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@X-singular

That would be me.

@gigatoast
Did I say anything about wanting them back? No. I just said they looked pretty scary.
You must be on something if you think 80s cartoons sucked.

Anyway, here's a new topic.

(Picture unrelated, but awesome)

Do you guys think I could pull off a Tumblr ask blog? That'd certainly help get Screwball some much needed attention, and help define her oh-so-unexplored personality. Hell, it worked for Surprise.

I'm pretty confident in my ability to both draw clean and expressive art and write funny and coherent answers, but I'm far from sure I could do it.

@Dac: You kidding me? Having not grown up in the 80s I have zero nostalgia for that kind of crap. Watching them now, everything is just a stilted advertisement for some toy line meant to appeal to kids and no one else.

Up until Stephen Spielburg showed up and rescued us from the dark ages with BtaS and Animaniacs.

I shouldnt have even shared that image…

Anyways, look guys i made an oc pony. LOOK AT IT. YOUR JELLY CAUSE ITS A NINJA.

Also mandatory share of my Facebook group, it needs more activity.

I has sexy logo to get your attention.

International Brony Association

@ dac

thanks to this image that you posted

and the brostep megamix i was listening too

I had plenty of lulz

@gigatoast

Inspector gadget, teenage mutant ninja turtles, Alvin and the chipmunks, duck tales, thunder cats, transformers etc.
You're right, a shitty decade…

Sure, they are all a bit campy, but its just part of the appeal.

The Real Ghostbusters.

Lol, I'm biased.

@Gigatoast
Yeah, I haven't really seen any popular screwball tumblrs. If you can do some good drawing, or find someone else to do the drawings, then I guess you could do it. Most tumblrs have some random asks at first then goes on to a storyline.

That's the same thing I'd tell you about the "Earnest" movies, or any of the other dumb stuff I grew up with, but I wouldn't call them good.

It's hard to look at things objectively when we're blinded by nostalgia. That "appeal" doesn't come from the show itself, it comes from remembering how much you loved it when you where a kid.

Oh, and for the record I wan't implying that you wanted any G1 stuff in FiM, my post was directed more towards the topic in general.

The fact we have to remember here though is that Nathan jumped into a discussion that was already going on. The non-brony was butthurt by ponies and the brony was butthurt by the dislike of the non-brony. Therefore there was no possible ignore option offered to Nathan. Of couse, Nathan could choose to ignore the situation, but based on the reaction of the brony it wouldn't reach anything, as this discussion would most likely continue in the fashion before Nathan jumped in. Therefore the best option is to jump in and make both sides aware of the flaws in their arguments, as not doing anything could have a much worse outcome. Luckily in this situation both sides accepted this, something which you don't see all the time.

If the non-brony was a troll, then I would've agreed with ignoring, as they feed of your reaction. But there was no troll involved in this, only butthurt and arguments. Negative talk =/= trolling, even though this is a common reaction with this.

@X-Singular

I believe the explorer OC was from Opspe. I remember this as I photoshopped a few of his creations.

Like that one.

My younger brother was born in 1998 and he enjoys watching those shows when I put them on. Anyways, I don't understand how you can be a hardcore brony and hate the 80's cartoons. The reason I like mlp is because it reminds me of the cartoons from the 80s and 90s and let's be honest, mlp doesn't actually appeal to adults any more than those cartoons.

I posted this on "the brony doctrine" thread and I might as well post it here.

I have a very strong reason to side with the bronies. Through-out high school I was the school pacifist. Thus, they knew I wouldn’t fight back against being punched, spat on, and getting my stuff stolen (often using my atheism as an excuse for their behavior, like that makes it better somehow). What I did was I sat down one of the aggressors to talk, he told me about his abusive older brother- how he was treated like dirt for a good portion of his life. I hugged him. Do I forgive him? No, not really. He has seems to at least be trying to get better over time, and has made some actual friends. I’m proud of him.

What does this have to do with anything?

We live in a world where people steel their emotions toward others and toward the future. Where fists are given more reverence the words. I fear for the future. The brony community, on the other hand, has been the kindest and most accepting group of individuals I’ve ever met.
If there is hope, it lies with the bronies.

@Gigatoast:

I imagine the hardest part of it is putting out the art fast enough to keep up with the questions and stuff. I think you could do it, but it's all your decision, in the end.

