be more damaging than a depression. Its a resperatory disease with symptoms that only last a week and whose symptoms vary in intensity depending on the health of the infected, those it kills are the elderly and the invalid; typically of little to no economic productivity. For the overwhelming majority of the working age population it would indeed be no worse than the flu.

Businesses would not shut down nor travel end, the economy itself would see disruption but not destruction. What would see destruction would be having 2/3rds of the economy shut down for months on end and being forced to canibalize themselves or go out of business.

You know whats bad for maintaining the quarentine? Governments losing the tax revenue while also now having to support those unemployed. You know whats worse for maintaining it? 10-20% of the working age population sitting at home dwelling on thier now insecure future while considering the fact that most of them would still have a job if the government had done pretty much anything else than a full quarentine.

I dont think we should just return to normal now and screw the consequences.

The idea of outlasting it is fantasy, it will go through us sooner or later and we must do what we can to control it so as we arent overwhelmed. Quarentine for a month or two more, give us time to build up our hospital capacity, test out treatments but after that we have to let the businesses open and do triage.

>its not that fast

Yes it is.

> those it kills are the elderly and the invalid; typically of little to no economic productivity. For the overwhelming majority of the working age population it would indeed be no worse than the flu.

This is untrue to an absurd degree. Untreated, which many cases would be if the hospitals get over run, it can easily kill and permanently cripple anyone, young people are not immune to this. Even if it doesn't kill you, most people would not be in any condition to work anyway, causing the same problem quarantine has, except all businesses, essential or not, get shut down and a bunch of people never make it back to work. "Businesses would not shut down nor travel end"? Yes they absolutely would. Businesses can't be open if no one is healthy enough to work!

That fact that you actually said the virus is "no worse than the flu" makes me want to end this conversation right now. One, because anyone who says "It's just the Flu" has no idea how bad the Flu is, and two, because it's much more contagious, has more severe symptoms and is much deadlier than the Flu.

Just FYI that the Corona Virus is showing symptoms of causing behavioral problems and brain damage in some cases. That is just another mutation this virus is undergoing as peoples different health impact its effect. There's a ton of people the economy rely on who have undiagnosed or untreated medical issues due to not having money do it. These people are the ones usually in the service industry, the same people currently being made to work due to their status as essential. The last thing we need is to flood them with potential infections and get them laid out and unable to work.

Because chances are they aren't going to have top of the line insurance to cover a full gambit of Ventalators and Dialysis and Medication to fight this thing without developing long term and crippling side effects.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20200402-for-some-survivors-coronavirus-complications-can-last-a-lifetime

There comes a time where maybe we need to stop and ask if lining a billionares fiscal quarter should come at the cost of everyone else in the service industry.

Isn't there an Accelerationist who frequents political discussions here?
This article is for you!

Trump Administration continues to steal medical supplies ordered by states and counties.

Did you not read the part where I said

"*Strict enforcement of quarantines on those infected, etc etc *"

Do you really think nazis are the only ones who want that?
is there any other way to fundamentally change a society other than starting over?
“We can bring to birth a new world, from the ashes of the old”

Literally every modern "radical" ideology – be it anarcho-whatever, communism, socialism, fascism, syndicalism and to even some extent extreme ends of libertarian completely and totally rely on their ideology to take center state after the so called collapse/revolution. The fact of the matter is, they all know that they cannot realize their pet ideology through a populist system such a democracy or a republic – at least not in it's entirety, and not instantaneously. They know that the flames of revolution can only be really ignited when there is a massive popular push behind the revolution itself…and the joke is: despite a lot of shit, and hardships, for the most part, the vast majority of people in the US – have it pretty good or at worst "ok". Not to mention that these ideologies always come with a warning label "may backfire royally and cost you your own life"…as it happened so many goddam times during the 20th century alone.

You’re correct, that’s why i support radical centrist Technocracy, for one it hasn’t been tried yet, and the idea is to take the good parts of both sides

Important qualifiers often seem to get ignored when talking about things people feel strongly. "For the overwhelming majority" and "working age population"gets stripped from "its no worse than the flu" in their minds and they react accordingly.

Almost like they're not reacting to you at all but to someone else's statement that shares superficial elements to your own despite being different in substance.

got 'em

Alyssa milano’s comments are the cringiest, and most obvious paid shill shit I’ve ever seen

I find it amusing that Alyssa Milano, the same person who:

- is one of the people that sparked the whole #Metoo movement

- revived the #WhyIDidntReport trend in 2018

- participated in the whole Brett Kavanaugh allegations

- started the #SexStrike which so far I find it to be the fucking dumbest part she has done

I mean for real it's very interesting to see these people to turn a complete 180 when they go for Joe Biden.

It’s only because she’s friends with biden

I don't honestly know what Alyssa had done in the past exactly, but i might be sure she started the "believe women/victims" trend too from what i heard in Twitter, even Rose McGowan

2020 is officially worse 2016

So, anyone else see that the federal government is stealing COVID supplies from the states yet?

Did you also see the republican-donor started Blue Flame Medical is getting a bunch of hard to find supplies through "relationships"? I'm not one for conspiracies but this is suspicious as all hell

The Conservative-majority State Supreme Court allowed this to happen.

When you spend the entirety of #MeToo saying that every rape accusation must be 100% true, don't be surprised when people call you out on it when the accused happens to be someone friendly to you and it's now that you're calling doubt on it

Bernie's out

>When you spend the entirety of #MeToo saying that every rape accusation must be 100% true

Did that actually happen? Or just assuming so?

As expected, I guess the DNC really loves Trump huh?

Anyway, last election I didn't have a twitter. So these next few months are going to be something.

I dunno, you tell me

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— Stephen L. Miller (@redsteeze) April 6, 2020

thanks

I'd like to take a moment and congratulate Trump on his reelection

Translation:
Bernie has earned enough for his 4th house already in donations, so he can now safely says:
"That's all, folks! And remember: "

I think its due to him polling very low and losing a lot of states, but I guess that doesn't fit your narrative.

And Joe Biden agreed with them. Kinda shot yourself in the foot with that one didn't you?

F in the chat boys, America dead.

So this is where we're at? The democrat nominee is the guy whose only benefit to voting for him is "At least he's not Trump" Can't wait for him to be forced from hiding and have to debate Trump and for the country to release who they actually voted for.

Biden is at least better than clinton. He has a less controversial past at least seems to care about bernie and doesn't hate him like clinton did. maybe a larger share of bernie supporters will vote for biden than did for clinton.

I can't imagine what trump and biden will even debate about. Immigration is really the only difference between the two.

Welp, I ain't voting
have fun with 4 more years of trump dnc, its clearly what you wanted by rigging the primaries

I did vote you fucking condescending msm puppet

No it's not, maybe I'll change my mind by then and go in to vote Bernie, but it won't matter
Third party will never win in this failed state

What's the point of a message?
third partys doing well has never changed anything
the only message I want to send is to get my ideology out there so that maybe someone can use it once the us goes ussr and collapses

>What's the point of a message?

That there is a voting base out there unhappy with neither major candidates.

>hat there is a voting base out there unhappy with neither major candidates.

You think the major parties don't know that? They don't care. So long as the spoiler effect exists, voting for a third party hurts your best interests more than it helps it. It's not even a sociological or political issue, it's a mathematical problem fundamentally built into the voting system we currently have.