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Update as of July 3rd PROCEED WITH CAUTION As of July 1st, Valve has taken extensive measures to alleviate Team Fortress 2's botting crisis. While we as a community are incredibly grateful for the actions being taken, many of us believe that further evidence is required to warrant a newfound sense of confidence in game's future. If Bots Remain Gone By the Summer Update: These efforts require persistent and continuous upkeep, otherwise we run the risk reverting back to a bot-infested status quo. As the Summer Update draws near, Team Fortress 2 consumers should be heavily encouraged to adjust their spending habits and/or review scores based on whether or not these anti-bot measures continue. This would be great news! However, we must keep in mind that malicious actors have a heightened incentive to host bots during periods of major player-excitement. Before jumping the gun on any in-game or Steam market purchases, we highly recommend waiting on much more additional proof that bot accounts are being met with swift and consistent action. Examples include; game-bans, community bans, and/or account deletion. If Bots Return Before or After the Summer Update: We recommend withholding all monetary investment from TF2 until the issue has been resolved. Team Fortress 2 deserves to be in a playable state before players resume supporting the product financially.

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Trick 12 minutes ago We need to talk #KillTF2 I've noticed for a while now that there are some serious issues within this community. I'm not referring to the bots, however. There is a severe case of wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur plaguing this game. To cite an example, for the longest time, people within this community firmly believed that TF2 had solid player numbers. Upwards of 70K people playing this game. By now everybody should know the truth. But this revelation is nothing new. People have known for years, yet it only finds acceptance when one YouTuber comes along and disproves an utterly delusional stance on the matter. We had websites like Teamworktf displaying the real player numbers all these year, yet people would frequently put those into question. If you genuinely believe that 200K players flocked to this game during the summer update, then I can't help you. This brings us to today. Now we have our second big attempt to defibrillate this dead game by having everyone act like toddlers. "Whee whee, fix my game". That's all I hear from this movement. Let's be serious here for a second. Valve doesn't care. Why should they? Give me one good reason why Valve should dedicate valuable resources to fixing this nearly two-decade-old game. The revenue it generates is less than pocket money to them. And as far as reputation goes, Valve's cash-cow is Steam. They don't need any of their game titles to be a big name in the industry anymore. A petition, seriously? That's the best you can come up with? Everybody familiar enough with the internet knows that petitions don't to jack. You hand that to Valve, and Gaben runs it through his office shredder within 5 seconds of seeing it. There is nothing to be gained from fixing this game. At best, they will give you another Tweet, making false promises again. Where is the Heavy update? Remember that? Just please accept that this game has been taken off life support. Not even the community can keep it on life support for long, it's literally over. But let's assume Valve did fix the bot crisis for a second. All the bots, poof, gone. Now what? You're back to playing this outdated mess of a game that is decades behind in coding. Games that are released nowadays already come with much more stable codes and engines than what you're offered in TF2. So please, stop living a delusion and accept reality. The game is dead and there is no knight in shining armor coming to save you. Let's give this game a final goodbye. #KillTF2 [Closed Captions] [FWKZT) 16 minutes ago valve is a good company, your wrong you are expecting to much from them, they cannot fix tf2. they cannot save you from your nightmares. they are not god. there is no fix at the time of writing for the bot crisis, any fix is irrelevant or will get broken through. face the truth! Rebigela 16 hours ago Apparently "Lack of a pride event" is being blamed for the review bombing https://imgur.com/Yr420DT For those of you that don't want to click on the link: Person 1: I know, right? But it doesn't explain why it's getting so much hate. Person 2: The reason TF2 is getting so much hate is because there's no pride event for june. They are stuck with a dwindling playerbase, and can't pull in a modern audience because they don't feel welcome. Just about every major game and every major game company has a pride event, or pride themed things; Halo, Call of Duty, Warframe, World of Warcraft, Overwatch, The Sims 4, Activision, EA games, Ubisoft, etc. It's a show of respect to your playerbase, and reminding them that they're thought of. There's not as many bot players as there are p----- off people about there being no pride content. Did you notice how