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Last posted Oct 29, 2024 at 10:17PM EDT. Added Jan 01, 2017 at 06:26PM EST
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Checkpoint Flag wrote:

Yeah.
While switching out a candidate so soon may not be a good idea, especially since Harris is a contentious person…
Continuing with someone who's at serious risk of losing the ability to form coherent thought is even worse.

If Harris runs, then the Republicans will show ads about Harris's past and all of the bad things she did when she was a district attorney of San Francisco and attorney general of California. The ads will say something like this:

Kamala Harris is a disaster. When she was an attorney in California, the arrests went up by (insert random number here)%. She did not do anything to stop homelessness and illegal immigrants from entering the state of California. She is a danger to the American people and is a failure like Joe Biden. Vote Trump to save our nation and prevent the radical democrats from destroying our country.

Republican propaganda is very effective at fear mongering.

Last edited Jul 03, 2024 at 01:32PM EDT

No!! wrote:

Cant believe we are so close to the fucking end of the world now, its a matter of just months now….

Might as well have a good time before that I guess

But if the world ends, how am I gonna play The Big Catch in 2025?

Kenetic Kups wrote:

For the switching candidates argument
I agree if they have someone more popular
but then again reagan won after flubbing a debate while being senile too

Hopefully people remember that and stick by Biden

Last edited Jul 03, 2024 at 08:53PM EDT

At least the more awful shit the current republican establishment do the more positive PR the left will gain in return and the more resentment there will be towards US republicans most likely.

If the right fucks up and the pendulum swings back towards the left, the republicans are probably in a world of hurt….so there is that

If the democrats regains their footing they will be able to hold the inmunity they gave to presidents to do whatever they want and project 2025 over republicans heads for decades to come.

No!! wrote:

At least the more awful shit the current republican establishment do the more positive PR the left will gain in return and the more resentment there will be towards US republicans most likely.

If the right fucks up and the pendulum swings back towards the left, the republicans are probably in a world of hurt….so there is that

If the democrats regains their footing they will be able to hold the inmunity they gave to presidents to do whatever they want and project 2025 over republicans heads for decades to come.

But the left has to actually take advantage of these opportunities and advertise or push them to not just their voters, but the moderates or the apathetic or people who aren't Democrat.

Assuming that the electors (the people who are actually put in the votes of the state and not the general populace. I know, it's wierd and confusing and hasn't really been relevent previously) are actually faithful, I think the most impactful activism and dialogue that can be had are in the rural counties due to their low population density but disproportionate representation. I'm talking out of my ass here, but I'm pretty sure that those people are the most miserable people in all of America. They're looked down upon by educated lefties for not being as affluent as them, disregarded by companies due to not having much of a disposable income, and I'm pretty sure Republicans barely cater to them anyways. Yeah, they may be stubborn asses, but that's not exclusive to them.

I think the best thing any one of us can do is drive out into one of those desolate counties, do favors for some people (as much as you're willing to give, since it may be wise to save up for after inaugeration), and try and have an honest talk with them to try and get them to vote Democrat. Yeah, a rather shallow reason to be nice to people, and also very questionable.
What it really comes down to is not shoving it in their face. No one likes being told that their world view is fundamentally wrong, that's best left to figuring out on their own. While I am recommending this to push an agenda, it chould primarily come from something honest. Facts may be true, but personal experiences are more human. I'm fairly certain 90% of users on this website absolutely despise all mainstream politicians, regardless of party, and I can garuantee that 90% of rural Americans feel the same way. I think something as simple as just venting about what you know about politicians or what hasn't been done yet might be enough to change someone's mind, even if for one election. Any conversation doesn't even need to be a debate or be primarily about politics, it could just be something you bring up in passing.

Of course, I've done nothing of value since I've become aware of anything politics adjacent, so I'm just grandstanding. I also have no idea if this strategy will even work due to the political divide (is it mostly contained within the internet or is it something that's consistent with everywhere?)
Either way, probably more effective than posting every single development when we already know that it's just going to continue drifting to the worst case scenario.

I'm afraid the Republicans and people who voted for them will fight tooth and nail to prevent the votes towards the Democrats from being counted. I still remember four years ago when people in Detroit were gathering in front of the vote-counting center and chanted "Stop the count!" I have a feeling this year will be worse.

Here's to hoping if anything like the convoys heading towards the border, those people would accuse each other of being feds and be too paranoid to attempt to prevent votes.

