Buster minutes ago Not sure if i should cry or laugh for the tf2 community I dont think ive ever seen the tf2 community worser than now. People are losing it, left and right are fighting each other, valve still is laughing their ass off and the game holds up like glued glass. Im not sure what to say at all, it sure as hell isnt over nor should it be, but this is the most saddest display ive seen for this community. All we can do now is wise decisions. Valve has proven that they dont care for us nor the game even with every content creator on your side they wont lift a finger. I do hope the game and the community fixes itself but I will be honest. If all of you want your favorite game to stay alive and not forgotten, abandoned then come up with a better plan. Make valve worry, make them WANT to update the game i will give a hint, its not you or us they are worried about. TF2 community good luck. Showing 1-2 of 2 comments Laina ▾ 3 minutes ago The TF2 community is either children or manchildren who stopped aging past 12 despite being in their thirties. When I say the game is dead I don't just mean it's dead because there's no players and so many bots, but I also mean it's dead because the playerbase is so severely socially underdeveloped and the game is so abandoned that no one is going to want to stick around long enough inside a game that is, effectively, a rubber room filled with tiktok children and bronies. Ktulu84 3 hours ago Originally posted by SkullKid0155 | trade.tf Originally posted by Ktulu84: #killtf2 is a joke, stop taking us seriously, no one is trying to kill the game the game is quite dead anyways Tell that to the people unironically posting the hashtag. Tell that to the entire discord server created by the bot hosters *dedicated* to the hashtag. No one is unironically posting it, they just hate #savetf2 -which is understandable- so they are spreading an anti savetf2 movement and no, even bot hosters and cheaters dont want this game to be killed or dead Last edited by Ktulu84; 3 hours ago Darksoulz48 15 minutes ago As much as it pains me to say this, Valve could care less about Casual. Valve has shown little to zero interest in supporting this game outside of making cosmetics. The best course of action is to move to community servers. (listen i know i can see disapproval in this but just listen). The right community servers with casual play can be a place for people to get to know one another more. Halloween events are kinda shafted but lets be honest most the cosmetics can probably be obtained with a little bit of money. It sucks that we cant go on Halloween without some J------- Injecting Omegatronic bots into every server but sadly its the reality of the situation. I recommend Skial servers since they are more casual friendly compared to Uncletopia. Of course i cannot guarantee that there wont be the occasional jerk on those servers however the experience i have been having on those servers are almost always positive. Let the bot hosters waste their time and money on injecting bots into empty servers while we enjoy community servers. I do want #fixTf2 to work but keep in mind a similar movement was launched and Valve did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Showing 1-3 of 3 comments (GPG) Waka Flocka Flame 11 minutes ago u can make ur own community servers using -enablefakelp as a launch option. works with srcds too. made my own mge server with it. shows up to server browser and all. ppl should do this to avoid skial/ugc/blackwonder slop (filled with plugins that hurt server performance) edit: to make server appear on the browser, u must change the map once using "map (mapname)". changelevel won't work. Last edited by (GPG) Waka Flocka Flame; 8 minutes ago Cat_Soldier 9 hours ago We just need more community server awareness in general. Hosting more servers doesn't make sense without people to fill them out and it is just a waste of resources. Obviously what we should do is spread the word of community servers a lot more to a similar degree or even just 40% of savetf2/fixtf2 so that masses can be encouraged to actually try out servers instead of instantly dismissing them. We know how to host servers now without dropping hundreds of dollars on server costs, all we need is more players actually willing to join those servers and willing to try out and search for servers. https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4333105773322755519/ olivine 16 hours ago why dont you just play on community servers no bots no random crits depending on the server you choose (for the autistics) wider map/mode variety (you dont have to go to the main menu to change the mode you want to play) all the people flaming valve wanting them to "fix tf2" are deliberately ignoring that the game had 9 years worth of patches with only a server browser to join games with. stop feeding the disease of MyM Last edited by olivine: 16 hours ago 76561198021128124 (Banned) 16 hours ago Because Youtubers I was either unaware of or entirely apathetic to before made them and people keep telling me to hate Youtubers that feed me ideas. Last edited by 76561198021128124; 15 hours ago squeaksquash 3 hours ago Why are people so opposed to switching to community servers I have only seen two reasons: 1. Every server is 10x rtd trade_minecraft (blatantly untrue) 2. Tryhards (even though casual also has tryhards and they're not a bad thing) If you are opposed to playing only on community servers why Danizko 9 hours ago Saying "just host more servers" is as stupid as promoting #fixTF2 tl;dr: we don't need more servers, we need an coordinated way to populate servers, and this is a thread where you can submit your ideas on how to do it (if anyone really cares)

