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Why am I not suprised you got it into your head the guy was a white supremacist who shot 3 people for no reason.

He shot one person who was chasing him at the had of a moltov chucking mob, and once he tripped proceeded to shoot two others who had caught up to him and were attempting to bludgeon him with a skateboard /trying to shoot him while wearing a paramedic hat incidentally.

What the rioters did and still do is rob, burn and kill, often randomly; Targeting people and places who had not taken any action against themselves in response to events that had little if not nothing to do with the people and places they attacked.

The former is justifyable defense of life that only occured because the proper authorities had failed to do thier jobs and suppress a riot like so many times previously.

The second is unjustifyable theft, destruction of property and outright muder that in this case occured despite the proper authoritues doing thier jobs and shooting a home invading teen-rapist who was resisting arrest after two attempts to subdue him without lethal force failed and he was in the process of reaching for something his car despite officers shouting at him not to.

While your's and tucker's arguments may have the same structure; his is justified.

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Correction: I cannot confirm it was a molotov, it appears it was a bottle in a plastic bag that the lighting and the camera made look like a molotov. I made an assumption thinking it was one of the moltovs the county sheriff had mentioned being thrown previously.

Quite why the man thought it was a good idea to charge the rifle wielding teen only armed with a bottle in a bag I cannot fathom.

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I think we're missing the point here:
The kid was illegally owning a firearm, crossing state lines, to take part in something that had nothing to do with his community.

He was looking for trouble, and he got it.

Charged with murder across two states.

Well if it sets your mind at ease Penis Miller, he was a sex offender

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>Why am I not suprised you got it into your head the guy was a white supremacist

Is he not? That's what I've been hearing, that the dude frequented known White supremacy sites.

>While your's and tucker's arguments may have the same structure; his is justified.

No he's not. He still came across state borders to a riot with a gun. This isn't some guy caught in the middle of a riot defending himself, he put himself in the riot with a gun, he had no reason to that other than hoping to shoot someone.

>Is he not? That's what I've been hearing, that the dude frequented known White supremacy sites.

Well, he wasnt running around in a Klan outfit and of the people he was driven to shoot all were white. Best the media snoops found was he likes guns and supports blue lives matter.

I was hearing it was a molotov cocktail thrown, turns out what we hear isnt always true. If what you hear thinks being pro cop is a sign of white supremacy I would suggets you hear somewhere else.

>No he's not. He still came across state borders to a riot with a gun. This isn't some guy caught in the middle of a riot defending himself, he put himself in the riot with a gun, he had no reason to that other than hoping to shoot someone.

No, you think he has no reason. He on the other hand, along with an increasing number of people across the country, believed they should patrol areas affected armed so as to protect people and property from the rioters.

That he came across the state is wierd to point out in terms of motivation, could mean anything from a 30 minute drive from illunois right next to it to a 10 hour exodus from north minnesota. Legally I am unable to comment beyond speculation: I think being 17 might not be much of an issue for posession, in most states posession can go down as low as 12 when considering guardianship. Age might be an issue but wisconsin has a couple hunting laws that could be argued to allow people aged 16 and up to open carry.

Either way these are misdemeanor offences at most.

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>He on the other hand, along with an increasing number of people across the country, believed they should patrol areas affected armed so as to protect people and property from the rioters.

That's such a croc of bullshit I'm surprised anyone believed it, either way, that is not morally nor legally justifiable even if it is true. You are not the law, you have no right to go into another state and play cop.

>Either way these are misdemeanor offences at most.

Crossing state lines with the express purpose of shooting someone is not a misdemeanor.

Greyblades wrote:

Well if it sets your mind at ease Penis Miller, he was a sex offender

Alright

A.) People having a criminal record does not justify killing them

B.) There is no possibility that Kyle knew the people he killed had criminal records when he killed them Making this an excuse after the fact to try to blame the victims.

C.) If he did know who the people he killed had criminal records, that would mean it was a premeditated murder (see point A).

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BrentD15 wrote:

I think we're missing the point here:
The kid was illegally owning a firearm, crossing state lines, to take part in something that had nothing to do with his community.

He was looking for trouble, and he got it.

