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I wouldn't care about the chomo/mass murderer no, but i would still advocate for the death penalty to those that did it as well

Chewybunny, could I give some advice? Stop this line of rhetoric. You're engaging in an argument that has no winners, especially for you. Personally, with how utterly morally bankrupt I think a lot of the right-wing users here are right now, I'm just disgusted all around.

"Pay evil unto evil" rhetoric was how I had Americans try to convince me torture was okay, and that panicked effort (or revelation of how monstrous they really were) has caused them more reputational damage than if they had shut up and stuck to "bad things regrettably happen" and disavowed those actions.

That piece of advice is probably one I should take and I can't condescend, because I'd also be more effective if I calmed down and picked my battles.

Thank you for your advice. However I won't take it. I stand by what I said. I don't have any sympathy for the worst of humanity being horrifically abused. I'm going to continue to call out the attempts to decontextualize it by highlighting the overly broad terminology used in this very specific situation. Personally I find it very telling that people are clutching their pearls about an alleged rape of a Hamas terrorist while seemingly being quiet about the actual, provable rape of dozens of not hundreds of Jews on October 7th. I'm tired of having to be part of a group of people who are continually have to answer for their moral failure. I'm going to be real. In going to cut through the bullshit and the holier than thou attitude. I demand reality, not sanctimony.

It is absolutely abhorrent. I get that.
But I have no sympathy if it happens to a Hamas terrorist. That's what you don't get. You can say something is very terrible without feeling sympathy when it happens to a person that deserves it.

who talks about politics at 2 in the morning?

Fair enough, I didn't take No!!'s advice when I should have. I'm taking it now, if Spaghetto is going to continue to be a cheat, than we proceed knowing he's a cheat (hell, I think trying to get some accountability with him, because I do believe he's the culprit shows more sincerity than Spaghetto's one-off counter accusation to get me to back-off, but that's done).

However, I meant what I said, the Americans Right stared into the abyss and became something that more closely ressembled the terrorists they claimed to fight against than other democracies. On the other side when a user around here said "zionist beast" in anger, it was more damning for them and their cause than what had first gotten them angry. Ability to self-reflect and disavow is a defence, not a weakness.

Hell, if the Right here had let sleeping dogs lie and not tried to bury news of and justify the current riots in the UK, they wouldn't have been implicated and popularized the subject, Barbara Streisand style.

Anyway, see you. It's Friday.

Its 11:55 in the morning where I am, I'm eating lunch (and using my phone which doing so which is probably not sanitary).

I think you should really find other things to be worried about and maybe taking a break from the site for a while, it just seems like you you are venting out your frustrations on the few right wing users left here.

Don't you know the entire world is in the Us' time zone
and ignore gene's comment you make insightful posts

>Personally I find it very telling that people are clutching their pearls about an alleged rape of a Hamas terrorist while seemingly being quiet about the actual, provable rape of dozens of not hundreds of Jews on October 7th.

It is understood that condemning rape in general also condemns all of those cases. Two wrongs don't make a right. You cannot cherrypick who gets protection to their fundamental human rights or dehumanize them, no matter how vile their actions may have been.

Personally, I wish everyone who has committed atrocities there since October 7th gets brought to justice, regardless of nationality or position of authority.

I am not sure what you are trying to write exactly, but if you have good intentions, be more specific about them.

If it was up to me I wouldn't even allow them to wait to be raped. A bullet to the head. Make them the martyrs they so desperately want to be. Hell I'd cost the bullet in bacon grease. If you know you know. I don't like or support torture. Nor am I advocating for rape. However I am not going to be sympathetic if the perpetrators of October 7th are tortured or raped.

9 months of this bullshit. 9 months of seeing the reactions, the denials, the masks flying off, the protests, the gaslighting. 9 months of people close to me hiding their Jewish identity, even hating themselves, because they don't want to be this hated. 9 months of having to worry about my cousins serving in the IDF and my family who lives only an hour drive from Lebanon. The level of sympathy I have for Hamas and their supporters is non existent.

One guy said globalism is the new imperialism. Bitch, please. Globalism is too stupid to be the new imperialism. If it was, we would have to pay so much taxes like in Confederate State of America.

Some people here spend too much time online and are concerned about petty drama. Like accusing other users of manipulating votes.

Oh. You reminded me of that. Seems we are gonna get vote bots soon.

As for politics thread, I do not understand how Nazis don't understand that Nazis in 20th century despised Slavs.
Is it because they participated with Croatians or use outdated sources taken out of context?

Also, Europa the Last Battle is too long for a documentary and one of segments that made me cringe was just "Allies were the real racists here.".