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Update as of July 3rd PROCEED WITH CAUTION As of July 1st, Valve has taken extensive measures to alleviate Team Fortress 2's botting crisis. While we as a community are incredibly grateful for the actions being taken, many of us believe that further evidence is required to warrant a newfound sense of confidence in game's future. If Bots Remain Gone By the Summer Update: These efforts require persistent and continuous upkeep, otherwise we run the risk reverting back to a bot-infested status quo. As the Summer Update draws near, Team Fortress 2 consumers should be heavily encouraged to adjust their spending habits and/or review scores based on whether or not these anti-bot measures continue. This would be great news! However, we must keep in mind that malicious actors have a heightened incentive to host bots during periods of major player-excitement. Before jumping the gun on any in-game or Steam market purchases, we highly recommend waiting on much more additional proof that bot accounts are being met with swift and consistent action. Examples include; game-bans, community bans, and/or account deletion. If Bots Return Before or After the Summer Update: We recommend withholding all monetary investment from TF2 until the issue has been resolved. Team Fortress 2 deserves to be in a playable state before players resume supporting the product financially.

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Robin Atkin Downes @Robin A Downes It makes me sad to see so many of you upset about ze current state of Team Fortress 2..... As your medic I vish I could heal you all und heal ze game.... Und #fixtf2 FLAP O

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Trick 12 minutes ago We need to talk #KillTF2 I've noticed for a while now that there are some serious issues within this community. I'm not referring to the bots, however. There is a severe case of wishful thinking and delusions of grandeur plaguing this game. To cite an example, for the longest time, people within this community firmly believed that TF2 had solid player numbers. Upwards of 70K people playing this game. By now everybody should know the truth. But this revelation is nothing new. People have known for years, yet it only finds acceptance when one YouTuber comes along and disproves an utterly delusional stance on the matter. We had websites like Teamworktf displaying the real player numbers all these year, yet people would frequently put those into question. If you genuinely believe that 200K players flocked to this game during the summer update, then I can't help you. This brings us to today. Now we have our second big attempt to defibrillate this dead game by having everyone act like toddlers. "Whee whee, fix my game". That's all I hear from this movement. Let's be serious here for a second. Valve doesn't care. Why should they? Give me one good reason why Valve should dedicate valuable resources to fixing this nearly two-decade-old game. The revenue it generates is less than pocket money to them. And as far as reputation goes, Valve's cash-cow is Steam. They don't need any of their game titles to be a big name in the industry anymore. A petition, seriously? That's the best you can come up with? Everybody familiar enough with the internet knows that petitions don't to jack. You hand that to Valve, and Gaben runs it through his office shredder within 5 seconds of seeing it. There is nothing to be gained from fixing this game. At best, they will give you another Tweet, making false promises again. Where is the Heavy update? Remember that? Just please accept that this game has been taken off life support. Not even the community can keep it on life support for long, it's literally over. But let's assume Valve did fix the bot crisis for a second. All the bots, poof, gone. Now what? You're back to playing this outdated mess of a game that is decades behind in coding. Games that are released nowadays already come with much more stable codes and engines than what you're offered in TF2. So please, stop living a delusion and accept reality. The game is dead and there is no knight in shining armor coming to save you. Let's give this game a final goodbye. #KillTF2 [Closed Captions] [FWKZT) 16 minutes ago valve is a good company, your wrong you are expecting to much from them, they cannot fix tf2. they cannot save you from your nightmares. they are not god. there