Charged with murder across two states.

There ought not be anything close to the idea of "illegally owning a firearm".
People that want to use fire arms to hurt others will get those fire arms. And anyone who wants to defend themselves should use a fire arm to do so. This isn't about the second amendment.
Your right to self defense transcends someone else's moral paranoia.

End. Of. Story.

Downvote me all you want.

Chewybunny wrote:

There ought not be anything close to the idea of "illegally owning a firearm".
People that want to use fire arms to hurt others will get those fire arms. And anyone who wants to defend themselves should use a fire arm to do so. This isn't about the second amendment.
Your right to self defense transcends someone else's moral paranoia.

End. Of. Story.

Downvote me all you want.

There are limits to the ownership of a firearm for a very good reason.

And this Kyle Rittenhouse is one of those reasons.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

>He on the other hand, along with an increasing number of people across the country, believed they should patrol areas affected armed so as to protect people and property from the rioters.

That's such a croc of bullshit I'm surprised anyone believed it, either way, that is not morally nor legally justifiable even if it is true. You are not the law, you have no right to go into another state and play cop.

>Either way these are misdemeanor offences at most.

Crossing state lines with the express purpose of shooting someone is not a misdemeanor.

So you response to what you see as a crock of bullshit is to replace it with a different crock of bullshit? Kind of difficult to establish express purpose of killing someone when the deaths occur while the pwrportrator was in the process of running for his life.

I dont get why you are treating the crossing of a state line as establishing intent; if you'd look at a map you'd know the closest state line was literally ten minutes south, its an incidental, adds a legal charge to the list of whichever prosecutor is assigned to him but thats it.

Penis Miller wrote:
A.) People having a criminal record does not justify killing them.
B.) There is no possibility that Kyle knew the people he killed had criminal records when he killed them Making this an excuse after the fact to try to blame the victims.
C.) If he did know who the people he killed had criminal records, that would mean it was a premeditated murder (see point A).

Good thing none of that was the purpose of my post.

In the middle of a riot this person charged an armed man, who had not done harm up to that point, and was in the process of trying to flee from him. That is what earned him his well deserved darwin award.

That he was a convicted sex offender is icing on the cake of thinking him as some poor innocent bystander.

Oh and he was running around shouting "shoot me nigger" in the preceeding hours, make of that what you will.

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>I dont get why you are treating the crossing of a state line as establishing intent;

I dont get why you are treating the crossing of a state line as establishing intent

I'm done, Poochy is gone but his spirit lives on.

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Chewybunny wrote:

There ought not be anything close to the idea of "illegally owning a firearm".
People that want to use fire arms to hurt others will get those fire arms. And anyone who wants to defend themselves should use a fire arm to do so. This isn't about the second amendment.
Your right to self defense transcends someone else's moral paranoia.

End. Of. Story.

Downvote me all you want.

Gladly, brcause you’re completely wrong
by your infalible logic nothing should be illegal to own

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Gladly, brcause you’re completely wrong
by your infalible logic nothing should be illegal to own

"nuclear devices should be free for everyone"
- fibrous rabbit

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

>I dont get why you are treating the crossing of a state line as establishing intent;

I dont get why you are treating the crossing of a state line as establishing intent

I'm done, Poochy is gone but his spirit lives on.

The legend never dies

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Ryumaru Borike wrote:

>I dont get why you are treating the crossing of a state line as establishing intent;

I dont get why you are treating the crossing of a state line as establishing intent

I'm done, Poochy is gone but his spirit lives on.

Oy, so begins the posturing.

Your assertion of him having "the express purpose of shooting someone" does not get any more valid by him crossing state lines in his journey to the city than if he had come from a city on the same side of the line.

Explain otherwise or dont, just spare me your audience play.

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Greyblades wrote:

Oy, so begins the posturing.

Your assertion of him having "the express purpose of shooting someone" does not get any more valid by him crossing state lines in his journey to the city than if he had come from a city on the same side of the line.

Explain otherwise or dont, just spare me your audience play.

Fine, here's my last word on this inane debate. He wasn't acting in self-defense, he intentionally traveled miles and states to a known riot with a gun with the intent to confront rioters, meaning he intended to use the gun. He intentionally traveled to an unsafe location with a gun, traveling there in the first place specifically because it was unsafe.

