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Seems Trump isn't taking the divorce very well.

careful now, that's clearly Somolian despite the regional flag in question has neither shade of blue and a different shape of star

Muskrat is back at it again. He marked the 'White Dudes for Harris' account as spam and falsely accused them of 'manipulating the platform.'

He's been throwing a fit since biden left

I was hearing there was a lot of misinformation about the suspect, so maybe we need to wait for confirmation on what is true or not.

Exhibits? They have a museum? I'll have to check it out. I definitely want to see Lake Superior at one point in my life, so I'll add those places to my itinerary. I'm guessing the similar environment is why a lot of Scandinavians migrated there.

@Kenetic Kups, Talkie Toaster

It's funny that Minnesota got brought up beforehand, because it seems like their profile has gone up this election cycle. So far, I've only heard things I like about Tim Walz.

The way he signed a bill to provide school meals to kids really contrasts with the Republican Governor of Arkansas who lifted child labour restrictions (that's another GOP cruelty that should come back to bite them).

I do not like that mentioning this got you downvoted. It reveals more of the local culture than it does of you, and I think it should be noted the next time one of the usual suspects starts talking of riots and law & order that it does not extend to the far-right (and never has).

Anyway, what a mess. A library burned, shops looted and local communities damaged. It's said that the problem with riots is that if they do show community tensions they also cause a negative feedback loop where local degradation creates deprivation that encourages more riots.

Once the cycle starts, it's hard to stop. It's why governments have to immediately step-in and figure out what happened.

I like to think this is happening because people like this (the far right) are finally losing so they are wailing in desperation and anger.

This might be wishful optimistic thinking though this might really be that

Wrt the British riots, there's also Muslim gangs harassing and assaulting Britons, which seems to be getting much less attention from both the news and the police. This makes sense, giving that the British police once covered up rape gangs in an interest to "not be racist", but unfortunately for them, assault is a much more public crime.

Oh, and a murderer was released from prison to make space for a rioter. Clearly, the current government has its priorities in order. /s

i'd imagine that alot of the more left leaning people on this site didn't appreciate the "It seems that the Ultra-Nationalist Right took cues from the Hamas-backing Black Lives Matter." line

It's not a surprise the American Right blatantly manipulating events, and they have no shame about it. They do this shit, than accuse others of astroturfing.

The problem is, the pretense that's not happening. Well, Elon Musk is now having legal troubles with multiple governments now because they seem to have stopped humouring his nonsense, but it's a question whether anything will actually be done.

@Sir Snakeboat

… Quite possible theory, very plausible. May even be the case for the first few points, although the problem is he just went down into the hidden territory right now. Right this moment, minutes apart. As a record for later, these last few replies (from No!! which is 6 hours ago) are all just minutes apart.

Further record for Koiman's comment, it wasn't just 1 or 2 change, that could be explained away with one or two users. Koiman at this moment is at +2 -8, and they were at what, -3 or so before. Subtle, but it's too quick a change.

Anyway, this is not up for debate anymore, and apologies for anyone who's seeing another one of these slap-fights, because if there's any lessons from all of this is not the sort of subject that is up for debate, but for reporting.

Sent a message to mods so at least there's a paper-trail. So any further discussion can be had in whatever format is required.

Guys come on lets not fight

Well I obviously do not endorse these riots, but the government's response to the events is definitely concerning. Did you see a video of that guy who got arrested over Facebook posts?

… I'm not sure if it's related or not, but my mind keeps on going back to Charlottesville and the 2017 Unite the Right rally. Both in similarities on rhetoric, and how the internet (and even this forum could be) back then.

I assume most know it's after-effects, but for those who don't it's meaning is pretty damning. 'Alt-right' was a term before that, it only seemed to take popularity after that (go to the dictionary and there will probably be a photo of that Tiki torch march). A woman died and multiple far-right and white supremacist groups who organized all that saw the light of day and generally alarmed everyone.

What is forgotten is how contentious and unclear it was a the time. Pretenses it was spontaneous (when it was all organized), questions on who actually started the violence, what did those groups stand for and many, many attempts to excuse them. All white at the same time they stewed about antifa attacks or whatever until they killed someone.

It's one thing to record the facts of the events, but how do you record the attempted propaganda, the failed narratives and attempts to muddy the waters? Yet, it's the exact same techniques, repeated and over for similar events afterwards (that keep on happening).