So Trump is taking time off from campaigning until after the DNC

lol, lmao even

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Damn it. I have to wait for tomorrow to write a comment to some retard about GOP being fascists so here is what I can say about GOP:

They seem to really look up to China with their idea of a new Patriot Act. The way some of them want Trump back feels funny because it feels like they learned from Communists.

So, guys. If you see a dumbass say "How are Republicans fascists?", tell them "They are using ideas from a Commie country and making them even more pathetic in practice."
Any conservative or just traditionalist shilling China or any Commie country deserves to get laughed at.
I swear, if Trump decides to work with China because Russia does, America will fall down.

And about DNC. No matter how snowflakey they can be, at least they keep their secrets to themselves. For most of the time. (glad Hillary Clinton isn't Kamala's VP anymore. Fuck Hillary)
In order for GOP to get more moderate views, they need to come up with cooler ideas to deal with LGBT without taking inspirations from how China does it, even if there are GOP voters and candidates who are LGBT like Blaire White who has become another annoying fool on Twitter.

You do realize people are protesting the genocide of palastinians right?

Seems like trump's mental state is deteriorating faster now
look at his last conference and how he claimed he's gonna sue the times for not believing a made up emergency landing

god these next three months are gonna be fun

y'all behave or i'm telling mom >:(

No, the overwhelming majority of people do not support rape. The overwhelming majority of people would, in fact, say that it's bad and the soldiers should be prosecuted.

There is a procedure of treatment for prisoners of war, including terrorists. There is a reason Guantanamo bay and torturing terrorists was deeply controversial.

> Hell I'd cost the bullet in bacon grease

Oh for fuck's sake.

Which is what I'm exhausted by. Because there isn't a genocide happening. Genocide has a definition and meaning. I know that these protestors are too dumb to look it up (god knows how they made it into college), I know they are too dumb to know when they are being spoon fed blatant propaganda. I know much of it is astroturfed by Iran and Qatar. It's so infuriating to see.

Whatever you call mass killing of civilians it's wrong
Israel has the capability to inflict less casualties

Pearl clutch some more. If it'll make them think twice about their holy martyrdom being denied maybe they'll not be as committed.

You know. Trump should just give up. He is 78 years old and people he works with will make him support Project 2025 which in my POV looks like he truly doesn't want it to happen. But of course, since he rejected it, he needs to tell morons who work with him to reject it. It's not good on paper. It won't work in practice.
Him being old is enough to tell me needs to quit and give it to someone who will more openly reject Project 2025 and its obnoxious firewall. And will not give money to Israel 24/7.
Wish other parties make big commercials and plans that will give them more votes like in 1992 when one libertarian came up with a plan and one state had most votes for him.
Sorry if I went out of context.

In a war what is an acceptable number of civilians versus militants dead?

The lowest you can
the israeli government is not aiming for lower numbers. they are bombing without regard to civilians

The bullet thing is actually a symbol of blind, ignorant hatred since:
1. that means absolutely nothing. at most they'll be asked to wash the wound at next possible convenience if alive
2. it is distantly descended from the rebellion in India of Muslim troops who had to use old timey cartridge ammo that used tallow. The brits, after ignoring all warnings, didn't label which were pork and which were beef. You had to bite the casings off at the time. Half the troops were muslim; half were Hindu.

Anyway, 0% chance of Trump screeching "fucking bitch" will change anything at all. Let's be honest people if it were about civility he wouldn't have won to begin with.

How do you know that?
Lowest you can is so nebulous. I'd argue that if your going to make a massive effort to evacuate millions of people (the logistics of that is insane) – implement a policy of roof knockers, directly calling people to evacuate, build temporary shelter, while simultaneously rooting out an enemy that embeds with said civilians with the sole intention of maximizing casualties, in one of the most dense places on earth, and you're civilian casualty count is around 38k people, over a span of 9 months, you kind of doing a hell of a job lowering that count. Especially when you're systemically destroying Hamas leadership, their tunnel infrastructure, their ammunition stockpiles, and dealing with them fucking their own people constantly. I can't think of any nation or any modern conflict that has done more to actually give a shit about civilians, can you?

Very wishful thinking

But I’ve been seeing him on the news since 2015, and I can ABSOLUTELY tell you that that’s not gonna happen

That orange fuck is too stubborn to quit

I love Superman but Superman is kind of an authortiarian idea if you really think about it.

I believe that the Harris campaign's primary objective is to troll him into a stroke, with the polling bump incidental

He has court cases to deal with if he doesn't win the presidency, which the conservative judges in the Supreme Court likely can't help him in that scenario, and very likely to lose and face jail time. He definitely is going to continue running so long as he has people supporting him, so maybe the better question is will Republicans continue to back him as their candidate despite his deteriorating mental state and various other problems.