I mean, you're art is awesome and all that, but having an ask blog leads to a lot more demand to pump out art faster.

@I Am Nathan:

Call that an OC?

Bitch, please.

@80s cartoons:

My +10 nostalgia resistance tells me they weren't any better than modern cartoons, so I don't really give a fuck.

As for Dac's comment… Well, I never watched MLP before Gen 4, so it doesn't remind me of anything besides Disney, really, because it's that awesome. Classic Disney movies appeal to a large audience, so I can understand the appeal of Gen 4 MLP.

@Windigo:

What are you, gay or something? Punching people solves all your problems!

No, but seriously, I tried ignoring the people I got in a fight with, but they would actually ambush me outside of class and beat on me. Either way, your response is probably smarter.

"As for Dac’s comment… Well, I never watched MLP before Gen 4, so it doesn’t remind me of anything besides Disney, really, because it’s that awesome. Classic Disney movies appeal to a large audience, so I can understand the appeal of Gen 4 MLP."

I meant all the cartoons from those decades, I've only seen mlp gen1. Also, Im not saying they are better, but I'm saying they don't suck.

@randomman

If he knew the brony or the hater, then it was good to set things straight. If not, best just to stay out of it.

Ummm, no, FiM is nothing like those cartoons. It's very much Faustian and brings back memories of PPG, Johnny Bravo, Dexter's Lab, Foster's, and all the other late 90s, early 2000s cartoons that marked the golden age of Cartoon Network. With a bit of Spongebob (at it's prime, one of the funniest cartoons of all time) mixed in for good measure.

And it makes sense, because if you look at the writing staff, almost all of them worked on those series'.

BUT unlike those shows FiM has a solid canon and much more complex characters, so it also harbors similarities to adult oriented cartoons like Venture Brothers or Futurama.

And really, lets roll back a bit.

mlp doesn’t actually appeal to adults any more than those cartoons.

There is so much evidence to disprove that notion it's staggering. Howabout the fact that 75% of the Brony fanbase is over 18? Yet the only adult fans of those old 80s cartoons grew up with them.

And I'd like to make the point that, as far as animation is concerned, FiM is in a league of it's own. It is literally the best use of flash that has ever aired on television, and it's quality makes even other modern cartoons laughable.

@Solaire: I honestly can't think of anything other then the Hub that I'd want to watch in this day and age, cause most things suck to me, but you know, maybe that's just me.

So about season 3…
Could we possibly be looking at a season premiere without a villain?
Would you prefer there being a villain or not this time?

I think we shouldn't have a villain for the premiere, the finale however yes, but using an old villain like chrysalis or discord (or from what M.A. Larson said, both of them working together (I think it was him atleast)).

@Gigatoast
If you feel up to it, go ahead and give a tumblr a try.
Like Solaire said, it might create a lot of demand for art, but I know that some artists thrive on that kind of attention/pressure.
It would be interesting to see your take on Screwball.
FYI, I found that there are technically at least two other Screwball tumblrs already put there, though the first hasn't updated in a month and the other hasn't for eight months.
Here they are for reference, if you care: ONE TWO
I think their inactivity safely opens up the field for you to jump in without stepping on anyone else's toes.
Good luck if you decide to go ahead with it!

@80s cartoons
As with anything, nostalgia may lead people to block out the bad and only remember the good.
I was born in 1988, so most of my experience is with 90s cartoons, but I did love Inspector Gadget and I recall seeing a few Thundercats as well.
I never really liked the old Hasbro stuff, though.
That includes MLP, G.I. Joe and Transformers.
I don't think it's really fair to try to judge an entire decade of content as either 'good' or 'bad.'
Say what you liked and what you didn't; there's no point in the generalization to me.

@Mega
A premiere without a villain might be a good change of pace.
We've had two premieres and one finale all with major villain, so introducing another might feel… 'forced.'
As if they need to have some crazy new character every time.
I still think they will strive to make the opening suitably 'epic,' but a major evil character should only come in if it is truly interesting and unique and not just because they think they have to have one.

Based on the reactions and the fact that it was Facebook and not some random thread on 4chan, I think I can assume he knew the people.

"BUT unlike those shows FiM has a solid canon and much more complex characters, so it also harbors similarities to adult oriented cartoons like Venture Brothers or Futurama."