Oh sure, it's probably not the same for every event. Different levels of culpability may be involved. Just something to keep in mind, because we can't keep doing the same thing over and over.

@No!!

I like to think this is happening because people like this (the far right) are finally losing so they are wailing in desperation and anger.This might be wishful optimistic thinking though this might really be that

I'm sorry to say, I don't think that's the case. This back and forth between blatant and then hiding behind justifications (someone more 'sane' to explain things pops out to run interference) or just plain denial and attempts to reverse charges. This motte and bailey technique, this is standard procedure, that's how the Far-right in France operates (and some of the far-left, that's how stalinistes can operate).

Context?

Oh right, the guy that was calling for youth to literally set fire to migrants.

Where exactly in your link mentions the prison needed to make space for a rioter?

Since the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh in Iran a little over a week ago and the assassination of a high ranking Hezbollah commander within the same day, Iran and it's proxies, Hezbollah and Houthis in Yemen, swore retaliation as revenge. Since then a series of events have occurred which pitted the region into a direction of an all out larger war. Several days ago it was reported t hat Russia was to supply Iran weapons however specifically asked them not to target Israeli civilians. Yahya Sinwar has been declared the new chief of Hamas. Nasrallah the leader of Hezbollah gave an extremely long speech yesterday trying to bolster support and swearing unholy revenge on Israel – incidentally, during the speech, 4 Israeli jets flew over Beirut the capitol of Lebanon and created a massive sonic boom.

It is also important to point out that the Israelis understand, probably better than anyone, that unspoken symbolic messages extremely effective in the region. By being able to precision strike Hezbollah leadership in Beirut sends a signal to Hezbollah that they are not safe, anywhere, even if they try to establish themselves in Beirut itself (Hezbollah's territory happens to be in the South Lebanon). But the assassination of Haniyeh in Tehran was far more destructive to Iran. It signals to Iran that they are deeply infiltrated, that no one is actually safe. That Israel is willing to assassinate someone on their territory, so easily, must be paranoia inducing to anyone in the leadership. It is a deep embarrassment to the Iranian regime, and it also shows their proxies that Iran cannot guarantee their protection even in the heart of Tehran.

So Iran, has to retaliate, and they promised an apocalyptic level of revenge. Iranian Army Chief even claimed yesterday that Israel cannot be saved from annihilation. As the entire region is on high alert and flights being cancelled, with war looming, it appears that the Iranians may not retaliate at all

I think this is a result of several factors.
1) several countries, notably, Jordan, has said t hey will not open their airspace for Iranians, which means any rockets, drones, or jets over their airspace can be and will be shot down.
2) I think the US has been putting a lot of pressure on the Iranians behind the scenes with Biden administrations deep desire to de-escalate every modern conflict.
3) The recently elected Iranian president has been urging the mullahs to reconsider believing that an attack on Israel is in fact a trap set by the Israelis because they will retaliate hard.

These are the most obvious factors. But what I think seriously affecting Iran is that they know that any major attack gives green light to the Israelis and Americans to attack their oil infrastructure, and even their nuclear power capacity throwing the already shacky economy and weak political structure into chaos. In addition, and I think this is a big one: In the last 2 days, Ukraine has pushed deep into Russian territory putting Russia on the back footing. Russia cannot focus on Iran when it's own soil is now being invaded, deeply, by Ukrainian forces. I think there were messages sent that indicates that Russia is bowing out in any support for Iran.

I also think that Iran has spent the week weighing all the options. To not retaliate would be a deep embarrassment and a sign of extreme weakness to the region and their own proxies. A retaliation of any major magnitude will be dealt with 10x over, and would ultimately plunge the country in chaos and a potential civil war, the IRGC does not want to directly go into war with the US as it would ultimately lose all it's lucrative power (like in Egypt they own tons of the economy). Without the IRGC Iran may plunge into another civil war. A small retaliation would be ineffective entirely.

There is, however, in my mind an option that is tolerable to Iran: signal to it's Hamas proxies to end the war with Israel, and come to a ceasefire deal. This will end hostilities for now, without damaging Iran's reputation or face in the region. It will remove, temporarily, the impetus to attack Israel (they can spin this as a victory for the Palestinian cause), it will remove any justification for Israel to continue assassinating and fighting with Hezbollah, and it can at least salvage whatever is left of Hamas, before Sinwar, too, is ultimately killed, and the organization is effectively done. They can easily sell this as a victory for themselves and their proxies, by claiming that they forced Netanyahu to a ceasefire.