You have people seriously calling what Russia is doing in Ukraine a genocide. Last month a children's hospital was hit during a missile attack on Kyiv. Dozens of cruise missiles and drones. A toxicology building was destroyed, parts of the hospital were damaged and some people were killed. The exact number of casualties is difficult to know because most reports conflate the casualties from the wave of missiles, but the total appears to be somewhere around 44 in the entire attack across the whole city and surrounding areas. The media in the West was outraged and there was the usual outpour of condemnation and demanding that the Russian leaders are judged for war crimes, implying Russia deliberately wasted a $13 million cruise missile to strike a completely useless target both tactically and strategically.

Compare that and the estimations of civilian casualties on Ukraine, with that level of intensity of fighting and the number of settlements destroyed, to what Israel is doing on Gaza. The sheer number of estimated casualties as reported on sources such as The Lancet and the tepid response it's getting from the media.

Article 2 on the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

As of December of last year, nearly 2 million Palestinians have been forcibly displaced by the conflict and ~40,000 civilians have been killed. There's already a case to be made here on the acts for everything except MAYBE (d) & (e). Coincidentally, the ICC got the arrest warrant on Putin for (e). So you just need the intent.

There is "direct intent" (aka intentionally setting out to commit genocide) which is non-controversially accepted in court and "indirect intent" (aka knowing that your actions could cause any of the above and still going through with them anyway) which is harder. Proving either is difficult without admission, but can be done through circumstantial evidence based on the scale of the atrocities, as used in the tribunals for the Yugoslav and Rwanda genocides.

I'm no UN, ICC, ICJ, or whatever judge and there's probably a buffet of quotes from Bibi and others that can demonstrate intent or you can just look at how the strip is leveled. Personally I think the case of Israeli settlers is strong since even the US sanctions those groups. Even if RIGHT NOW the actions can't be concretely denied as genocide, if a new Israeli settlement pops up in the strip to displace the original people then everything that's led to that is genocide.

Ooh, should I bring up what caused Jolly to have a meltdown and point out that Israelis are currently, as in, as we speak, ethnically cleansing the west bank with the help of the IDF?

86 days until the election. how is everyone doing? anything crazy so far?

Looking like project 2025 is gonna lose so in a decent mood

@wisehowl_the_2nd
Correct, intention is the cornerstone of the genocide accusation. You have to prove intent by people in the Israeli government who have the power to execute a genocide. Right now the South African case primarily focuses on few choice quotes from Netanyahu, Gallant, and a few others, however, I read through that report, and I also read the quotes they pick and choose from, and in my opinion, they don't stand up to scrutiny. For example, one of the evidence presented is a tweet by Gallant which allegedly dehumanizes Palestinians, however, within the context of what Gallant was tweeting all day it is clear that he was specifically referring to Hamas.

Words alone cannot prove intent either, actions do as well. And I am not sure how they are going to make the case that the IDF is committing genocide when they have gone through great lengths minimizing civilian deaths through evacuations, warnings, door knockers, etc.

Let's not fool ourselves. South Africa, and now Turkey are engaged in political theater. Just a week before the Jan 11th ICJ accusation South Africa's President Cyril Ramaphosa played host to Muhammad Hamdan Dagalo, a Sudanese warlord whose Janjaweed militia and its successor are accused of genocide and war crimes in Darfur. Erdogan joining on the suit is hilarious given that he's losing so much support in Turkey. Does anyone truly think either of these countries actually care whether or not a genocide is happening?
Come on.

Go for it.
I'm highly critical of Israel's current settlement policy. I understand the strategic nature of these settlements, but I am critical of how it's being carried out. I have no problem calling it a slow-motion ethnic cleansing. I'm also aware that the idea that these settlements can all be torn down after some permanent arrangement is no longer a reality. When Israel withdrew from Gaza, it forced 8000 settlers in Gaza to be moved – which then was extremely controversial among Israeli society in how it was carried out. 8000. Today there are over half a million Israelis that live in what are considered settlements, including East Jerusalem. What people don't realize is that the vast majority of these settlements are geographically small, and are attached to the existing green line. The ones further inland I cannot imagine any scenario that doesn't involve eventual dismantling. And they should be dismantled.

In my mind the settlements are a tool for political pressure towards the Palestinians to accept – or offer – a permanent solution that is, at this point, extremely favorable to Israel. The pressure is that the longer that Abbas or whoever resists agreeing to a permanent solution the less land there will be able to negotiate for. Because every year that goes by is another year that those settlements become permanent. There are now entire generations born in those settlements and serving in the IDF, working in government etc.

