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Going back to something from a while back: Fallout was never about fighting capitalism. People were right about that. It was about fighting conservatism. The two just get conflated because… to make this super fucking short… the Romantics rolled in an acceptable version of capitalism and pushed that in order to safeguard the remaining feudal heirarchies. It's why… whatever they turned Smith into is the primary source for what people think of economics.

Incidentally why there was the backwards-looking revisionism that attributes ALL marketplaces and exchanges to capitalism.

Even from the start there was a libertine approach of embracing change. It's why people don't consider being exiled from the vault a sad ending. It reaches apotheosis in Old World Blues, then Bethesda lost its mind and expected people to be cool with Sean and Airship Franco. It's why those factions felt so off. They're blatantly against what Fallout is

If Trump actually goes through with 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico that will be the final nail in the coffin for US auto manufacturing sector that got dragged kicking and screaming through the 2008 financial crisis.

If Trudeau has any sense (I doubt it) we should be immediately dropping the 100% tariff he put on Chinese EVs and putting retaliatory tariffs on the US. I fucking hate China but right now it would be our best option to play the US and China against each other since if neither want to be reliable we might as well get the best deal.

Mexico will almost definitely be pushed towards BRICS.

leave it to Trump to find a way to salvage the incredible and utter shitshow that is BRICS, the organization that seem to only and ever exists to prevent its members from declaring open war by agreeing to exploit Russia's war-related desperation

I feel like one reason cyberpunk was so popular in the 80s and 90s is because the fall of the soviet union, while seen as a good thing opened a fear of "if there is no alternative to the USA and capitalism, what are we going to do when capitalism goes bad? What if the goverments of the world lose control over corporations?" which was a valid question and that endless fear kept the cyberpunk genre going.

Cyberpunk isnt just dystopia scifi, its horror…its supposed to show the fear of the future. Its similar to 1984 or I have no mouth and I must scream, its supposed to scare you.

But nowadays people dont find cyberpunk that scary as the accepted answer people have to that question seems to be "dont worry we will probably destroy ourselves before that fully happens" which yeah…sounds about right. So postapocalyptic fiction is far more popular than cyberpunk nowadays….also Fallout, Fallout is very popular especially non-Bethesda Fallout

Our world right now resembles fallout pre-war than cyberpunk worlds (tbh…that is probably for the best, cyberpunk worlds suck really hard…even compared to fucking warhammer 40k they are really bad) so it doesnt suprise me people resonate more with fallout and stuff like that.

Trump reminds me of the Enclave tbh, cant find any counterpart of Trump in cyberpunk cause cyberpunk is so insanely focused on corporations and how bad corporations are (which they are but there are more problems in the world than just them)

We really need more dystopian scifi movies especially in times like this, lord knows I am tired of superhero movies at this point….we need scifi again as all the current ultra idealistic escapist shallow fantasies that are making into cinemas just arent resonating with people anymore and the box office show it.

Also because jesus fucking christ I am tired of everything being either super hero or sequel slop, make original shit again for fuck sake! I am missing romantic movoes at this point that is how desperate I am getting for a new era of movies….current era of cinema is getting old (and I say this as someone who likes a bunch of superhero movies)

How about you actuallu DO add some politics to movies too? I am tired of movies trying as hard as possible to be "woke" while actually havinf NOTHING to say

@No!!
I've never played Outerworlds, but I have played Fallout. Fallout is not cyberpunk though. And from what I saw of Outerworlds it doesn't seem like cyberpunk. Both are definitely sci-fi but they aren't cyberpunk. Fallout is especially not cyberpunk because one of the major divergences from our own history is that, in the Fallout world, the rapid miniaturization of digital computers and electronics never occurred. The transistor, invented in our world in 1947, was not developed in the Fallout universe until the decade just before the Great War (2067), while its successor, the semiconducting microprocessor chip, may have never been developed at all.

@Pinkiespy
>The two just get conflated because… to make this super fucking short… the Romantics rolled in an acceptable version of capitalism and pushed that in order to safeguard the remaining feudal heirarchies. It's why… whatever they turned Smith into is the primary source for what people think of economics.

Can you elaborate on this because Romantics were very much revolting against reason, and industry, the blocks of capitalist thought. And Feudalism began to decline in Europe 300 years before Smith.

you have to remember that the enlightenment ended and the modern era started at the French revolution (actually let's be nationalistic USA USA USA). Romanticism… realized it lost, hence the rise of its latter movement, conservatism. Feudalism was gone.

What they could do is preserve the hierarchies, and that means operating within the modern framework. To do this need weight needed to be thrown to their… certain interpretation of Smith and the people that came after. Because the alternative was the proto-socialists, communalists, pastoralists, and the later the big hobo himself Marx. Letting people like Paine become the primary drivers would have been a total surrender of their worldview

The Romantics also tried to adopt some liberal policies in the same manner but it didn't last as long as the conservative alliance has (though… well let's see if third-way populism puts the pillow on its face). Doing the opposite and trying to co-opt socially liberal policies instead was attempted but didn't catch on as much. This was Bismark's welfare state.

Wonder if the world would be better if communism hadnt been turned into a strawman boogyman for so many years to demonize a bunch of shit that wasnt communism

The McCarthyism was a massove mistake