it peaked around June? That's no coincidence. Person 1: Considering that Pyro was confirmed gay, you think they'd jump on the opportunity. Swiftzei Jun 4 @ 1:08pm YOU VVILL HAVE BOTS PLAGUE YOUR GAME YOU VVILL HAVE VALVE NOT CARE YOU VVILL EAT ZE BUGS YOU VVILL HAVE VALVE GIVE YOU MEDIOCRE UPDATES YOU VVILL CONSUME ZE PRODUCT AND YOU VVILL BE HAPPY ? Adominai 24 minutes ago No hate to #FixTF2, but... I feel like #FixTF2 won't do anything to solve the bot crisis or improve the game. Like last time with #SaveTF2, Valve did respond by saying they would fix it, but they never did, so it basically failed. Valve has kind of abandoned this game, letting it slowly rot away. Negative review bombing won't help either; you're basically just telling anyone who wants to play the game that they shouldn't because of the bots. Anyways, this is just my opinion. Please don't get your pitchforks and torches and start chasing me in 2FORT UNBREAKABLE 8 minutes ago Originally posted by King of Games: it has led to some fun times on this otherwise boring forum. For that i salute them Personally I like calling the FixTF2 link a virus and making people write me an essay about how amazing the YouTubers are. Some funny moments from that. Last edited by UNBREAKABLE; 8 minutes ago Arc Jun 59:08am No **** It was just people putting a hashtag in their name while... playing TF2. With people already playing TF2. Or making youtube videos for... people who already play TF2. #3 It was the bare minimum effort put into a "movement" by dudes sat on their ass at home making absolutely no meaningful change to anything while patting themselves on the back. Hammer Of Evil 1 hour ago Best time for TF2 is now. all the angry dudes are downvoting and uninstalling in their little fake news protest. allchat has never been so calm, and racism free! join us (: Last edited by Hammer Of Evil: 1 hour ago

$I grow weary of this f------ forum and, frankly, deliberately antagonizing people while airing out my legitimate grievances isn't funny anymore. here's a moderately sized list of every reason you SHOULDN'T support fixtf2 1) team fortress 2 is older than the majority of the people currently pushing this inane movement and is INFAMOUS for its spaghetti code. do you want to work on a game this old, shambled together using awful duct-tape fixes for everything? no, no one does. 2) developing functioning anticheat is a cat-n-mouse game at best and a sisyphean task at worst;, not even massive companies with several thousand employees can develop anticheat for modern games that remains undefeated, even kernel level anticheat can be bypassed these days, the treadmill work simply isn't worth it. considering tf2 barely breaks even money-wise 3) valve is a privately traded company, your complaning will to nothing to shift their actions, the only reason review bombing worked for helldivers 2 is because sony is publicly traded, meaning they had to answer to their shareholders. shareholders can sue the hell out of any company that isn't living up to expectations, thus sony had to buckle to the community, valve has no such weakness, steam alone makes so much money that a complete and total boycott of the tf2 marketplace wouldn't even make a fraction of a dent in their overall profits. 4) valve's unique horizontal structure guarantees that nobody will work on t12 unless they want to be fired. in place of middle/upper management, valve has cliques and ego-driven senior devs that judge your decisions, choosing to work on tf2 instead of anything the senior devs prefer will almost certainly result in your termination from the company, that kind of work environment doesn't exactly facilitate the idea you can just get a job at valve and work on tf2 yourself. 76561199584261538- 46 minutes ago #FixTF2 Is killing tf2 The author of this topic has marked a post as the answer to their question. Click here to jump to that post. Originally posted by Telstra #KILLTF2: Originally posted by Paul: Either way the outcome will be a win/win. If they release updates, cool I guess. If they do nothing, game dies because people would finally realize Valve does not give a s---. If it gets removed from the store I get to laugh at all the traders who had valuable items There is a third outcome, Valve shutting TF2 down #SHUTDOWNTF2 sinjamin 50 minutes ago why do you guys care about saving tf2? the game is completely fine lol tf2 doesnt need saving, its perfectly fine. if youre complaining you should honestly stop being babies and just enjoy the game for what it is. valve wont lose money if you choose to complain, so quit yelling into the void 5) we already have proof that this is a MASSIVE waste of time across the board. remember the last two attempts to get valve to notice you? you got a tweet, a single tweet, you got some updates, some bug fixes, and that was enough to silence you entirely, nobody championing this movement has the attention span nor the backbone Showing 1-23 of 23 comments to make something like this work, even *IF* valve could be moved through community action these days. 6) the game is in no way unplayable. community servers exist and will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. saying