Ironically, if the Palestinians gave up on armed resistance, and if Hamas didn't control Gaza – making Gaza a viable example of what a peaceful Palestinian state would look like, the settlement issue would absolutely destroy any good will on international stage for Israel – even from the US. But because they choose violence and violence is what everyone sees them for, the settlement issue get's relatively ignored.

There is more evidence to suggest that what Russia is doing in Ukraine falls within the realm of genocidal intent, given that the goal is to Russify the Ukranians again. I've talked about the history of Ukraine and Russia, and how Russia views Ukranians as fellow brothers, with Ukranians wanting to completely go their own way. In fact right before the war the Ukranian Orthodox church was formed and the Russian Orthodox church was abandoned.

- Russia deliberately wasted a $13 million cruise missile to strike a completely useless target both strategically and tactically.

You're wrong. Unlike Hamas as far as I know the Ukranian forces aren't using Hospitals for military purposes. So why would Russia strike a hospital? For the same reasons that it did so to Nabad al Hayat Surgical Hospital, Kafr Nabl Surgical Hospital, Kafr Zita Cave Hospital, and Al Amal Orthopedic Hospital in Syria in 2019. Hospitals serve as symbols. Destroying a hospital sends a direct signal to the people around; there is going to be no where you can go to treat you, heal you or provide you sanctuary. Russia's involvement in Syria – and it's deliberate attack on hospitals was to exacerbate the refugee problem going into Europe. As New Line Magazine properly says it: "It is difficult to overstate the cruelty of hospital bombings, because the cruelty is the point. A place of healing and salves, to take refuge from pain, or to welcome new life, turned into a slaughterhouse. It is a betrayal of immense gravity precisely because of how vulnerable you are in a hospital. It is indecency incarnate."

It's psychological affect on the citizens of Kyiv is absolutely worth the 13 million dollars.

The extent in which Ukrainians want to "go their own way" varies drastically depending on the area, being stronger in the west and weaker in the disputed areas of the Donbas and Crimea, with ethnic Russian populations being a majority there, having deep links to Russia, culturally and ethnically. In a pre-2014 survey by the US Agency for International Development 40% of the respondents considered themselves Russians versus 24% considering themselves Ukrainian. 53% preferred Crimean autonomy versus 23% preferring joining Russia and merely 2% preferring being in Ukraine as a common oblast.

There is also the fact that Ukraine has a very nationalistic movement with intense anti-Russian sentiment, which in turns wants to destroy the cultural heritage of Russia inside the country. Case in point, the recently-assassinated activist and politician Iryna Farion, who among other things advocated for violence against Russian speakers and ethnic minorities. I want to say for the record that I am not justifying or condoning the invasion, let alone any atrocities omitted, but this overly simplified rhetoric of Ukrainian genocide, such as "Russifying" areas that had strong Russian influence and culture to begin with, kinda starts to fall apart.

Ukraine has used hospital and for military purposes according to Amnesty International but I do not believe this was the case here. In fact the New York Times reported only two civilian deaths, both adults. The missile used in the attack has a warhead with either 450 or 800kg of explosive material. A direct attack on the main hospital building would have leveled the entire building and buried dozens of people in the rubble, including children. All of the other missiles that were not intercepted by Ukrainian defenses hit strategic targets like factories and air defense. I only see two probably explanations. Either the hit on the hospital was a tragic accident or, despite all those alleged strikes in Syria, the Russians still haven't gotten the hang of how to conduct terror bombing.

Ever since WW2 it's been proven time and time again that terror bombing does not achieve the psychological effect to stop a war, it galvanizes the will of the civilian population to keep fighting. If you're going to be bombed in your home, if your hospitals are being destroyed and you're going to die of famine or disease even if the bombs don't get you, you might as well pick up a rifle and die fighting. It's counterproductive for the attacker. The hospital hit on Kyiv did motivate some Ukrainians to fight. Now the reports of civilian deaths in Kursk are also motivating the Russians to fight. It goes without saying that it is no different in the Middle East.

Eh, to me it would be establishment Democrats vs leftist Democrats, unless the Overton Window has shifted that much to match your description.

Well one thing that gives me this feeling is that a bunch of people are being accused of being "fake leftists" so I think that the overton window will probably shift heavily towards the left if Trump loses.

Well for a while till american rightwingers find a way to deal with continuing without Trump…

I mean I dont have much evidence but predicting the future rando.ly is one of the few good things I am good at.

im more worried of how trump will handle losing twice and how aggressive he and his cohorts will get

Oh it'll get violent, no idea how long it will last but there will be terrorist attacks and likely another attempt to storm the capitol

And now for some good news, here are the current polls as of 11th August, 2024.
HARRIS: 45.7%
TRUMP: 43.4%
KENNEDY: 5.1%
(Source)

Harris has a 2.3% lead, according to 538.