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poochyena wrote:

Not the worst pick.. not the best either…

The Democrats really are going to lose the easiest election in American History for the second time.

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Trump's postmaster general is screwing over veterans by having medication delayed.

Efforts are being undertaken to mitigate this.
This shouldn't even be happening, and it only is because Trump is paranoid over mail-in ballots costing him the election.

Both of my grandfathers for veterans, and if they were still around (which I doubt), they'd be voting for Biden.

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So during national spot light on police brutality, horrible abuses by our justice system…Biden decides to go with a former cop. Not just any cop, but as AG, she weaponized technicalities to keep wrongfully convicted people behind bars rather than allow them new trials with competent counsel. She could have demanded DNA testing in Kevin Cooper's case, but she refused. She could have conceded George Gage conviction was based on the prosecutor's decision to supress evidence that destroyed the credibility of the only witness against him.

Someone who, in 2015, when called upon by Legislative Black Caucus to support bills that would have mandated that all police officers wear body worn cameras and that the AG's office investigate lethal officer involved shootings. She said no.
Someone who championed a law that would go after parents of chronically truant children, despite being overwhelmingly focused on the poorest people. Who supported a system that locks up people who are too poor to post exorbitant money bail.

But this is of course, on par with what we're dealing with. What better pair for a Presidential nominee with a long history of being a vocal supporter of the war on drugs, and mass incarceration. Who in 1989, went on live TV and said George Bush's plan didn't go far enough. In fact, during the late 80s and early 90s, every plan Bush rolled out, Biden criticized as not going far enough. Who during the 80s and 90s spearheaded legislation that exacerbated the prison population that only reversed course int he recent most years.

Frankly, if you're a supporter of BLM, Justice Reform, critical of Police Policies, critical of the horrible war on drugs and it's massive devastation to people's lives and whole communities. If you're a supporter of any of that and you still bow down and kiss the ass of the Democrat's chosen Presidential and Vice Presidential nominee, you're a goddam hypocrite.

Perhaps it's damn time to stop supporting a system of constantly throwing you into the "lesser of two evils" mindset, forcing you to sell out your convictions, your values, just so the "other" party won't win.

Should have gone with the scientologist. After all the shit of 2020 we deserved at least seeing Mike "Taze the Rainbow" Pence share a stage with Xenu.

Last edited Aug 11, 2020 at 08:12PM EDT

Kenetic Kups wrote:

IS that news?
the us has been supporting the theocratic dystopia known as suadi arabia for decades

He did behind the backs of Congress, which is criminal.

Dr. Bots wrote:

So this might be a silly question but, come November when I'm in the voting booth is there anything special I need to do to vote for Howie Hawkins?

Probably a good idea to check if he's got ballot access in your state if you haven't already


This is the america we live in people
This is the america that exists when we allow the rich to walk all over us
This is only the beginning when the economy is collapsing and a pandemic is ravaging the country, and the fucking government does nothing
We need real change NOW

Penis Miller wrote:

Anyone getting Hillary vibes from the branding forming around Kamala Harris right now? Zero charisma ghoul being turned into a savior cult.

There are similarities for sure. The progressive faction of the Democrat party hates them both. Hillary's "deplorable" statement to the people who she needed to win, is similar to Kamala referring to the young people the Democrats have been desperate to court "stupid". The difference, however, is that Clinton had a powerful machine behind her that was blatantly obscuring a ton of highly suspicious activity. Kamala's AG history is wide open, and it is pretty heinous.

But this was a terrible choice.
The absolute mud-slinging that happened during the 2019 and 2020 nominee race created some delicious quotes that the GOP can use. I'm certain it's not going to help the Democrats when Kamala Harris called Biden an outright "racist". It's not going to help when the Democrats so desperately want the youth-vote but have a VP who literally said "What do we know about 18-24 year olds? They are stupid they make really bad decisions."

I'm seeing a ton of similarities in this election to 2016 in general. Once again the Democratic establishment has shown itself to be out of touch with the general mood of the country.

poochyena wrote:

The 538 presidential election model is out!
Interestingly enough, they are giving Trump the same odds of winning this election as last. Sorta surprising, I expected Biden to have a slightly higher chance due to polling better in a few swing states.