No, I would never compare mlp with venture bros. spongebob, powerpuff girls, Johnny bravo, yes. But not those. You hold mlp to a way higher standard than it is, but that's fine I guess.

"There is so much evidence to disprove that notion it’s staggering. Howabout the fact that 75% of the Brony fanbase is over 18? Yet the only adult fans of those old 80s cartoons grew up with them."

Bronies are usually people that already liked cartoons as adults, so they can put up with it. Plus the Internet is a big factor in its poularity, something that wasn't around in the 80s. Also remember that adults wouldn't just wake up Saturday morning to watch cartoons and since they didn't, there was no way for them to watch them any other time. Another thing, ive seen people who hate cartoons fall in love with korra, avatar, spongebob, adventure time, and regular show. I have yet to see the same with mlp. You could blame it on the subject matter, but still it's worth noting. Mlp is a good show that any adult can put up with, but it doesn't have the broad appeal you think it does. edit: 75% of bronies may be over 18, but remember, there aren't exactly a lot of bronies.

"And I’d like to make the point that, as far as animation is concerned, FiM is in a league of it’s own. It is literally the best use of flash that has ever aired on television, and it’s quality makes even other modern cartoons laughable"

Yeah, some cartoons have bad animation, but I wouldn't say mlp is in a league of its own. Its no better than the new looney tunes show, spongebob, or adventure time. TLA and LOK are in a league of their own however( Umad?) Also Motorcity and tron uprising
Honestly, I hate it when bronies talk as if mlp is as good as sex. It's good, but shit, talking bad about other cartoons and saying they suck is just as bad as when haters say that about mlp

@randomman
Fair enough

@deadparrot
Yes, it's not good to generalize and say the whole decade sucked.

We're talking about old gens now? I fell this guy's opinions reflect my own pretty well.

Since Season 2 ended with a villain it would almost seem redundant to introduce another one so soon, I would prefer a return of one (or more) previous villains. Obviously the stakes have to be much higher then a regular episode, even if there is no villain.

@Solaire/Parrot:
You're right, the biggest concern with starting a Tumblr is frequency and consistency of content. I have to be ready to devote hours and hours of my life to it, which is fine, I do have a lot of spare time.

The problem is with motivation, I mean, I rarely ever finish any of my big projects because I run out of steam. But maybe that wouldn't be a problem, I do love Screwball and a Tumblr wouldn't require the vast amounts of time per picture that comics do. I'd actually be able to cash in my hard work for gratification…

And I guess if worse comes to worse and nobody cares about it there wouldn't really be anyone too concerned if I leave.

As far as those other blogs go, I think I can bring a bit more to the table then they did. There are a lot of clone blogs anyway, if one came back I'm sure there wouldn't be much of a problem.

@Dac:
Sounds like you got some issues with the fandom that delve far beyond this discussion, so I'm only really gunna respond to the last part about animation. ahem

You seriously must be kidding me if you can't notice level of quality in the animation. Ignoring for a second that it's done in flash (which is notorious for stiff, unnatural looking characters) and looks just as expressive as a top-notch hand drawn show, the facial animations, the way the characters move, the effects are just staggering compared to just about anything else on the air.

The only other show who's animation could be considered in the same league at the moment would be Korra, but that show is hand drawn by a major animation studio on a budget that makes it seem like the 'Game of Thrones' of cartoons. So it's barely comparable.

@Gigatoast:

Yeah, I pretty much agree with that. I think MLPs sense of humor is pretty mature, most of the time, and doesn't get irritating after a while. I've stopped watching TV in general besides MLP occasionally. I mostly watch the things I want to online, because nothing really catches my interest besides this. That includes Futurama, Venture Bros., and all of that.

@Sketch:

Adventure Time, Regular Show, Legend of Korra, The Last Airbender, etc.

There are good shows about, but the bad ones get a lot of attention, I guess.

@Mega:

Yeah, that's possible. They might want to save villains and antagonists for later in the season, even the finale. Don't want to throw too many ideas out too early, and all of that jazz.

@Dac:

You might not put MLP above those shows, but many bronies (myself included to a degree) would do that, and with some understandable reason.

Also, you're comparing MLP to shows that are much different in the category of animation. MLP and LoK have vastly different styles, methods, and tools, so it's not really reasonable to say they could ever truly be the same league. What Giga was saying was that, compared to most (if not all) flash animation, MLP is amazing. And it really kind of is.