tf2 is unplayable is a straight up lie. community moderation has unfortunate side effects (like facilitating the abuse of power if you disagree with them about anything), but it makes it far easier to outright ban any bots. tl;dr: t12 is old and full of spaghetti code so no one wants to fix it (and attempting to do so is very difficult) there's no such thing as good anticheat valve is privately traded so they can (and will) ignore your complaining valve's corporate structure disincentivizes working on tf2 there's no evidence the protestors even have the willpower to make this work community servers still exist and jannies, as annoying as they are, have more power to permaban bots overall fixtf2 is gay Paul 48 minutes ago I will scream about it just to spite you ▼sinjamin 47 minutes ago Originally posted by Paul I will scream about it just to spite you C good try then, because the game isnt going anywhere, you guys dont even play the game and youre crying Yesterday, I was informed (and have already tested) that as of the 64bit update, servers created with the -enablefakeip argument show up in the browser. This is a HUGE change that is simply too good to ignore. For details, you should read this amazing guide, but in short this means that setting up a public server is now easier than ever before. With -enablefakelp, you don't have to worry about neither port forwarding nor your IP falling into bad people's hands. As explained in the guide, which I again encourage you to read, you can either launch a local server (with the map mapname command or the "create server" button in main menu) or, if you want plugins and a lot more control, a dedicated one. If you're starting a local server, you'll need to use "sv_lan 0" and change the map once to make it show up in the browser as well as to connect to the item servers, and if you want a dedicated one, you'll have to set it up manually which isn't hard at all. Just follow one of the guides from the wiki: Windows Linux I don't know about you, but I've always wanted to try running a TF2 server with silly/amateur-made maps or plugins and play on them semi-seriously, just like in casual. And if you don't enjoy silly things like the many serious members of this forum, you are more than welcome to host your own thing that you wish to see. That's the kind of mentality I want to sprout from this. In a dream scenario where this idea takes off, maybe some people will even be making their own maps, plugins, mvm missions or host events where players will be able to submit their stuff. It will be pure, unadulterated community-made fun just like back in the day, and it will be awesome. The only downside of the -enablefakeip method is that the server's IP will be different every time it's launched, so sadly people won't be able to favorite it. At least, not unless a way to stabilize the IP is found or already known. For that reason and for the purposes of actually getting players on the server, I propose posting about it in this thread whenever you start one up. Previously I thought that it would be nice to use the desolate "looking for players" subforum for this, but nobody really goes there and hopefully the mods won't see it as advertising if it's all in one place. Additionally, if you're using a dedicated server, I think it's a good idea to use a tag specifically to mark these kind of "run by people, for the people" servers. I recommend "enablefakeip, savetf2, fixtf2". I know the last two are cringy, but it's already a well- established thing, so it wouldn't be hard to remember and would only garner more publicity. Ever since the failure of the first hashtag. I have been saying that the Team Fortress community is ironically awful at working as a team, so if you truly want to #save or #fix TF2 and prove me wrong, now would be the time to do it. EXALT 12 hours ago the sad thing is any new anticheat valve makes will ultimately just be a temporary fix as the bot hosters try to find away around it Valve also doesnt want to make the anti cheat to invasive so its kinda a lose lose situation$

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76561199584261538-Jun 3 @ 2:40pm Did fix tf2 fail yet? The author of this topic has marked a post as the answer to their question. Click here to jump to that post. Originally posted by George Floyd: hopefully. it's funny seeing them complain about my bots Showing 1-46 of 46 comments heal Jun 3 @ 2:42pm they'll give up in a week or so The author of this thread has indicated that this post answers the original topic. George Floyd Jun 3 @ 2:43pm hopefully. it's funny seeing them complain about my bots 76561199584261538▼ Jun 3 @ 2:44pm Originally posted by George Floyd: hopefully. it's funny seeing them complain about my bots Based MrToast29 ▼ 5 hours ago #fixtf2 is weird like i support getting rid of cheaters but do you really have to review bomb almost every valve game it makes the community look like crybabies Showing 1-1 of 1 comments calembredaine 5 hours ago respectable intent but sloppy execution imo #2 Xenon_Blaze 2 hours ago Imagine caring about casual Go play on community servers stop crying Femme Bunny 2 hours