is no fix at the time of writing for the bot crisis, any fix is irrelevant or will get broken through. face the truth! Rebigela 16 hours ago Apparently "Lack of a pride event" is being blamed for the review bombing https://imgur.com/Yr420DT For those of you that don't want to click on the link: Person 1: I know, right? But it doesn't explain why it's getting so much hate. Person 2: The reason TF2 is getting so much hate is because there's no pride event for june. They are stuck with a dwindling playerbase, and can't pull in a modern audience because they don't feel welcome. Just about every major game and every major game company has a pride event, or pride themed things; Halo, Call of Duty, Warframe, World of Warcraft, Overwatch, The Sims 4, Activision, EA games, Ubisoft, etc. It's a show of respect to your playerbase, and reminding them that they're thought of. There's not as many bot players as there are p----- off people about there being no pride content. Did you notice how it peaked around June? That's no coincidence. Person 1: Considering that Pyro was confirmed gay, you think they'd jump on the opportunity. Swiftzei Jun 4 @ 1:08pm YOU VVILL HAVE BOTS PLAGUE YOUR GAME YOU VVILL HAVE VALVE NOT CARE YOU VVILL EAT ZE BUGS YOU VVILL HAVE VALVE GIVE YOU MEDIOCRE UPDATES YOU VVILL CONSUME ZE PRODUCT AND YOU VVILL BE HAPPY ? Adominai 24 minutes ago No hate to #FixTF2, but... I feel like #FixTF2 won't do anything to solve the bot crisis or improve the game. Like last time with #SaveTF2, Valve did respond by saying they would fix it, but they never did, so it basically failed. Valve has kind of abandoned this game, letting it slowly rot away. Negative review bombing won't help either; you're basically just telling anyone who wants to play the game that they shouldn't because of the bots. Anyways, this is just my opinion. Please don't get your pitchforks and torches and start chasing me in 2FORT UNBREAKABLE 8 minutes ago Originally posted by King of Games: it has led to some fun times on this otherwise boring forum. For that i salute them Personally I like calling the FixTF2 link a virus and making people write me an essay about how amazing the YouTubers are. Some funny moments from that. Last edited by UNBREAKABLE; 8 minutes ago Arc Jun 59:08am No **** It was just people putting a hashtag in their name while... playing TF2. With people already playing TF2. Or making youtube videos for... people who already play TF2. #3 It was the bare minimum effort put into a "movement" by dudes sat on their ass at home making absolutely no meaningful change to anything while patting themselves on the back. Hammer Of Evil 1 hour ago Best time for TF2 is now. all the angry dudes are downvoting and uninstalling in their little fake news protest. allchat has never been so calm, and racism free! join us (: Last edited by Hammer Of Evil: 1 hour ago

$I grow weary of this f------ forum and, frankly, deliberately antagonizing people while airing out my legitimate grievances isn't funny anymore. here's a moderately sized list of every reason you SHOULDN'T support fixtf2 1) team fortress 2 is older than the majority of the people currently pushing this inane movement and is INFAMOUS for its spaghetti code. do you want to work on a game this old, shambled together using awful duct-tape fixes for everything? no, no one does. 2) developing functioning anticheat is a cat-n-mouse game at best and a sisyphean task at worst;, not even massive companies with several thousand employees can develop anticheat for modern games that remains undefeated, even kernel level anticheat can be bypassed these days, the treadmill work simply isn't worth it. considering tf2 barely breaks even money-wise 3) valve is a privately traded company, your complaning will to nothing to shift their actions, the only reason review bombing worked for helldivers 2 is because sony is publicly traded, meaning they had to answer to their shareholders. shareholders can sue the hell out of any company that isn't living up to expectations, thus sony had to buckle to the community, valve has no such weakness, steam alone makes so much money that a complete and total boycott of the tf2 marketplace wouldn't even make a fraction of a dent in their overall profits. 4) valve's unique horizontal structure guarantees that nobody will work on t12 unless they want to be fired. in place of middle/upper management, valve has cliques and ego-driven senior devs that judge your decisions, choosing to work on tf2 instead of anything the senior devs prefer will almost certainly result in your termination from the company, that kind of work environment doesn't exactly facilitate the idea you can just get a job at valve and work on tf2 yourself. 