If you can't understand this extremely simple and self-evident concept, then I might as well be arguing with poochy.

BrentD15 wrote:

There are limits to the ownership of a firearm for a very good reason.

And this Kyle Rittenhouse is one of those reasons.

There are no good reasons.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a good reason to own a firearm to protect yourself. From Kyle Rittenhouse.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

Fine, here's my last word on this inane debate. He wasn't acting in self-defense, he intentionally traveled miles and states to a known riot with a gun with the intent to confront rioters, meaning he intended to use the gun. He intentionally traveled to an unsafe location with a gun, traveling there in the first place specifically because it was unsafe.

If you can't understand this extremely simple and self-evident concept, then I might as well be arguing with poochy.

By your logic nobody should accept security guard jobs in places with a reputation for needing security, they would be "knowingly going someplace where they would likely have to hurt someone."

Wrazid wrote:

By your logic nobody should accept security guard jobs in places with a reputation for needing security, they would be "knowingly going someplace where they would likely have to hurt someone."

By your logic, murder should not be illegal because one can become a soldier. We can't outlaw people coming into people's home to take things or else movers lose their jobs.

Security guards are only permitted to guard the property or persons of the employer, they are not allowed to go to a third party area to guard it of their own volition and expect to be protected under the same legality of their job. Security guards must also clearly be security guards and only have authority their employer can legally give them, again, to guard the employers private property or their person.

You cannot go into a riot, pick a building to guard, shoot someone, and then say "I was protecting the store", it's not the same. You cannot just say your a security guard for someone elses property and expect the same legal or moral protections.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

You don't need an ar15 for self defense

Depends on how many people you need to defend yourself from, I think the lynch mob victims back in the 1800s really could have used one.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

By your logic, murder should not be illegal because one can become a soldier. We can't outlaw people coming into people's home to take things or else movers lose their jobs.

Security guards are only permitted to guard the property or persons of the employer, they are not allowed to go to a third party area to guard it of their own volition and expect to be protected under the same legality of their job. Security guards must also clearly be security guards and only have authority their employer can legally give them, again, to guard the employers private property or their person.

You cannot go into a riot, pick a building to guard, shoot someone, and then say "I was protecting the store", it's not the same. You cannot just say your a security guard for someone elses property and expect the same legal or moral protections.

I have yet to voice my opinion on killing legalities in here so "my logic" your trying dispute is a straw-man. Stop that, it's bad form.

I have a few things to say about Rittenhouse, and I'm sorry if I sound like goddamn Poochy, but fuck him. If you shoot someone in a large group setting out of self defense, it's your duty to deescalate, drop your weapon, explain the situation & wait for the police to come. If anything the "mob" was trying to defend itself. After firing his four shots, the attackers both come for him when he points his rifle at a crowd of people, attempting to stop him from shooting.

This man came for the express purpose of taking lives, crossing state lines to do so with his mother, and was defended by the police. Now I know that the riots are awful, that cities have burnt, and how insane the autonomous zones truly are. But think about it. HE didn't have property to protect. Their skateboards weren't for deadly force.

I thought for so long that KYM was better than this, but their conservative to a fault hivemind convinced me otherwise. You disgust me. I'm out.

I have a few things to say about Rittenhouse, and I'm sorry if I sound like goddamn Poochy, but fuck him. If you shoot someone in a large group setting out of self defense, it's your duty to deescalate, drop your weapon, explain the situation & wait for the police to come.

This man came for the express purpose of taking lives, crossing state lines to do so with his mother, and was defended by the police. Now I know that the riots are awful, that cities have burnt, and how insane the autonomous zones truly are. But think about it. HE didn't have property to protect. All he got was a plastic bag to the head. If anything the "mob" was trying to defend itself. After firing his four shots, the attackers both come for him when he points his rifle at a crowd of people, with three people attempting to stop him from shooting.

I thought for so long that KYM was better than this, but their conservative, anti-progressive to a fault hivemind convinced me otherwise. You disgust me. I'm out.

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Wrazid wrote:

You used it on an argument I did not make.