ago #FixTF2 Is a Joke If helldivers didn't actually do anything, what makes you think Valve will care about one of their least profitable games? SkullKid0155 | trade.tf 6 hours ago #FixTF2 is getting out of hand. The #FixTF2 movement has recently escalated, going from a protest to a battleground for harassment, accusations and humiliation, This is a reminder to all those involved that this movement is to advocate for the game to be fixed, not an excuse to cyberbully other innocent people. Lex 2 hours ago this is why tf2 wont get fixed just stop trying, they are trying to release deadlock and this 2007 game they are trying to bury to the ground isn't it obvious, no matter how bad the reviews get or the bot problem gets they do no CARE melvin sneedly #killtf2 11 hours ago the logic is literally just "HURR IT WORKED FOR HELLDIVERS SO IT'LL WORK FOR TF2 AS WELL". no deeper thought process, no true plan, it's just blindly copying something else without understanding why it worked. Jason. 11 hours ago also, even if TF2 was big enough for this to cause a dent on Valve, it still wouldnt matter, Valve is a private company and they make more than 90% of their revenue in Steam and Hardware sales. https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4339860450391643636/ #1 Baking Chocolate 7 hours ago Just play community servers. If you really want TF2 to live just go play community servers cause Causal mode if dead and valve has no intention on fixing it and I doubt they even can due to TF2's spaghetti code, which attempting a fix can even open a pandoras box of bugs and glitches that would do more harm like it did on the 64 bit update. Not to mention that in a matter of time cheaters will get through much like the flu always gets pass the newest vaccination cheaters will bypass the new vac and I doubt valve will keep up with it. Yes I know the bot hosters have done some illegal and degenerate things but that doesn't mean SaveTF2 should be turned into some vigilante movement, infact I think that would only do more harm than good. And hell who knows they hosters might actually get bored and leave when we all just stop complaining like they want you to do, and since Community servers have 3rd party anti-cheat and moderators it would be tough to stage a bot attack against them, not impossible but it wouldn't last for as long as Casual. Jason. 11 hours ago I don't quite understand what review bombing the game is supposed to do I've heard people say that "It worked for Helldivers 2". The reason why it worked for that game it's because helldivers 2 is a huge revenue stream and a high priority to Sony, the game is also very popular so it was also bad for their reputation. TF2 is neither ot these things. TF2 is not that popular today for people outside of the tf2 community to care nor is it a high priority to Valve, hell even their biggest game CS2 is starting to get the same treatment that we do. So I don't quite understand what this is supposed to do in this situation Last edited by Jason.; 11 hours ago chaewonfan2473655 hours ago IM SUEING VALVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CANT EVEN PLAY THE GAME ANYMORE. THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS TREAT MENT. FIX IT OR ELSE I WILL!!! AND I MEAN I WILL!!! SUE THEM.

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ShitfuckTF2 Consider joining my patreon >> 75 Ü rocketgreentea Online The Absolute State of the TF2 Community Award Add a comment Tsumugi 15 minutes ago TF2ubers are a bigger plague on the game than bots. TEAM FORTRESS 2 Pingas1189 ▼ 11 hours ago VALVE FIX THE GAME - #FIX TF2 900k views 20:01 9:37 1000 CRATES UNBOXING - FINALLY ANOTHER UNUSUAL???? 1.2M views GETTING AUSTRAL 5000TH M honestly... i don't really understand #fixtf2 movement Why would valve update the game that doesn't give them as much money as counter strike, dota 2 and... counter strike (valve is still a company after all) The same thing can be said about left 4 dead 2, but atleast that game gets(community) updates (against DDOS attacks) Originally posted by MARATHON: Players take pride in being apart of the collective tf2 community until they actually have to participate in it. Originally posted by LikeableEmmec: We as a community should not have to rely on community [...] servers OMG THEY KILLED TONY 2 minutes ago fixtf2 or savetf2 ISNT going to work. it didnt work the last time, and it's not gonna work again. no amount of review bombing or brigading is gonna fix that. you're not a revolutionary. View 1 comments & details Tags: Team Fortress 2 melvin sneedly #killtf2▾ TF2 has problems but bots are not one of them There, I said it. The "bot crisis" can be completely avoided if you just play on community servers. *B-but I- I dont want to play on community servers >> I cant be the 7th sniper and n-no random crits and so many tryhards (people who are better than me)☺☺ Then instead of complaining about the lack of "good" community servers and spamming hashtags begging Valve to make casual playable, the community can maybe try hosting "good" community servers. Someone did that and it actually ended up working and creating a good active place for lots