Also, regarding oldies cartoons:

Thundercats had the most god-awful voice acting in existence. Snarf had the best voice actor, for fuck's sake. He-Man wasn't much better, overall, nor were a lot of the shows back then.

Not saying they all sucked, but the current shows are generally better, in my opinion.

@gigatoast

I don't have a problem with the fandom, but I dont like how undiplomatically you post. You flat out say 80's cartoons suck. That's your opinion and not fact. Also, everything you say is really just what you think. It's not fact that mlp I'd the bestest and greatest. It's just what you think.

Animation, Im not saying its bad or even mediocre, but I don't think it's the bees fucking knees. Why can't I have my own opinions just as you have yours?

@solaire

The reason I compare mlp to Korra, tron, etc. is because just like those have better production values, so does mlp against many 80s cartoons. So why compare them.

I guess my main point is that mlp is a good show, but don't put down other shows just because you don't like them.

Well technically, as an animator myself my opinion on animation does carry more weight then most, but yeh I know what you mean.

But when I say I think 80s cartoons are terrible, that's my opinion, just like when you say you think 80s cartoons are not terrible, that's your opinion. The only difference between your and my opinion is the fact that I didn't grow up on those cartoons and like I said, I have zero nostalgia so I can be a bit more objective about it.

And how is me expressing my opinions telling you you can't have yours? The existence of differing points of view is not an attack on your own.

Good talk.

Anyway, down to brass tax, I'm trying to think of a name for my Tumblr. Obviously 'AskScrewball' is taken, so I gotta think of something more creative. Any ideas gang?

I'll probably just set up the domain and keep it under wraps until I get a foothold on the project.

@ Randomman

Thank you! some one who understood why i just felt the urge to but into that conversation. Both sides were doing wrong and i just had to settle it.

@ Dac

ಠ_ಠ

@ Giga

Ask-Screwball
Ask-Screw-Ball

idk try it yourself, its pretty obvious the suggestions im going to give you.

@ Solaire

i was bored when i made it… i though it was decent cause i gave it that ninja thingy.

Well, all I can say is, I grew up with the 80's, and it's my opinion that I don't think those suck, especially compared to a majority of the cartoons, and especially the television shows of today.

Ugh, Reality TV how I don't love or tolerate you one bit, but at least FiM is good.

"Well technically, as an animator myself my opinion on animation does carry more weight then most, but yeh I know what you mean."
Umm, with all due respect, ( honestly, im not putting you down)Justin Bieber is a singer and not half bad, but that doesn't mean he is the final word on how good someone sings. M. Night made a couple good movies and is still a director, but critics have just as much say when it comes to how good it is. I'm sure you can see the nuances better than others, but my eyes and having seen cartoons from almost every era give my opinion and others just as much weight.

"And how is me expressing my opinions telling you you can’t have yours? The existence of differing points of view is not an attack on your own."

Even if you don't mean it, saying " you gotta be joking" or " are you kidding me" is condescending and its always good to remind the person you are discussing with that everything is just your opinion. I just try to say In my post that's it's not good to praise mlp to much, give everything else it's due. I don't think anyone is wrong In thinking mlp is the best, but I think it's wrong to say it is as if it were fact. Anyways, yeah good talk

Oh, I'm a 90s kid and saw the eighties cartoons when I was older. I've just always liked the campy feeling. Also, when I say it doesn't have a broad appeal. Im not saying its kiddie by any means. But it's subject matter and lack of adult humor or surreal humor makes it less attractive to most adults. But the clever writing and nice jokes based on good timing and writing instead of sneaking humor in there can appeal to adults if they are willing to accept its about ponies and the magic of friendship.

Howabout "Screwball Tells All"? Or is that a bit too much?

At the end of the day, the best Discord blog is called "Discorderly Conduct" so I wouldn't tend to think the name makes that much of a difference. I wish Tumblr had a way to check the availability of usernames. :P

@Dac:
My point is, as an animator I can appreciate what went into making the show look the way it does, because I understand how it's done.

Well I'd argue the lack of straight up adult humor makes it more attractive to adults. The fact that the show offers a breath of fresh, non-corrupted by the adult world, air while still treating the viewer less like a screaming piñata filled with their parent's money and more like an actual intelligent person is exactly what a lot of adult bronies like about it. On the internet we're not exactly at a shortage of adult humor, but real wholesome fun is hard to come by.