Blue Yoshi wrote:

I'm afraid the Republicans and people who voted for them will fight tooth and nail to prevent the votes towards the Democrats from being counted. I still remember four years ago when people in Detroit were gathering in front of the vote-counting center and chanted "Stop the count!" I have a feeling this year will be worse.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to reach out to people and community build to weather whatever blows in whenever. (also I completely forgot about voting protests ffUCK this is going to be contender for one of the worst elections in America since "Bleeding Kansas" back in pre-Civil War 1850's)

@Checkpoint Flag
I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I've been hearing people raise essentially the same point going at least as far back as the second Bush administration. The Democrats have been run by mostly the same clique of people since the 1990's, and I don't think they're too set on changing their approach in any meaningful way. I think it would require a deep change in our leadership and political culture before the nation is ready for such action as you describe.

Nox Lucis wrote:

@Checkpoint Flag
I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I've been hearing people raise essentially the same point going at least as far back as the second Bush administration. The Democrats have been run by mostly the same clique of people since the 1990's, and I don't think they're too set on changing their approach in any meaningful way. I think it would require a deep change in our leadership and political culture before the nation is ready for such action as you describe.

I'm not sure what point you're talking about, since I'm burned out on talking about politics (something I never thought was possible before the debate). But based on writing out and erasing two whole paragraphs, and using my dwindling mental capacity, I think you might be refering to the point of rural counties being more valuable and thus efforts should be made on them, and thus you're saying that the mainstream Democrats, regardless of if it'll benefit them, will oppose even grassroots efforts to try and close the political divide. I've probably assumed some things about your position, so do correct me if I'm wrong.

If that is the case, then while I still believe we and others should still participate in community building for obvious reasons, I guess I can't really hold any hopes for the Democrats winning through trying to counter the gerrymandering.

I just wanna game for god's sake.

I feel like the reason shit like fascism and genocides keep coming back is that a messed up part of the subconcious (that we are usually fighting against) of humans WANTS to spread misery, specifically the type of misery where we get to see other people dominated and oppressed.

Maybe we all have a dark twisted side and we are living in a society.

No!! wrote:

I feel like the reason shit like fascism and genocides keep coming back is that a messed up part of the subconcious (that we are usually fighting against) of humans WANTS to spread misery, specifically the type of misery where we get to see other people dominated and oppressed.

Maybe we all have a dark twisted side and we are living in a society.

Mario Maker troll levels are a gateway drug to developing CIA psychological torture techniques.

No!! wrote:

I feel like the reason shit like fascism and genocides keep coming back is that a messed up part of the subconcious (that we are usually fighting against) of humans WANTS to spread misery, specifically the type of misery where we get to see other people dominated and oppressed.

Maybe we all have a dark twisted side and we are living in a society.

It's tribalism. There's a deep-seated human desire to secure resources, security, and advantage for people similar to ourselves. It's difficult to feel the same about those whom we categorize as "outsiders", and as such it may feel intuitive to divert such boons from those potential competitors towards our "own kind".
As a society, it becomes possible to enforce such practices at an institutional level, usually under a civilized veneer despite their primeval brutality.

No!! wrote:

I feel like the reason shit like fascism and genocides keep coming back is that a messed up part of the subconcious (that we are usually fighting against) of humans WANTS to spread misery, specifically the type of misery where we get to see other people dominated and oppressed.

Maybe we all have a dark twisted side and we are living in a society.

In my opinion. That's because Fascism never left. It was adopted by non Europeans and as such wasn't recognized as fascism. But if you take Mussolini's basic description of fascism; "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" you will find that manifested quite clearly in today's China. If one interprets that fascism is a national totalitarian state. I.e. every action, every function, must be in service to a state, and replace it with religious totalitarianism you will start to see this manifestation in Islamism, that is, Sharia encompasses every aspect of society. You would also see pearls of that in American Christian Nationalism, but to what extent they want to take it I am not sure. 20th century and 21st century Leftists loath to ascribe opposing ideologies on non European or North American peoples because it runs in opposition to their views stemming from post-Colonialism and Orientalism and the fervent belief that the left seeks to liberate the former victims of colonialism and imperialism. Nothing is as bitter as supporting a liberation movement that when accomplishes liberation embraces fascistic or imperialist ideology. I have my own deeper thoughts about why this fog on the left exists, and i blame it mostly on the USSR and the cold War.

Genocides come back when group a sees group b as such a hostile threat that the only way group a can survive or maintain power is to eliminate group b. As long as that dynamic exists it'll happen.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Media wants things to get worse

The media made billions from Trump's presidency.
It's a love hate parasitical relationship. They may be ideologically in favor of Biden but the reality is that Biden has done the least amount of media engagement since the 80s, because they are hiding him from the media. They aren't making the money they want.
And it DIED last year: https://news.gallup.com/poll/512861/media-confidence-matches-2016-record-low.aspx

There's a reason they want another Trump presidency.

