Mitt Romney was booed last night during the Utah Republican Convention. They called him a "traitor" and a "communist" because he was the only Republican to impeach Trump twice. There was also a motion to censure him during the convention, but that failed.
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Blue Yoshi wrote:
Mitt Romney was booed last night during the Utah Republican Convention. They called him a "traitor" and a "communist" because he was the only Republican to impeach Trump twice. There was also a motion to censure him during the convention, but that failed.
What happened to the Republican party?
Greyblades
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What should have happened to the deomcrats 4 years ago; it bucked it's neos.
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@BrentD15 Trump just show their true face.
Chewybunny wrote:
I wish I knew how.
I understand that everyone's emotions are at their peak. Righteous indignation feels awesome, I know. But I also know that majority of people that are participating in this theater don't really have much of a realistic view on long term realistic solutions. It's all for the hot-take man. The Instagram shot. The fist sign. The tithe to the churches, while the priests buy lavish multi million dollar homes in Topanga Canyon. And dare, absolutely dare, call any of this shit out and you're branded with a giant R on your chest.
I don't know that there is a realistic solution that does not involve the end of the US through either balkanization or revolution.
The only way you stop the scapegoating and divide and conquering is to have a politically homogeneous population – that is, you need to make people see themselves as one nation. I don't think that is possible in the US anymore. Not only is the US fractured on racial lines, it is fractured on political (maga republican vs neocon vs neoliberal vs socialist), geographic (north vs south, coastal vs midwest, urban vs rural), and class lines.
That said I think the most likely outcome is that this is just the new normal and rioting and insurgency continues for another 100 years.
Still I just hope Trump doesnt become relevant again. Let the past stay in the past you know?
Turuntula wrote:
Still I just hope Trump doesnt become relevant again. Let the past stay in the past you know?
Trump's support didn't come out of nowhere. While I'm likewise glad to see the buffoon gone, until the issues he championed – mainly those pertaining to an inward focus on economic development – are either addressed or sufficiently shoved under the rug, there will be more like him.
I am glad to see the Biden administration at least pay lip service to some of them.
Turuntula wrote:
Still I just hope Trump doesnt become relevant again. Let the past stay in the past you know?
Trump will be relevant for far longer than any of you imagine. Hate his rhetoric all you want, but his policies have deeply shifted the direction of this country and the geopolitical world, that cannot, will not be, undone by the current administration or the next. Furthermore, Trump tapped into a part of America that was simmering in rage, and found a political outlet in Trump. You may not have a Trump run in 2024, but you may have a GOP candidate that shares some of the right-populist views that Trump had run, and – since they aren't Trump, may actually win.
To be specific:
Trump greatly exacerbated the US retreat from much of the older-global affairs, this is something that isn't going to come back.
Trump pivoted much of the US foreign policy out of the ME and towards China – both parties have a growing majority of people who view China with severe suspicion and derision. This is a tightrope that is going to be difficult for Biden to juggle, knowing that, personally, he is in favor of positive Chinese relations, but his own base, and the country itself (and the world) is turning against that.
Trump's achievements in the ME peace talks and recongition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital fundamentally shifted the dynamics of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for good, and that's not something Biden is going to undo.
Trump's focus on the immigration issue hasn't gone away with Biden, in fact, it's been exacerbated.
Even Biden's economic policy (to the exception of raising taxes) isn't too far off the chart of what Trump advocated for. The taxes themselves are going to be politically unpopular and I suspect, deeply suspect, they are going to go no where because the Democratic establishment dreads doing anything rash going into 2022.
And when the dust settles. When the cathartic emotional rage that Trump brought out of people fades in the coming years, people will not remember him as the kind of monster people portrayed him to be. Americans forget quite often the achievements or the problems of a Presidency if they can stick to a single major event.
Take Nixon, for example, the man made a lot of positive things for America: Clean Air Act, Pollution standards, the EPA, opened up relations with China. All completely forgotten because of a single scandal that, ultimately, every single President before him was actively doing.
Or. Take FDR, who is so often revered by the history books as guiding America out of the Great Depression, and even constantly looked up to by the Democrats. No one remembers he had literal Fascists crafting the NRA (National Recovery Act), that many of his earliest policies exacerbated the Depression, and had to be rolled back. That he was actually on good terms with Mussolini. No one likes to remember the America of the 1930s, the America where Mussolini had more popularity than he did in Italy. Where Fascism was in vogue that prominent news papers like the New York Times, frequently praised it and made love letters to Il Duce.