76561199584261538- 46 minutes ago #FixTF2 Is killing tf2 The author of this topic has marked a post as the answer to their question. Click here to jump to that post. Originally posted by Telstra #KILLTF2: Originally posted by Paul: Either way the outcome will be a win/win. If they release updates, cool I guess. If they do nothing, game dies because people would finally realize Valve does not give a s---. If it gets removed from the store I get to laugh at all the traders who had valuable items There is a third outcome, Valve shutting TF2 down #SHUTDOWNTF2 sinjamin 50 minutes ago why do you guys care about saving tf2? the game is completely fine lol tf2 doesnt need saving, its perfectly fine. if youre complaining you should honestly stop being babies and just enjoy the game for what it is. valve wont lose money if you choose to complain, so quit yelling into the void 5) we already have proof that this is a MASSIVE waste of time across the board. remember the last two attempts to get valve to notice you? you got a tweet, a single tweet, you got some updates, some bug fixes, and that was enough to silence you entirely, nobody championing this movement has the attention span nor the backbone Showing 1-23 of 23 comments to make something like this work, even *IF* valve could be moved through community action these days. 6) the game is in no way unplayable. community servers exist and will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. saying tf2 is unplayable is a straight up lie. community moderation has unfortunate side effects (like facilitating the abuse of power if you disagree with them about anything), but it makes it far easier to outright ban any bots. tl;dr: t12 is old and full of spaghetti code so no one wants to fix it (and attempting to do so is very difficult) there's no such thing as good anticheat valve is privately traded so they can (and will) ignore your complaining valve's corporate structure disincentivizes working on tf2 there's no evidence the protestors even have the willpower to make this work community servers still exist and jannies, as annoying as they are, have more power to permaban bots overall fixtf2 is gay Paul 48 minutes ago I will scream about it just to spite you ▼sinjamin 47 minutes ago Originally posted by Paul I will scream about it just to spite you C good try then, because the game isnt going anywhere, you guys dont even play the game and youre crying Yesterday, I was informed (and have already tested) that as of the 64bit update, servers created with the -enablefakeip argument show up in the browser. This is a HUGE change that is simply too good to ignore. For details, you should read this amazing guide, but in short this means that setting up a public server is now easier than ever before. With -enablefakelp, you don't have to worry about neither port forwarding nor your IP falling into bad people's hands. As explained in the guide, which I again encourage you to read, you can either launch a local server (with the map mapname command or the "create server" button in main menu) or, if you want plugins and a lot more control, a dedicated one. If you're starting a local server, you'll need to use "sv_lan 0" and change the map once to make it show up in the browser as well as to connect to the item servers, and if you want a dedicated one, you'll have to set it up manually which isn't hard at all. Just follow one of the guides from the wiki: Windows Linux I don't know about you, but I've always wanted to try running a TF2 server with silly/amateur-made maps or plugins and play on them semi-seriously, just like in casual. And if you don't enjoy silly things like the many serious members of this forum, you are more than welcome to host your own thing that you wish to see. That's the kind of mentality I want to sprout from this. In a dream scenario where this idea takes off, maybe some people will even be making their own maps, plugins, mvm missions or host events where players will be able to submit their stuff. It will be pure, unadulterated community-made fun just like back in the day, and it will be awesome. The only downside of the -enablefakeip method is that the server's IP will be different every time it's launched, so sadly people won't be able to favorite it. At least, not unless a way to stabilize the IP is found or already known. For that reason and for the purposes of actually getting players on the server, I propose posting about it in this thread whenever you start one up. Previously I thought that it would be nice to use the desolate "looking for players" subforum for this, but nobody really goes there and hopefully the mods won't see it as advertising if it's all in one place. Additionally, if you're using a dedicated server, I think it's a good idea to use a tag specifically to mark these kind of "run by people, for the people" servers. I recommend "enablefakeip, savetf2, fixtf2". I know the last two are cringy, but it's already a well- established thing, so it wouldn't be hard to remember and would only garner more publicity. Ever since the failure of the first hashtag. I have been saying that the Team Fortress community is ironically awful at working as a team, so if you truly want to #save or #fix TF2 and prove me wrong, now would be the time to do it. EXALT 12 hours ago the sad thing is any new anticheat valve makes will ultimately just be a temporary fix as the bot hosters try to find away around it Valve also doesnt want to make the anti cheat to invasive so its kinda a lose lose situation$