And it just so happens to be that there are signs that the ceasefire deal is closest than it has been before.

>In the last 2 days, Ukraine has pushed deep into Russian territory putting Russia on the back footing. Russia cannot focus on Iran when it's own soil is now being invaded, deeply, by Ukrainian forces.

The strategic value of the push into Kursk is questionable. It has not affected the continuous advance of the Russians in the Pokrovsk area, which is threatening to cut off vital Ukrainian logistics for the Donbas area. While the incursion is a tactical success that must be quite embarrassing to the Russian government, saying they are "on the back footing" because of it would be a massive overstatement, unless something changes drastically over the next few days.

Sergei Shoigu was in Iran days before the attack on Kursk. Chances are Russia was advising Iran to show restraint before all of this happened.

Perhaps it was a poor choice of phrasing. What I mean is that it caught the Russians by surprise that this would happen. It's not just an embarrassment for the Russians, it's extremely dangerous. One of the biggest factors in the Russian war with Ukraine isn't so much that Russians support Putin, it's more that they are indifferent, and that Putin has gone through many lengths to make sure that regular Russians – especially in Moscow, are unaffected. This is different, this is piercing the wall, a puncture. Not just rockets or drones, this is old school troops on Russian soil, holding ground. It's symbolically significant. Already Kursk is being evacuated. If Russians in Moscow read about this – and they will – they need to ask themselves what the reality on the ground actually is. Surely, if the Russian forces were winning how could the Ukrainians actually invade their territory? These will be whispered – then spoken loudly on social media.

Russia needs all focus to be on getting the Ukrainians out, as soon as possible.

There's the symbolic value as mentioned above, the value of forcing the Russians to call-off their offensive or at least divert their forces, and there is a target near Kursk: it's nuclear power plants (it's a dozen of km away from Kursk, in direction of Ukraine).

If Ukraine takes it (if it's their plan), they could enact Russia's own strategy with the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. Ukrainian soldiers which can't be dislodged out of Russia (or at the very least electricity being cutoff in the region). Thing is no one sane wants fighting near a nuclear power plant, so even that plan may go very badly, and lose Ukraine it's backing.

However, it should serve as an example that Russia isn't the Soviet Union anymore. It can't trade land, even it's borders have critical infrastructure. No remotely developed country can in the modern era.

As for Iran and Russia, Hamas's leaders were also at Moscow. Their strategy is the same as Iran: to keep some level of chaos and conflict active (it's not coincidence that the tinpot dictators of the world started implementing their moves after Russia's 2022 invasion). Just not enough to go for a full-fledged war, so Iran and Russia likely aren't moderating forces on each other.

Also just as a note that I'm not going back to the pattern of mentioning this until the next time this issue pops up. I'm going to keep mentioning this.

Spaghetto & his alts or backers, you have to pretty damn idiotic to think that trying to bury a comment about vote manipulation works. It's not only the blatant dishonesty that's offensive, it's also just how plain amateurish it is.

@KZN02

Not the first time he lied about the contents of his link. However, at least there's a link there, he doesn't even have a source for his attempt to pour gasoline about Muslim gangs. Notice he doesn't even bother to condemn the riots, he's trying to justify it?

Funny thing about him trying to revive the Islamic panic again (after a few years dormancy), is that when I mentioned Arab Immigrants being happy with the Republicans book banning spree, the American Right here didn't give a damn. The violence, the fundamentalism, so many arguments they used now applies just as well to them.

Whoever is mass downvoting Gilan regardless of what he post, please stop

Simple context clues. The British prison system was already running short on space before the riots. Riots, especially those not endorsed by the powers that be, lead to a large number of arrests. Combine this with a government focused more on the "punitive" part of "punitive justice system", and a little bit of basic cause-and-effect, and you get ass-backwards releases like this.

Your earlier comment kind of implied current prisoners are being released specifically for rioters recently whereas the Reuters link from a month ago say prisoners were planned to be released due to problems from the previous government.

And there are new problems under the new government that are causing this scheme to be expanded and expedited. Things can happen for multiple reasons, and reasons can expand or change over time. In this case, a scheme created to reduce the strain on prisons due to the previous government's mass arrests is being used to… reduce the strain on prisons due to the current government's mass arrests. Truly, Starmer is a resourceful and clever man.