of people who genuinely wants to play the game. Unlike Counter Strike 2, you have absolutely no reason to choose casual over community servers. So stop comparing the cheater situation in CS2 to TF2. There is a reason why old games like CS 1.6 and CSS and community servers in tf2 have never suffered from cheaters, its because you can just ban the cheaters from a server and the problem is completely solved Bots arent ruining the game at all, they are completely avoidable. Stop acting like Casual is the only way to play TF2. TF2 has worse problems in its core that you cant fix with custom server plugins and mods and #savetf2 doesnt really focus on them. less than 20k actual players Imfao tf2 is dead. fixtf2 wont do anything. start your own community server if you're so fed up with casual (and dont like the current community server lineup). actually, keep whining and doing nothing, it's funny to watch a bunch of redditors get really angry. Angom 2 hours ago I don't get all those "FixTF2" and "Bot" people are talking about Just turned on my Xbox 360 and jumped into a Team Fortress 2 match, and it was an absolute blast! I din't saw any of those bots, glitches, etc. It was just pure, unadulterated fun. What are you guys complaining about? Last edited by Angom; 2 hours ago https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4339860975800977197/ https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4339860800346723836/

TF2 steam threads expose not just how unorganized SaveTF2 is, but also how TF2 youtubers blatantly lie and propagandize information to get a stronger reaction and profit off of this movement

Despite being 16+ years old, Team Fortress 2 is one of the most played and most beloved games of all time. However, despite its massive community and long- lasting impact on gaming, TF2 is in an unplayable state. Starting off strong with a bunch of blatant misinformation here. TF2 is NOT one of the most played games of all time (beloved is also questionable). Despite popular belief, TF2 did not peak at 200,000 players like people have led you to believe, the information giving by steamcharts is not accurate, as it counts online players and not players in a server. Lastly, the only long-lasting impact this game had on gaming is introducing micro-transactions, so you can thank TF2 for the reason you have to pay for skins in every new game that releases. The game is overrun with bots that instantly kill every player trying to play the game, spread hate speech, and use their power over the community for financial gain. We want to show Valve that there is no room in the community for the problematic individuals who host these bots, and This Petition is not a direct means of changing things, but a show of numbers for the number of people who want to take a stand against them. While it is true that the game is overrun with bots, they are easily avoidable. Players can also kick them out easily. I'd say the cheater problem is worse than the bot problem as cheaters are harder to detect than the blatant spinbot sniper spamming The petition is just an example of how disorganized, and how unplanned this new *SaveTF2" is. It is also an example of how people will do anything to take advantage of the clout that SaveTF2 provides. The fundamental flaw of this hash tag is the fact it was concieved By youtubers For youtubers. They will always try to deny this but it's true, it was just a big advertisement. Not to mention the fact that they continuously push it. They weaponize their audiences by saying "Valve will definitely do something good this time, just spread this word everywhere! Its totally not advertising its caring for the game!" Instead of actually doing something helpful like spreading the word of community servers and how they can be used to avoid the bots, they decide to do this, this awful movement and brainwash people into loving it. Hell people get so brainwashed they go out of their way to attack anyone who doesn't support it (but thats a topic for another thread). Going back to the petition, its funny how they spread misinformation and ignore literal solutions for the sake of convincing someone to sign it. Its sad to see the community just fall for the SaveTF2 trap expecting anything to change, and then they make a petition expecting it to be the thing that definitely saves them. Change.org petitions rarely do anything and this will never effect anything whatsoever. voice lines and a noisemaker. Not to mention that community servers exist, if you really find kicking bots out of a lobby THAT terrible you can join one of the countless servers that have their own anticheat in place. Also, financial gain? Bot hosters don't get money for hosting bots, I have no idea where this point even came from? The only Its also sad to see people drop actual f------ money on this petition. Even buying a people who get financial gain from bots are TF2 YOUTUBERS as they profited heavily tf2 hat is f------ something, this is nothing. You are just wasting money on a thing off of the original #saveTF2 movement, and are probably planning to again since you that will never happen. The most this petition will ever do is make