>This offical job someone asked you to do and gave you legal permission to do and this crime you did of your own volition are the same thing because ad reductum

Kenetic Kups wrote:

You don't need an ar15 for self defense

I think ultimately civilians need ways to defend themselves from the state, and that means civilians needing some kind of access to "military" style weapons. The fault is who the state decides is "allowed" to use them.

Considering that the United State's toughest gun laws were pushed by hardcore Conservatives for the purpose of stopping Blacks from owning guns.

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Penis Miller wrote:

I think ultimately civilians need ways to defend themselves from the state, and that means civilians needing some kind of access to "military" style weapons. The fault is who the state decides is "allowed" to use them.

Considering that the United State's toughest gun laws were pushed by hardcore Conservatives for the purpose of stopping Blacks from owning guns.

Civilians cannot fight the state in the current year, technology has eliminated that possibility

thebigguy123 wrote:

I have a few things to say about Rittenhouse, and I'm sorry if I sound like goddamn Poochy, but fuck him. If you shoot someone in a large group setting out of self defense, it's your duty to deescalate, drop your weapon, explain the situation & wait for the police to come. If anything the "mob" was trying to defend itself. After firing his four shots, the attackers both come for him when he points his rifle at a crowd of people, attempting to stop him from shooting.

This man came for the express purpose of taking lives, crossing state lines to do so with his mother, and was defended by the police. Now I know that the riots are awful, that cities have burnt, and how insane the autonomous zones truly are. But think about it. HE didn't have property to protect. Their skateboards weren't for deadly force.

I thought for so long that KYM was better than this, but their conservative to a fault hivemind convinced me otherwise. You disgust me. I'm out.

1) Self preservation and defense is paramount. Full stop. You do not have a duty to de-escalate a mob. You should not put your own life at risk for the sake of having a bunch of cops show up to defend you – especially when there is a mob that is effectively hostile to the cops. You have no duty to trust the power of your local government to do something they are not obligated to do. I don't have faith in the LAPD. I don't have faith in someone else coming to my rescue. At the end of the day, the responsibility to defend myself or my family, is on me. The mob has effectively destroyed the high-trust that glues our society together. I have no faith in it.

2) Evidently, he may not even be crossing state lines.

3) I am not a conservative. What made me transition from a 2nd amendment supporter a near-total-anarchist on the issue of gun-ownership is this:

This was hung up on the 405 Freeway, less than 10 miles away from where I live, 5 days ago.
In Los Angeles, in an area that is has a high number of Jews living there. As I drove home today from one of my classes, it dawned harder than ever before, my people do not have allies. I may have allies in friends, and other individuals, but as a collective – who do we turn to? The Black Israelites who call me a literal devil? Who strip me of my identity? The so-called Progressives obsessed demanding that the only nation that would grant me any kind of sancutary if shit hits the fan, should be destroyed? The right-wing groypers who hang up a sign like this in one of the most liberal, progressive cities on the west coast and it doesn't even make it into LA TIMES?

I only have one ally. And that is a weapon.
Full stop.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Civilians cannot fight the state in the current year, technology has eliminated that possibility

In the US, this hasn't been fully tried.
However, I doubt that a full scale violent resistance to a violent regime would favor the state.

Chewybunny wrote:

There are no good reasons.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a good reason to own a firearm to protect yourself. From Kyle Rittenhouse.

Almost like there's an air of distrust towards our fellow Americans.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Civilians cannot fight the state in the current year, technology has eliminated that possibility

I can't accept this line of thinking because it would mean believing your only option is to hope for the State's benevolence.

BrentD15 wrote:

Almost like there's an air of distrust towards our fellow Americans.