I've argued before that due to the political environment in this country polls have become utterly unreliable.

To quote Jeffrey Gundlach the billionaire bond investor who called the 2016 election correctly.

""I think polls are very, very squishy right now because of the highly toxic political environment in which we live, two-thirds of conservatives or moderate conservatives say that they have lied about their support for Donald Trump either directly or by omission."

This aligns with the survey by Cato conducted, where they have found that "Majorities of Democrats (52%), independents (59%) and Republicans (77%) all agree they have political opinions they are afraid to share."

"Strong liberals stand out, however, as the only political group who feel they can express themselves. Nearly 6 in 10 (58%) of staunch liberals feel they can say what they believe. However, centrist liberals feel differently. A slim majority (52%) of liberals feel they have to self‐​censor, as do 64% of moderates, and 77% of conservatives."

If this is true, and I believe it is (from personal experience) then it would suggest that there is such thing as a "silent majority" which is too afraid to speak out their political opinions and thus are not really heard across the social political landscape. It doesn't help when a lot of political news media tends to often rely on sharing tweets as a frequent source of where the people's opinions are.

Twitter?
Yes.
The Atlantic ran this article earlier this year.

Key point from the article:
"According to a 2019 analysis by Pew Research Center, 22 percent of adults in the U.S. use Twitter, but just 10 percent of those adults are responsible for 80 percent of tweets."

"The president of the United States, famously, cannot be torn from Twitter; the chair of the Federal Reserve and several Supreme Court justices reportedly consult it for news, gossip, and debate."

"Twitter is especially beloved by the press, and the unfortunate affinity that journalists and policy makers have for the social network means that--as with politics itself--you may not care about Twitter, but it cares about you, especially if you’ve just done something embarrassing on national television. Reformed Twitter users who’ve quit the service talk about how tweets are inescapable. They are embedded in news stories, screencapped for Instagram, and quoted on TV shows and podcasts."

A much more somber study by the Center for Journalism Review

Came to even more somber conclusions, pointing out how utterly pervasive the relationship that news media and Twitter has.

What I am getting to is this: The political camps on both sides rely on any and all information to get a feel to where the American people's opinions, grievances, issues, etc, are. Journalism and Twitter have become a very distorted looking glass into that information. I think that the distortion is so heavy that too often the people making the decisions out there are making it based on what literally 2-3% of Americans talk about.

But, here's the bigger issue: If let's say there is a massive segment of our society that is too afraid to share their true opinions in any way that anyone in the political arena can hear it, then how would anyone know what the true feeling of the country is?

>I've argued before that due to the political environment in this country polls have become utterly unreliable.

This gets said every year, and it never ends up being true.

poochyena wrote:

>I've argued before that due to the political environment in this country polls have become utterly unreliable.

This gets said every year, and it never ends up being true.

We've had 4 years of good examples of it being true. You know it. We all know it.

Penis Miller wrote:

Anyone getting Hillary vibes from the branding forming around Kamala Harris right now? Zero charisma ghoul being turned into a savior cult.

Actually, with some thought. I am getting serious McCain Palin vibes.

wtf are you talking about? The polls have been very accurate over the past 4 years. Look at polling averages and look at election outcomes, you'll see they are all fairly accurate. VERY few upsets. Look at 2016 presidential election, or the dem primaries, or 2018 midterms.

You mean all the polls that showed that the Democrats will win in 2016?
Or all those polls about the so called Blue Wave 2 years ago when the Democrats were projected to sweep the House and Senate in 2018?
All those polls that are predicting massive victory for Biden – despite that every time he goes on camera he makes a total fool of himself?
The only polls that are consistently right, lately, have been about the Democrat's nominee process – gee I wonder why (let's be honest, Biden was the guarantee shoe-in before the whole thing even started the DNC is a corrupt shit show).

And why are we so eager to focus on these polls? Is it because people like to use polls to justify their positions by some sort of "scientific" method? Oh – look at that – this poll shows that people really like my idea or my candidate – therefore the idea should be implemented or nominated?
Or is it that the polling data itself can actually influence election outcomes like some have said it did during the 1996 election between Bob Dole and Bill Clinton – where polls showed such wide margins between Dole and Clinton it had a massive low voter turnout – as people felt it didn't even matter?