I did not know any of them i just found the small arguement on the comment section of this image this kid shared from 2epix. And yes like you said, I did not ignore it because it was on Facebook and that will stay there

FOREVER
And everyone can see that, so i had to make us look good. Not like some thread on 4chan that will 404 and everyone will forget.

@Giga

I was considering the same thing, possibly for an OC I drew based off Ferdinand Porsche; Pferdinand, the fastest pony in all of Pferdland. If you think you could make one, it'd be awesome. deviantArt profiles and such are all well and good, but I'm a big fan of the relationship between an "Ask X" Tumblr and its followers.

@80's cartoons: prepare for a somber story of my childhood

I lived on Rammstein AFB, Germany, from 1999 to 2002, the prime time for youth cartoon watching. I didn't know what Spongebob was for four years after its inception and I never saw any cartoons from the 80's. All I got were cartoons from the 60's, "Wacky Races" and "Dastardly and Mutt and Their Flying Machines" being two of my favorites. The only new show I remember having was "Sheep in the Big City," which remains to this day my favorite animated show of all time.

My childhood.

So I'm in no position to weigh in on cartoons from the 80's, being a 90's kid raised in the 1960's holdout that is every USAF base with cartoons from the period to match. It seems a little unfair to call them all out as garbage, though. If I remember correctly, I might've seen one of the Transformers shows from an unknown period, back when Jetfire was a space shuttle. I'm not entirely sure why I've gone off on this tangent or how it relates to ponu, but I'll end with this: Sheep in the Big City is my favorite animated show of all time, but having begun dabbling in animation and necromancy and the sort and having acquired a much greater appreciation for the art, the animation is crap compared to FiM.

Edit @Giga, below

Geez, I was a little late for my words of encouragement; you work a lot faster than I do. Go Screwball, go!

Got a logo done, well… the Screwball part anyway. Still need to finish picking a name.

@Gigatoast
'Something Screwy This Way Comes!'
Really, you can have as much fun with the name as you want.
Some keep it simple, but I always like seeing some of the more creative ones, too.
At the end of the day, it's the content that really matters so I wouldn't worry about the title too much.

@Nathan
I think Dac already said it before, but I agree with you stepping into the conversation, if for no other reason than to stop that other brony from reacting the way he did.
As they say, haters gonna hate, but seeing someone I agree with make very bad arguments actually bothers me more than the negativity.
You did a very good job of really calming the situation and (surprisingly) it worked out quite well.
Kudos!

Hey guys, for weeks I've finally upgraded my internet!

20+ pages already?

"Well I’d argue the lack of straight up adult humor makes it more attractive to adults. The fact that the show offers a breath of fresh, non-corrupted by the adult world, air while still treating the viewer less like a screaming piñata filled with their parent’s money and more like an actual intelligent person is exactly what a lot of adult bronies like about it. On the internet we’re not exactly at a shortage of adult humor, but real wholesome fun is hard to come by."

If that where the case, then their would be way more bronies, but instead people
our age rather watch adult swim, MTV, or all the other raunchy comedies and reality tv shows. Dick jokes sell is all. Also, look at the packaging of the show. Pastel colored ponies solving the problems of friendship. No matter how good the writing, many people won't like that or the wholesome humor. It says nothing about the quality of the show, just what people want. The fact we have 3 Seth McFarlane shows speaks for itself.

And a quick subtitle completes the look.

Final thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? Gimme yo feedback people! :D

Are you making a tumblr or something like that. It looks good. I have no complaints.

Workin' on one! It's about time Screwball got some recognition! :D

I've got the domain set up, but I'll need a little time to get into the swing of things before I go more public and start answering questions. (I still don't know how to set up a question module. DX)

thanks for the kind words those who bothered with my shitty story
being drunk I may have made it sound a bit worse than it is but it's shitty and staying shitty
right day and/or right mix of chemicals though and I can feel like a fuckin' superhero
one arm's the very worst of it, still got a pair of decent legs
and when I feel motivated to exercise it's mostly with the thought of looking less shitty in FiM apparel
that was a big thing that helped me push from some mystery number over 300 (my electronic scale seriously gave me an error message like a pocket calculator _ ) and about 250 that I'm at today

I DEFINITELY can't keep up with this thread but I'll keep lurking for a while yet…

edit there's supposed to be a face after "calculator" made of a hyphen, underscore, and a hyphen but whatever fancy fanciness this uses turned it into something else lol…oh boy

@Giga:

Screwball and Company
Screwball Part 2, Electric Scootaloo
Screwball 2, Screw Harder
Inquire towards the thoughts of Baseball Pitch with Insulting Implications

You can tell I am an expert at creating names.