Similarly, it was hilarious to me that the same people that despised George W Bush during the early 2000s, came to praise him in the last few years as being sensible.
Americans forget easy. Just give it a decade or two.
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Turuntula wrote:
Still I just hope Trump doesnt become relevant again. Let the past stay in the past you know?
Again? He's still relevant and will be for decades.
The irrelevance ship sailed when voter fraud allegations were met with closed ranked obsruction, Trump's become the republican's Gore – the President denied because the opposition cheated, except this time the man they cheated into office isnt only pretending to be a mentally deficient puppet.
Greyblades wrote:
Again? He's still relevant and will be for decades.
The irrelevance ship sailed when voter fraud allegations were met with closed ranked obsruction, Trump's become the republican's Gore – the President denied because the opposition cheated, except this time the man they cheated into office isnt only pretending to be a mentally deficient puppet.
And if they didn't meet it with closed ranked obstruction but with due diligence and seriousness it would have still yielded, most likely, a victory for Biden anyway. It would have alleviated a lot of the "opposition cheated" rhetoric, would have been far more unifying. It would have made Trump's exit from the Presidency far more permanent. It would have also made it far easier for the Democrats in 2022, since they won't have to contend with a very passionate, and very determined opposition in conservative voters.
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I don't know that there is a realistic solution that does not involve the end of the US through either balkanization or revolution.
The only way you stop the scapegoating and divide and conquering is to have a politically homogeneous population – that is, you need to make people see themselves as one nation. I don't think that is possible in the US anymore. Not only is the US fractured on racial lines, it is fractured on political (maga republican vs neocon vs neoliberal vs socialist), geographic (north vs south, coastal vs midwest, urban vs rural), and class lines.
That said I think the most likely outcome is that this is just the new normal and rioting and insurgency continues for another 100 years.
I've been pointing out that it is becoming increasingly realistic for there to be some major referendums on a potential divorce in US states along some sort of political/geographic axis. And I believe both parties are very responsible for this – both are too myopic in their quest for political power to recognize the long term effects of the division they are creating. But I also think a large segment of this is fueled, directly, by the rise of Social Media and the internet. We do not yet know how to contend with a free-and-open internet that allows foreign and domestic entities actively engage in disinformation and creating political disturbances. We are severely disadvantaged in this.
Our rivals in the world, do, of course. But they aren't nearly as liberal as we are.
Take Chloe Zhao, the Chinese born, American director that just won the academy award for her films. This isn't even mentioned in Chinese media because back in 2013, she had choice words about China. Where as back in the Cold-War era any and all achievements by individuals of respected nations was viewed as a one-up on the other.
HOWEVER, Chloe Zhao is tapped to create a film for Amazon, about Bass Reeves. Now, many people don't know who Bass Reeves is. Bass Reeves was a bad-ass US Marshall, who was the influence for such characters as "The Lone Ranger". But here's the thing. Bass Reeves was born into Slavery, during the Civil War, escaped Slavery and lived with Cherokee, Creeks and Seminoles. This guy is a legend. I am suspecting we are going to see a lot more rhetoric about Asian-Black race crimes in the next few months, while true, is going to be highly pushed by the Chinese government. Especially on places like Tic-Toc which is ripe with Chinese state propaganda.
Anyway, I am ranting. Speaking of China, the Chinese situation may actually be the unifying force for the US, as the US is quickly to unify around a particular cause. We are already in Cold War 2.0, and more nations around the world are effectively declaring their allegiances. South East Asia is creating their own version of NATO, and our entire geopolitical resources are focusing in the Pacific. So, conflict is inevitable, and that conflict may be a unifying force than a divisive one.
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Trumsupporter*1488* account made 12 minutes ago.
LMAO.
Greyblades wrote:
Again? He's still relevant and will be for decades.
The irrelevance ship sailed when voter fraud allegations were met with closed ranked obsruction, Trump's become the republican's Gore – the President denied because the opposition cheated, except this time the man they cheated into office isnt only pretending to be a mentally deficient puppet.
The cheating was in the primaries, not in the actual election
trump would've lost against Sanders
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Kenetic Kups wrote:
The cheating was in the primaries, not in the actual election
trump would've lost against Sanders
You think they'd cheat in one but not the other?
Pull the other one it's got bells on.
Greyblades wrote:
You think they'd cheat in one but not the other?
Pull the other one it's got bells on.
Because one is perfectly legal and easy to do
while the other one is extremely difficult and very illegal
Kenetic Kups wrote:
Because one is perfectly legal and easy to do
while the other one is extremely difficult and very illegal
Difficult, illegal, but also very lucrative. And that's ignoring the things that are easy and legal, like gerrymandering.