change.org 100 suckers love throwing them money. more dollars. Valve must do something, because these bots shouldn't have a platform in a beloved and massive game like TF2. We're asking for an open dialogue between Valve and the community. We understand that Valve has other responsibilities, but they have a responsibility to take care of TF2. We ask for open communication from Valve and more clear indication of their plans for TF2. This was mostly sparked from the item servers, because god forbid you cant use your crutch weapons or show off your femboy uwu loadout for 2 days. If you buy an item or read the TOS, you would know that if you spend money, your items will disappear if valve feels like it because you technically dont own it. This was the thing that sparked a second save tf2, and all of the sudden the tweet they were happy Valve will not do anything, and that is a fact. This is a false hope operation and I don't with was all of the sudden the worst thing that ever happened. know how people refuse to see this? The first time didn't work, so why would it work again? Especially with even less people backing it this time... You start another #saveTF2 because the item servers are down for a couple of days? What a joke. God forbid you lose your 5,000 dollar inventories for 2 days guys. Maybe enjoy the game the way it was intended to be played without all of the crutch unlocks? Valve does not do open dialogue, and they never will. It is also not their responsibility to take care of TF2, as the game is not in an "unplayable" state. Unplayable means that you are not able to play the game. I can boot up TF2 right now and get in a match. So no, TF2 is not "unplayable". **please do not donate to promote this petition, simply share it with friends. This part is the funniest to me, because the guy who posted this explicitly said not to donate. (Because it won't do anything) yet like the hive-mind the TF2 community is. they throw away their money on a useless petition that won't do anything anyway. Congratulations guys, you threw money at a stranger that doesn't even know what to do with it. You sure showed those bot hosters! Together we can #saveTF2! TL:DR This movement is a joke, the petition is flawed. Accept the fact that another major update will never come. It pains me to see them just constantly try an already proven useless solution. maybe try something new. Try spreading the word of community servers, maybe to a massive charity donation event the size of the og savetf2 (instead of dropping money on a useless petition drop money on people who need it), or maybe SOMETHING else. But no, they are already tricked into using this, and I wont be surprised if in 2 years, this resurfaces. https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4334229775340726817/ (Thread was too long to screenshot so here's the link) Review Bombing TF2 Is a Bad Idea FixTF2 was a failed movement from the start, Valve did nothing today and will still do nothing later. By review bombing the game you're discouraging new players from playing this already dying game. It's like you guys WANT tf2 to die faster or something. Don't you all like this game? Don't be surprised if you see the player numbers drop even more than they have been. This movement has caused more damage to this game than the bot hosters. The author of this topic has marked a post as the answer to their question. Click here to jump to that post. Originally posted by Cat_Soldier: Idk why they think that just because helldivers 2 did it (which is a much more popular game and has more influence) can do it, so can tf2 (an older game with much less players and impact in the modern day) Originally posted by Gnome Truther: Originally posted by shiib: youtuber goes low on views → restarts savetf2 for attention → braindead sleeper agents awaken and fall for it → they rush onto all platforms to spam the # → they get disappointed once the # ends and it achieves nothing → they go back to standby until next savetf2 video → repeat Originally posted by PMC Portable Merc Collector: I genuinely think TF2 will become more akin to TFC, a abandoned but beloved classic with just community servers to play on. Not a bad thing either! People love to shout about how "TF2 DEAD GAME" but in reality, while the game is abandoned, the fanbase sure as hell isn't. Videos on TF2 gain multiple times the amount of viewers and attention as people playing TF2. The fanbase has turned multimedia, most of them don't play the game, instead it's shown through art, memes, mods for other games, in videos, etc. Hell the vast majority of TF2 doesn't even come from TF21 It comes from SFM and Gmodl We don't need to save TF2 again, it never needed saving, we just gotta make sure the game can still be played how we want it over on community servers. We just need to migratel Plus, when the community servers become the main option, the bots will just magically disappear as a problem. Community mods will do better then VAC ever will. Is it a foolproof solution? No, there'll be likely many hurdles, but I think imo it's the best option we got. Did I do it right?

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