Do we ever even question the methodology? Do we ever even wonder the myriad of complex forces that may skew the polls? Do we consider that – God Forbid – the person responding to the polls may be actually lying?

To quote Jennifer Stromer-Galley, researcher of digital politics and campaigning at Syracuse University, "At the end of the day, the news media uses public opinion polls to drive stories, they’re more a device used by journalists to capture attention around a story than a meaningful, newsworthy piece of information.”

These same journalists – who largely have a love-hate relationship with Trump (they love the money he brings them, they hate the man) – exist in a bubble. Overwhelmingly, modern journalism lives in a bubble completely bereft of any understanding or connection to the people they supposedly try to interpret the opinions or values of.

Chewybunny wrote:

Actually, with some thought. I am getting serious McCain Palin vibes.

At least McCain had his wits about him and Palin had qualities that made her likable as a person, politics not with standing.

Now combine that with their quiet approval of the Rioters and Looters in the major cities and the open face grifters of the BLM, they are poised to give Trump a Reagan level land slide victory.

Chewybunny wrote:

You mean all the polls that showed that the Democrats will win in 2016?
Or all those polls about the so called Blue Wave 2 years ago when the Democrats were projected to sweep the House and Senate in 2018?
All those polls that are predicting massive victory for Biden – despite that every time he goes on camera he makes a total fool of himself?
The only polls that are consistently right, lately, have been about the Democrat's nominee process – gee I wonder why (let's be honest, Biden was the guarantee shoe-in before the whole thing even started the DNC is a corrupt shit show).

And why are we so eager to focus on these polls? Is it because people like to use polls to justify their positions by some sort of "scientific" method? Oh – look at that – this poll shows that people really like my idea or my candidate – therefore the idea should be implemented or nominated?
Or is it that the polling data itself can actually influence election outcomes like some have said it did during the 1996 election between Bob Dole and Bill Clinton – where polls showed such wide margins between Dole and Clinton it had a massive low voter turnout – as people felt it didn't even matter?

Do we ever even question the methodology? Do we ever even wonder the myriad of complex forces that may skew the polls? Do we consider that – God Forbid – the person responding to the polls may be actually lying?

To quote Jennifer Stromer-Galley, researcher of digital politics and campaigning at Syracuse University, "At the end of the day, the news media uses public opinion polls to drive stories, they’re more a device used by journalists to capture attention around a story than a meaningful, newsworthy piece of information.”

These same journalists – who largely have a love-hate relationship with Trump (they love the money he brings them, they hate the man) – exist in a bubble. Overwhelmingly, modern journalism lives in a bubble completely bereft of any understanding or connection to the people they supposedly try to interpret the opinions or values of.

Ah yes, the Left never understood the power and volume of the Silent Majority.

Due to the Left's use of Cancel Culture and their love of animal levels of savagery and physical violence, the majority of people shut up and keep what they think to themselves. Even to pollsters. But they have long memories and longer grudges,. They will let their revenge come on election day to sweep Trump back into office. Even if it is just to give the Left the biggest FU the world has ever seen.

@Chewybunny

No, i'm not, because thats not what the polls said. I said polls, what you are referring to is the media narrative of the elections. Look at the data for yourself and show me how the polls were wrong. I'll be waiting.

They accidentally saying the quiet thing loudly

Last edited Aug 13, 2020 at 10:30AM EDT

can't imagine why….

UAE and Israel make peace.

"Israel and the UAE agreed to full normalization of relations in a phone call with US President Donald Trump on Thursday, marking the first peace treaty between Israel and an Arab country in 25 years."

The US, Israel and UAE have been in talks for a while regarding this peace deal. In exchange for the peace-deal the annexation process will be suspended.

This is actually a huge deal for the Middle East. For the longest time the idea behind the Arab Peace Initiative was that any normalization of relations would come at the conclusion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That it is no longer the issue says a lot about the changing landscape of the geo-politics of the region. This shows that the Arab Peace Initiative requirements for any normalization based on ending the conflict is no longer a major issue.

This could also start triggering a domino effect where other countries may normalizing their relationship with Israel.