Both parties cheat on everything they can to the extent they think can get away with. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, as they say.
Greyblades
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And going by the gargantuan smoke screen they threw up to hide it; it's a safe bet they pulled some real whoppers.
:̶.̶|̶:̶;̶ wrote:
Difficult, illegal, but also very lucrative. And that's ignoring the things that are easy and legal, like gerrymandering.
Both parties cheat on everything they can to the extent they think can get away with. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, as they say.
Oh I agree
but full on rigging a presidential election is not feasible in the us
Greyblades
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And how would you know otherwise?
Greyblades wrote:
And how would you know otherwise?
Because there's not enough actual evidence to support it
Greyblades
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"There's not enough actual evidence" is not answering my question. How would you know otherwise?
What alarms do you have; Who do you trust to ring them? Do you follow people would be willing to show a contradicting reality when doing so means going against a media in lockstep and a culture hostile to dissent?
Would they risk their livelihood to tell you? When the company hosting thier content is willing to throw people out on a whim and credit card companies are happy to freeze thier accounts? Hell; when the local government is willing to stick them in a jail cell?
Above all, would they do all that when the false result is one they had been hoping for?
Kenetic Kups wrote:
Because there's not enough actual evidence to support it
And yet you accuse of the Democrats rigging primaries against Bernie twice, without actual evidence to support it.
BrentD15 wrote:
And yet you accuse of the Democrats rigging primaries against Bernie twice, without actual evidence to support it.
I’ve given you evidence multiple times
and as stated above it’s sadly not illegal so not much can be done
Kenetic Kups wrote:
I’ve given you evidence multiple times
and as stated above it’s sadly not illegal so not much can be done
And what was that evidence exactly!?
Disney owns Fox News…
Good ridance that Trump is gone either way however
Totally real tweet
Proud Boys is basically Fight Club for racists in denial wanting to be Tyler Durden
:̶.̶|̶:̶;̶ wrote:
Trump's support didn't come out of nowhere. While I'm likewise glad to see the buffoon gone, until the issues he championed – mainly those pertaining to an inward focus on economic development – are either addressed or sufficiently shoved under the rug, there will be more like him.
I am glad to see the Biden administration at least pay lip service to some of them.
Why do you support de-platforming? That is basically 1984 is it not? I thought you guys support free speech? Hmmmmmmmmm?
From today: first time I've ever seen Israel's Iron Dome defense system in action
HOLY SHIT PALESTINE JUST LAUNCHED A ROCKET ATTACK ON ISREAL
Omega MISSINGNO wrote:
HOLY SHIT PALESTINE JUST LAUNCHED A ROCKET ATTACK ON ISREAL
To be specific it was Gaza that launched these rockets. The West Bank doesn't particularly do this anymore. They just hit the Ashkelon power station, and some oil pipelines. This escalated real quick.
However, I'll put a bit of a background to what's probably motivating this escalation. Yes, everyone is referring to the potential eviction of some families out of an East Jerusalem neighborhoods, this is largely a dispute over property rights going back to the early 20th century. This is something that is touted around by the media as the cause for the escalation of violence, but I do not think a property rights dispute with a few buildings is the core reason for this.
There is a bigger picture I think:
I think this is something as a reaction to the Abraham Accords. After the Abraham Accords were signed and the reality starting setting in for the Palestinians that they are no longer center-stage of the greater Israeli-Arab relations in the region, the first thing they did was Abbas declared it was time for elections. Keep in mind, that they are supposed to have had elections 12 years ago but ehhhh always some new reason that they don't. As the election season started ramping up it was becoming increasingly clear, in the last few months, that Abbas' Fatah party is not only fractured, but is also set to potentially lose to Hamas. Effectively, if elections were held today, Hamas may win, and would therefore be the party that is in charge of Gaza, and the West Bank.
Abbas recognizing this has declared that he would suspend elections if the Israelis do not let residents of East Jerusalem vote in the elections – something that the Israelis have not yet made clear if they would or wouldn't. This is a geopolitical maneuver that I think Abbas is betting that the Israelis won't give in – giving him a perfect out from having to lose an election. An election that is happening…this month.
However, Hamas may be betting on the idea of that Abba's Fatah party is exceptionally weak in defending the Palestinians from injustices, and took charge of the current situation to exacerbate it. "We are willing to engage with our enemies over something as the injustice of an eviction." Does it matter that Palestinian lives are going to be lost? No. For Hamas, every life lost is martyred, every civilian dead is used as a propaganda tool for Western consumption.