You think?
There has been a long-time creep of transition from a high-trust society to a low-trust society. Fueled by technological, cultural, and economic anxieties. And in my opinion the problems have been exacerbated by the transition of public forums – from personal to impersonal, from random, to tightly woven algorithms. The echo chambers we've been creating for a decade and a half have made it that anyone outside of this circle is no longer trustworthy. Even today, much of the public discourse seeks blame on groups of people – rather than individuals. This isn't just a division on political grounds – even that is becoming increasingly clear. Low trust societies become more collective, they become ever increasingly focused on authoritarian mechanisms to enforce trust between individuals – laws, regulations, contracts, etc. Reversing this course means embracing some seriously uncomfortable truths and positions, across the political and cultural board.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

Fine, here's my last word on this inane debate. He wasn't acting in self-defense, he intentionally traveled miles and states to a known riot with a gun with the intent to confront rioters, meaning he intended to use the gun. He intentionally traveled to an unsafe location with a gun, traveling there in the first place specifically because it was unsafe.

If you can't understand this extremely simple and self-evident concept, then I might as well be arguing with poochy.

Funny, the part that reminds me of Poochy is your belief that self defense can be percluded by carrying a weapon, intentionally travelling to an unsafe area, or crossing a state line. The belief you cant carry a weapon and not be itching to use it at the first opportunity is also very poochy-like.

Comparing people to a pariah for not believing what you do is very poochy-, etc etc. Goddamn tiresome.

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Penis Miller wrote:

I can't accept this line of thinking because it would mean believing your only option is to hope for the State's benevolence.

You shouldn't accept this line of thinking. Especially in the context of the US.
First, revolutions live or die mostly on the allegiance of the military. To whom are the military loyal to? During much of history the militaries were often loyal to their liege lords, their generals, or their sovereigns. A successful revolution occurs often when a military, or a significant portion of the military no longer support the current regime.

The US Military swears their oath and allegiance to the Constitution. This is the oath for US Armed Forces:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God).""

Not the generals. Not the president. Not congress. Not the supreme court. Not the country. But the constitution.

Second, we've not yet seen such a violent resistance from a country where a massive size of it's people are armed with weapons. We cannot really make a comparison to what such a scenario would like like in the US compared to somewhere else in the world. What we can do is make assessments on what we've encountered so far.
Would such a war be like the Civil War where some states secede – allowing for a creation of their own militaries and pitting one military against another? Would it be city-to-city skirmishes like we're seeing today when the military is called in to quell riots?

Three, military technology as it is currently in developed would not be widely used against US cities due to risk of major civilian losses. Most combat would turn into urban warfare, one of the most difficult means of combat. Urban Warfare negates certain technological advantages: air support, and artillery. If one is to look at the Battle of Grozny, in 1994, as an example, a small troupe of ambushers armed with anti-tank weapons decimated an entire column of tanks. Air support becomes virtually impossible to conduct if the attacking-side wants to reduce civilian casualties. Now, looking at the Battle of Grozny, even though the Russians won against the technologically, inferior Chechens, it resulted in massive casualties for the Russians – and complete obliteration of army morale. In the end, the Chechens were able to retake the city and end the war. This is a decent example of what a very modern military engagement with an inferior force can accomplish.

To be fair, though, the only modern military that I can think of that has seriously developed tactics and strategy in Urban warfare may be the IDF. But even those tactics largely are designed for a specific kind of enemy – with fore-knowledge of what kind of armaments are deployed against them.

And Morale is a huge element that I think most people do not put into US context. Imagine ordering some soldiers from Los Angeles to start shelling the city. Would they wonder if their brothers, sisters, mother or father, or friends would become casualties in the list? Our families in the US are often spread across states – our military is composed of recruits from almost every state, almost every city. They aren't divided on ethnic lines, religious lines, they don't hold allegiances to arbitrary things like nationality, unlike the Chechens fighting the Russians (Both, of whom were, only a decade before, under the same Soviet banner). I think a prolonged conflict where civilian casualties start mounting would take massive toll on the morale of the military.

Keep in mind, most of what I wrote is conjecture. We don't really have much to go off on, as the US is a very unique situation. But I will say with certainty that the idea that US military might and technological advantage in armaments is not really a good advantage that it can use against it's own. The idea that the US military can easily obliterate a massive uprising against the state in the US is highly improbable. If such a scenario does occur, and the US military does win (for the "state" whatever that means) , it would be one hell of a bloody, prolonged, destructive affair that would leave the country scarred for centuries.

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Penis Miller wrote:

I can't accept this line of thinking because it would mean believing your only option is to hope for the State's benevolence.