This has been an ongoing process for the last few years. In 2018, Netanyahu secretely visited Oman, visiting Qaboos bin Said al Said in Muscat. It was an extremely productive visit Yousuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah, the sultanate’s minister responsible for foreign affairs, told a security summit in Bahrain: Israel is a state present in the region, and we all understand this, the world is also aware of this fact. Maybe it is time for Israel to be treated the same [as others states] and also bear the same obligations."

Oman is considered a Switzerland of the Middle East – it is largely neutral and plays a huge role in diplomatic relations.

Other countries on the horizon also include Bahrain, which has been stepping up it's relation building with Israel. Bahrain has stated that they are highly supportive of this UAE Israeli peace deal. Perhaps they may follow suit:

Penis Miller wrote:

I mean after the Muslim world decided it was fine with whatever China did to the Uyghurs most people should have assumed they would turn on the Palestinians at some point.

To be fair, they haven't really been on the Palestinian side. The Palestinians have only one real service for the Arab world: a hammer against the Israelis. One only has to look at how their "Arab cousins" (their words not mine) treat them in their host countries. In Lebanon they are worse than second class citizens – unable to even access certain jobs. In Syria they are routinely bombed with little outcry from the rest of the world. Jordan is desperately afraid of them, because as the only country in the region with a majority Palestinian population, they know they can't afford another uprising and risk deposing the Hashemite Kingdom. Egypt blockades Gaza as much as Israel does with little outcry. After WW2, in Europe, there were millions of refugees, millions, and they were all resettled in different countries – many of them German, with no expectation to be resettled back in their homelands. The expectation was that host countries would adopt them. But no such respite is given to the Palestinians.

There are more people in Europe that care about Palestinians than there are in the middle east. The last few years – roughly the last 6 years or so – the game on the ground has so radically changed, this 50 year old conflict is no longer interesting. In negotiations the best chance the Palestinians had was in 2008. Since then their position has steadily decreased. And is increasingly dropping.

Personally, I think the best solution for them is to accept the Sinai Option. Establish a new Palestinian State in the Sinai with Gaza being it's capitol. This gives them 3 times as much as land as they want now, with access to the Sea – allowing for prosperity, without absurd borders and divided country.

Last edited Aug 13, 2020 at 07:36PM EDT

poochyena wrote:

They accidentally saying the quiet thing loudly

They're monsters.
All of them.
And they're so arrogant, they're giving their game away and think they can get away with it.

Last edited Aug 13, 2020 at 09:21PM EDT

Penis Miller wrote:

The United States need international oversight for its elections. We should have had it after the Supreme Court hand picked the winner in 2000. The US can no longer hold fair elections.

It gets worse.
Internal USPS documents show plans to cripple mail sorting.

Louis DeJoy was also the deputair finance co-chair of the RNC.

Last edited Aug 14, 2020 at 02:41PM EDT

Penis Miller wrote:

The United States need international oversight for its elections. We should have had it after the Supreme Court hand picked the winner in 2000. The US can no longer hold fair elections.

Enitre point of international oversight is impartiality, with a decision as far reaching in it's consequences as the president of the USA, there are no impartial actors. You would merely be shifting the target of corruption, one that will be coopted and abused as all deferalls have been. Be it the WHO, the UN, the Olympics, what have you; it is inevitable.

As typical of politics such pointless proposals are made only by those who dont already have control.

Last edited Aug 14, 2020 at 04:19PM EDT

If I thought that I would have said it.

It doesnt matter if this is as the democrats say and Trump is supressing a section of the population that votes democrat naturally, or if it is as trump says and he is countering an avenue by which the democrats want to cheat.

Neither possibility, nor a combination of both changse the fact that international oversight would not stop either cheating and the only reason either party would even consider it is when they dont already have control.

Also I dont buy for a second that the aggreived party gives a shit about the principle of the thing, if they do consider arbitration it would only be to gain the chance of taking control for themselves.

Last edited Aug 14, 2020 at 05:25PM EDT

Sounds like you are basing things on a pessimistic fantasy rather than reality. trump is objectively suppressing votes. Democrats, are not. To suggest both parties are the same in cheating is ignorance.

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