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76561199584261538-Jun 3 @ 2:40pm Did fix tf2 fail yet? The author of this topic has marked a post as the answer to their question. Click here to jump to that post. Originally posted by George Floyd: hopefully. it's funny seeing them complain about my bots Showing 1-46 of 46 comments heal Jun 3 @ 2:42pm they'll give up in a week or so The author of this thread has indicated that this post answers the original topic. George Floyd Jun 3 @ 2:43pm hopefully. it's funny seeing them complain about my bots 76561199584261538▼ Jun 3 @ 2:44pm Originally posted by George Floyd: hopefully. it's funny seeing them complain about my bots Based MrToast29 ▼ 5 hours ago #fixtf2 is weird like i support getting rid of cheaters but do you really have to review bomb almost every valve game it makes the community look like crybabies Showing 1-1 of 1 comments calembredaine 5 hours ago respectable intent but sloppy execution imo #2 Xenon_Blaze 2 hours ago Imagine caring about casual Go play on community servers stop crying Femme Bunny 2 hours ago #FixTF2 Is a Joke If helldivers didn't actually do anything, what makes you think Valve will care about one of their least profitable games? SkullKid0155 | trade.tf 6 hours ago #FixTF2 is getting out of hand. The #FixTF2 movement has recently escalated, going from a protest to a battleground for harassment, accusations and humiliation, This is a reminder to all those involved that this movement is to advocate for the game to be fixed, not an excuse to cyberbully other innocent people. Lex 2 hours ago this is why tf2 wont get fixed just stop trying, they are trying to release deadlock and this 2007 game they are trying to bury to the ground isn't it obvious, no matter how bad the reviews get or the bot problem gets they do no CARE melvin sneedly #killtf2 11 hours ago the logic is literally just "HURR IT WORKED FOR HELLDIVERS SO IT'LL WORK FOR TF2 AS WELL". no deeper thought process, no true plan, it's just blindly copying something else without understanding why it worked. Jason. 11 hours ago also, even if TF2 was big enough for this to cause a dent on Valve, it still wouldnt matter, Valve is a private company and they make more than 90% of their revenue in Steam and Hardware sales. https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4339860450391643636/ #1 Baking Chocolate 7 hours ago Just play community servers. If you really want TF2 to live just go play community servers cause Causal mode if dead and valve has no intention on fixing it and I doubt they even can due to TF2's spaghetti code, which attempting a fix can even open a pandoras box of bugs and glitches that would do more harm like it did on the 64 bit update. Not to mention that in a matter of time cheaters will get through much like the flu always gets pass the newest vaccination cheaters will bypass the new vac and I doubt valve will keep up with it. Yes I know the bot hosters have done some illegal and degenerate things but that doesn't mean SaveTF2 should be turned into some vigilante movement, infact I think that would only do more harm than good. And hell who knows they hosters might actually get bored and leave when we all just stop complaining like they want you to do, and since Community servers have 3rd party anti-cheat and moderators it would be tough to stage a bot attack against them, not impossible but it wouldn't last for as long as Casual. Jason. 11 hours ago I don't quite understand what review bombing the game is supposed to do I've heard people say that "It worked for Helldivers 2". The reason why it worked for that game it's because helldivers 2 is a huge revenue stream and a high priority to Sony, the game is also very popular so it was also bad for their reputation. TF2 is neither ot these things. TF2 is not that popular today for people outside of the tf2 community to care nor is it a high priority to Valve, hell even their biggest game CS2 is starting to get the same treatment that we do. So I don't quite understand what this is supposed to do in this situation Last edited by Jason.; 11 hours ago chaewonfan2473655 hours ago IM SUEING VALVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CANT EVEN PLAY THE GAME ANYMORE. THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS TREAT MENT. FIX IT OR ELSE I WILL!!! AND I MEAN I WILL!!! SUE THEM.

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Just some more threads that show how stupid this movement is. The ones on the top and center are especially noteworthy.

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TL:DR: This movement (along with any movements like this in the future) will fail and always fail because the foundation these movements have set up is severely flawed. Do not support SaveTF2 or any similar movements. Do not support TF2 Youtubers who advertise these movements. Just don't trust anything relating to SaveTF2/FixTF2 at all.

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