You wouldnt just have to hope for its benevolence, you would put your life in the hands of its ability and its competence.

Even in the good old days of my country's policing being the best in the world thier reaction time was still limited; whether the depths of the countryside or the heart of a city you still had plenty of times when the police arrived too late and people were killed as much by a criminal as the random bad luck of not having any police close enough at a particular time.

Personally I dont believe getting rid of guns outright saved many lives as much as it traded one set of victims for another, and too many of them from unlucky criminals to defenseless innocents.

What we really cut down on was bloodstained headlines, which is all our politicians ever goddamn cared about.

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Penis Miller wrote:

I can't accept this line of thinking because it would mean believing your only option is to hope for the State's benevolence.

That's how it works
weather or not you want to accept it is up to you

Chewybunny wrote:

You shouldn't accept this line of thinking. Especially in the context of the US.
First, revolutions live or die mostly on the allegiance of the military. To whom are the military loyal to? During much of history the militaries were often loyal to their liege lords, their generals, or their sovereigns. A successful revolution occurs often when a military, or a significant portion of the military no longer support the current regime.

The US Military swears their oath and allegiance to the Constitution. This is the oath for US Armed Forces:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God).""

Not the generals. Not the president. Not congress. Not the supreme court. Not the country. But the constitution.

Second, we've not yet seen such a violent resistance from a country where a massive size of it's people are armed with weapons. We cannot really make a comparison to what such a scenario would like like in the US compared to somewhere else in the world. What we can do is make assessments on what we've encountered so far.
Would such a war be like the Civil War where some states secede – allowing for a creation of their own militaries and pitting one military against another? Would it be city-to-city skirmishes like we're seeing today when the military is called in to quell riots?

Three, military technology as it is currently in developed would not be widely used against US cities due to risk of major civilian losses. Most combat would turn into urban warfare, one of the most difficult means of combat. Urban Warfare negates certain technological advantages: air support, and artillery. If one is to look at the Battle of Grozny, in 1994, as an example, a small troupe of ambushers armed with anti-tank weapons decimated an entire column of tanks. Air support becomes virtually impossible to conduct if the attacking-side wants to reduce civilian casualties. Now, looking at the Battle of Grozny, even though the Russians won against the technologically, inferior Chechens, it resulted in massive casualties for the Russians – and complete obliteration of army morale. In the end, the Chechens were able to retake the city and end the war. This is a decent example of what a very modern military engagement with an inferior force can accomplish.

To be fair, though, the only modern military that I can think of that has seriously developed tactics and strategy in Urban warfare may be the IDF. But even those tactics largely are designed for a specific kind of enemy – with fore-knowledge of what kind of armaments are deployed against them.

And Morale is a huge element that I think most people do not put into US context. Imagine ordering some soldiers from Los Angeles to start shelling the city. Would they wonder if their brothers, sisters, mother or father, or friends would become casualties in the list? Our families in the US are often spread across states – our military is composed of recruits from almost every state, almost every city. They aren't divided on ethnic lines, religious lines, they don't hold allegiances to arbitrary things like nationality, unlike the Chechens fighting the Russians (Both, of whom were, only a decade before, under the same Soviet banner). I think a prolonged conflict where civilian casualties start mounting would take massive toll on the morale of the military.

Keep in mind, most of what I wrote is conjecture. We don't really have much to go off on, as the US is a very unique situation. But I will say with certainty that the idea that US military might and technological advantage in armaments is not really a good advantage that it can use against it's own. The idea that the US military can easily obliterate a massive uprising against the state in the US is highly improbable. If such a scenario does occur, and the US military does win (for the "state" whatever that means) , it would be one hell of a bloody, prolonged, destructive affair that would leave the country scarred for centuries.

The military would utterly and completely side with the state

Kenetic Kups wrote:

The military would utterly and completely side with the state

I sincerely doubt that it would.
And even if it did, it would still go up against well armed citizenry.
As I pointed out, the fighting would be prolonged, and would take severe damage to troop morale – especially if civilian casualties start sky rocketing. If the military wants to avoid that they will have no choice but to engage in urban-warfare, going up against guerrillas, ambushes, etc.

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