One layer of this onion is that it is an election issue. The second layer is that this puts the Palestinian cause back into the center stage of Israeli-Arab relations, once again making them the giant cock-block in the region. This of course goes well for Iran, and Hezbollah, which have been fanning the flames of the recent outbreak of protests and violence, because this puts a wedge between a budding military coalition against them in the region. One of the things that has happened, that few talk about, is the sheer amount of rockets being launched of Gaza (and almost 25% of them launched from Gaza end up landing in…Gaza), this is specifically done to overwhelm the Iron Dome system, and it works. Quantity, not quality, is what they are betting on.
If the goal of Hamas was to show strength and bring back the conflict into the forefront of Mid-East relations, it seems they may have overplayed their hand.
Because today some of these rockets hit critical Israeli infrastructure because they are also now reaching Tel Aviv. This is not something to take lightly. Destroying a power plant, and an oil pipeline is not the same as blowing up a building and having a few casualties. This is a long term damage that reverberates across a wide region.
This is why besides pin-point rocket strikes back into Gaza targets, the Israeli army has been mobilized to the Gazan border. Shin Bet chief Nadav Argaman was just recently reported in saying "Good luck to us all," and Benjamin Netanyahu already greenlit a multi day operation into Gaza. This may go far deeper than a retaliatory rocket strike.
But I maintain that the central issues are first and foremost, showing strength for Hamas during an upcoming election, at the same time bringing the Palestinian issue back into the fore front of the Arab-Israeli relationship, and driving a wedge into what the Abraham Accords have accomplished. The who eviction issue is a red-herring, and something easy to consume by people not familiar with what's going on.
Update: Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas's leader, who lives outside of the Strip mind you, has declared victory – probably just as he started seeing convoys of tanks and infantry moving directly at the border.
To reinforce what I posted earlier on 5th of May, Haniyeh was quite upset that the elections were delayed, finding the reasons unjustifiable
From his point of view "The elections are a necessity in tackling the dangers awaiting the Palestinian issue, such as the so-called deal of the century, and Israel's annexation plan, he stressed."
Greyblades
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The WaPo showing its typical understanding of the motives of the republican party…
Greyblades wrote:
The WaPo showing its typical understanding of the motives of the republican party…
And that motive being power at any cost, which means subservience to Donald Trump.
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Is this Trumpsupporter1488 back?
Greyblades
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The porn added in the 29:59 edit was pedestrian.
so…that happened
No!! wrote:
so…that happened
What's going on?
Dr. Bots wrote:
What's going on?
some Trump supporter was being really edgy and posted hentai here
Was the hentai any good?
Individual
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Not really.
Watching the downfall of the republican party is more ecxiting.
Penis Miller wrote:
Was the hentai any good?
No, it was pretty plebian shit
Nitwit464 wrote:
Why do you support de-platforming? That is basically 1984 is it not? I thought you guys support free speech? Hmmmmmmmmm?
Voting someone out of a public office that has one seat by design isn't equivalent to removing someone from a platform that can host an unlimited number of voices by design (but chooses not to for political reasons)
But thanks for the strawman
The Israelis leaked out false information to the global media as a ruse. Effectively they said they are preparing for a ground invasion which was picked up and echoed by global media. This signaled to Hamas to prepare for a ground invasion, so en masse they went into the series of tunnels they built for such an occasion. But it was a ruse, effectively the news was false so they can pack themselves into tight areas which were consequently bombed with severe damage. An hour later IDF clarifies that there would not be a ground invasion.
Videos are coming out about how utterly precise the bombing is. Kind of amazing. Three four rockets hit the base of a building causing it to collapse with minimal to no damage to buildings next door.
A building was struck where supposedly a high ranking Hamas official was, but instead it was his family, 8 dead including 6 children, supposedly his family, but not him. Tragedy of course.
Greyblades
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Reporters have to get quotes approved by White House before publishing
"White House reporters are seething over a policy that requires them to submit quotes from interviews with Biden administration officials to the communications team for approval, editing or veto, according to a report on Tuesday.
"The White House is demanding that reporters who conduct interviews with administration officials do so under conditions known as “background with quote approval,” Politico reported.
"The information from the interview can be used in a story, but for a reporter to be able to attach a name to the quote, the reporter must transcribe the comments and send them to the communications team, the report said.
"At that point, the White House can approve them, edit them or veto their use."
Trump never even tried anything like this.