No!! wrote:

you make the mods look good dude

A man who diligently coats his body in grease every morning so that no matter how many times the mods get a hold of him he always continues to run around the pen squealing and spraying shit wherever he goes.
A truly remarkable beast by any measure.

Nox Lucis wrote:

A man who diligently coats his body in grease every morning so that no matter how many times the mods get a hold of him he always continues to run around the pen squealing and spraying shit wherever he goes.
A truly remarkable beast by any measure.

Its admirable how many endless alts he has made just to be an annoyong cunt its impressive

I like that attention to Project 2025 is getting around, even a coworker of mine has been talking about how messed up it is and she's not as terminally online as I am. One major difference between this election and 2016 is back in 2016 it felt like not many people took Trump seriously and just felt it was "obvious he'd lose." That obviously didn't happen, and after January 6, 2021 people are far more aware of how much of a cult the MAGA crowd really is, so this time around people aren't treating Trump as a joke. I just wish it wasn't fucking Biden as the other option.

Even so I admit sometimes I still feel a great sense of fear regarding "what if the far right actually wins and this means my very existence as a human being becomes illegal?" Like it feels fucked up I'm about to finally start HRT but there's this looming fear that if the wrong people get in power one of my big hopes and dreams will be suddenly taken from me just as quickly as it started.

Last edited Jul 08, 2024 at 12:38PM EDT

GeneHunt wrote:

So RN got the most votes out of any party yet they got less seats than 2 other parties? How does the French system even work?

It's a two-round runoff system, with a party only getting elected in a constituency if they get an absolute majority. This doesn't happen in contested elections, leading to a lot of situations where people in the second round are forced to choose between a party they don't like and a party they really don't like. That said, it's a much fairer result than what happened in the United Kingdom, where a party that won over 14% of the vote didn't even get one percent representation in Parliament.

I'd also refrain from calling either of these proper "victories"; in France, the only real loser were Les RĂ©publicains, with the National Rally winning quite a number of seats. In Britain, Labour won because Starmer pulled them rightward and the Tories simultaneously ate shit, combined with lower voter turnouts making them win in this election with fewer overall votes than they lost with in 2019. I don't know if either of these can be readily mapped onto the United States tbh.

As for Project 2025, I've mentioned lately that Trump has his own plan that stands at least partially at odds with it. Sure enough, a few days ago he posted this:

Toasty wrote:

So Trump hasn't been seen in the past ten days. I wonder what's going on.

It's very uncharacteristic of him to be this quiet.

Given the recent epstein document, maybe something to do with that
I mean I hope his health is failing or something but we can't be that lucky
It would be hilarious if biden actually used the new immunity to take him out

Last edited Jul 08, 2024 at 08:17PM EDT

I mean, it IS the smart strategy for Trump to stay silent so that the media focuses on Biden's damage control. But the idea that Trump would actually do it instead of letting his need to talk shit get the better of him? That would be uncharacteristic.

More likely, him and his team are propping up Agenda 47 to start deflecting from the bad press Project 2025 is starting to get in the mainstream public opinion.

EDIT: oh yeah, now that Kups mentioned it, the recent Epstein news are also a possibility behind his radio silence.

Last edited Jul 08, 2024 at 08:17PM EDT

One problem I see with Trump and his cronnies passing the project 2025 if they get elected is that they are forgetting we are all still here. Shit didnt magically changed cause they won one election most people dont actually want their bullshit.

Unless everyone is a massive coward then they might be a bit screwed cause they would be pissing so many people off….people who can fight back at least somehow…sometimes in morally wrong ways.

A LOT of people are getting doxxed at the very least is what I am saying.

No!! wrote:

Did….did the motorious poochyena porn spammer kill him? Did he actually do it?! Oh shit! Hallelujah! What a hero! I hope that is the case!

Just imagine learning about that in history books
"So the candidate and former president was assassinated by someone who spent most of their time posting porn on a meme website"

I mean, it IS the smart strategy for Trump to stay silent so that the media focuses on Biden's damage control. But the idea that Trump would actually do it instead of letting his need to talk shit get the better of him? That would be uncharacteristic.

I had to scroll through his feed on Truth Social to get that screenshot, and he's definitely talking shit, just more privately than normal.

Given the recent epstein document, maybe something to do with that

Isn't that just an old accusation from 2019 that never went anywhere?

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