Anyways, try not to get overwhelmed with the requests, and cool your heels if you need to. A lot of big tumblrs take their time and don't answer a lot of questions, so it's probably best to not overwork yourself.

@Nathan:

Don't feel bad. Few OCs are anywhere within the league of Chesty Motherfucking McThunderbeard. In fact, if his league were to blow up, most OCs would not hear the sound of its explosion for seven days.

Anyways, that thing you posted from facebook was handled well. At least he didn't flip his shit even harder when he lost the argument.

Works for me. I love dem subtle rhymes.

If you have the time to create a quality blog that you can update on a regular, or at least somewhat consistent basis, by all means, do it. I'm not quite familiar with Screwball's character, outside of how you represent her, so I suppose you can add your own take to it or something.

Yeah, I'm not helping much. Just do it, and do it often. That's the only way you can ever hope to have a loyal and large fanbase. Although judging from your past work, I'm sure that's not an issue for you at all.

Ok guys! I've got the domain, header and background set up!

Check it out!

Now, I'm gunna leave it like that for a bit while I get everything set up, but so far, so good.

Tell me if there are any problems with the background, I don't have a widescreen laptop.

@Giga:

Needs more pr0n

Anyways, this song:

Got me thinking about how awesome it would be if the Diamond Dogs returned. Except, instead of being incompetent, they found themselves under new leadership. Under a leader similar to Scar from the Lion King, in that he rallies them under a purpose and turns them into a much more threatening bunch.

Mane Six get captured and forced to work in the mines (what do you mean 'crystal ponies'?), and Spike has to become a bad-ass in order to save them.

Also, Diamond Dogs musical number with impromptu choreographed dancing and choruses.

Guys I'm back.

HOLY SHIT PAGE 23 ON A NEW THREAD.

Maybe I should start checking in more regularaly than once every week.

i think we all saw this coming but i didn't think it would be this soon

yep. SFM's gonna be the next Gmod.

the new age of machinima is upon us, gents. now all we need are better pony models.

also, i have SFM now, but i have yet to try it since i deleted TF2 off my drive to make room for other stuff…

now i regret doing that.

also, 23 pages?

..23 pages!!!

man, i gotta check in here regularly to keep up.

Looks cool so far, keep up the good work! Also, If you see a purple dragon with sunglasses and a brown trench coat, that's me.

That looks great, May i ask what do you use to draw? program wise that is. I tend to doodle with my tablet and gimp but i dont like how things come out, the paint brush tool just doesnt satisfy me.

Also, idk, your the artist here, but adding a shadow to the word screwball would be cool, you know making it look 3 dimensional n stuff, as if its a standing object. And tells all would be on the floor.

sort of like this i guess

But like i said, your the artist, so doing this would pretty much mean remaking the logo all over again.

New discussion topic

Do you think mlp:fim counts as art in the same sense that Beethoven or van Gogh is art? Obviously ponies don't reach near the calibre that these classial greats do, but the question remains, do ponies transcend at all to the realm of art, or are they merely a kid's cartoon?

I don't think ponies should count as art. You might point at the music and the visuals as counter-examples, but these things are craft. The music is catchy and the visual design is excellent, but neither of these things are attempting to push any envelopes, they aim for efficency above expressiveness.

Ponies are a well crafted product, but they fail to be anything more than that.

@Gigatoast

I asked you a question, ANSWER IT!

@Fifths:

Depends on your definition of art. I could consider many things to be an art: vidya gaems, cartoons, TV shows, movies, etc. While MLP may arguably not be the best cartoon ever, or have the best music ever, it is fairly appealing to a large audience, evokes emotion, and employs various forms of media. That is enough to make a compelling case that it is art, if somebody wished to.

My opinion is that, yes, it is art, but so are a lot of things. Darksiders (and all of its heavy metal-ness) is a piece of art, electronic music (don't murder me) is art, etc. So, I set the bar low on what is art, because I don't think being considered art is something that should be an unreachable goal, only attained by the most flawless of media.