This sounds like a massive stretch rather than anything verifiable.

So backing up, what is the context to the previous government’s mass arrests and what the prison population was incarcerated for at the time?

> Personally I have so little sympathy for Hamas prisoners getting sexually humiliated and abused for what they have done. ¯\(ツ)/¯ especially now that they are sending families of hostages torture videos of how they tortured the hostages.

You have little sympathy for people getting raped in prison by soldiers because of what they've done. Are you serious?

This isn't a moral high horse. It's a bare minimum. These are horrible, horrible terrorists. You don't and shouldn't rape them.

Ah so "It's true because I feel like it is"

how mad is trump gonna be if he loses again

Gonna be fleeing to russia and inciting a rebellion

The voices in my head are telling me Trump is going to lose so I am personally pretty hopeful

@Kenetic Kups Wouldn’t his Secret Service prevent him from fleeing?

To answer your question:

And I'm going to say that the overwhelming majority of people would agree.

Most people are against rape

Most people are against rape…unless it happens to a truly horrifying human being.
The attempt to decontextualize this is ridiculous. These isn't some street rat, riff-rat stealing a loaf of bread. You know damn well that most people wouldn't give a shit if some mass murderer or child molester get's raped in prison.

if you're against rape unless it's against someone you don't like
you aren't against rape. you are condoning its use as a weapon of and reprisal

Are we going in circles? This was word for word what was said before.
Steve even said this exactly 5 days ago:
"Systemic rape is okay when it happens to people you dont like"

To which I responded to, and will respond here again:
"I certainly don't like terrorists that target civilians. Or pedophiles. Or mass murderers. Do you?"

And it's funny, because @Kenetic_Pups seems to understand the context when he too responded:
"Rape is always bad
I don't feel bad if it happens to rapists, but it's still always wrong"

Well I don't feel bad if it happens to these kind of terrorists.

because it's abhorrent and you're not getting that

Rape, as a crime, Is unforgivable. Defending the use of it in any way or lessening the serious of it by saying "well they were bad people" is fucked up.

By the way, now that the 4chan "trolling" the uk police to help literal racists try and burn non white brits alive is trending hopefully people will actually start talking about it.

The riots were started cause a native born non white brit did something incredibly fucked up, and now the far right in Britain is using it as an excuse to try and set up a fucking pogrom.

They are setting up checkpoints where if you are non white they'll drag you out of your car, burn it and then try and assault you, they've burned multiple non white owned businesses, and tried burning down a place sheltering refugees with them inside it by blocking one of the exits.

Also keep an eye out for potential 4channers trying to manipulate the entry, if they are willing to commit crimes by making fake bomb threats then they'll absolutely manipulate shit on this site too

>Someone already posted great replacement theory with emphasis on how "the elites" are doing it as hostile action

Oh boy that's gonna be a FUN entry

This sounds like a massive stretch rather than anything verifiable.

It's called "putting two and two together", brainiac.

So backing up, what is the context to the previous government’s mass arrests and what the prison population was incarcerated for at the time?

My mistake, I made an assumption by trying to extrapolate backwards from current events. It appears that, rather than a short period of mass imprisonment like has just occurred, it was a consequence of a long period of elevated imprisonments due to overly stringent laws, without a sufficient increase in prison capacity to compensate. So the current expansion is worse than I presented it, actually; a lazy solution to an institutional problem being used to try and "solve" a newer problem.

Ah so "It's true because I feel like it is"

Speaking of this, what the hell is the guy above me yapping about?

Though speaking of hate crimes, some kind of shit is happening in Bangladesh, goddamn.

Sources on the riots activities:

https://www.vox.com/today-explained-podcast/365953/riots-uk-stabbing-far-right-merseyside-southport

https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/05/rioters-set-race-checkpoint-ask-drivers-white-english-21360645/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/08/uk-far-right-riots-racists-communities

And the great replacement comment in question:

"The elites have imported far more third world immigrants than is reasonably sustainable in a conscious attempt to weaken the native British population. This is objectively factual and proven."

On that note about overly stringent laws, would you have more details about them?

Doing a bit of searching on my own, it looks like the previous government was also considering releasing prisoners early, even being accused of releasing prisoners "in secret".