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Dioxin Jimmy wrote:
Merry Christmas to you too!
Forgive me, I accidentally downvoted a Merry Christmas comment. I'm going to go delete my account and wander off scared and alone into the snowy plains where I'll never be found.
A Delicious Cut of Roast Beef wrote:
Forgive me, I accidentally downvoted a Merry Christmas comment. I'm going to go delete my account and wander off scared and alone into the snowy plains where I'll never be found.
Don't forget to pick up some ice for the celebratory New Years punch while you're there!
A Delicious Cut of Roast Beef wrote:
Forgive me, I accidentally downvoted a Merry Christmas comment. I'm going to go delete my account and wander off scared and alone into the snowy plains where I'll never be found.
Do not leave, you beautiful, delicious cut of roast beef; for Christmas is of forgiveness.
Dioxin Jimmy wrote:
Do not leave, you beautiful, delicious cut of roast beef; for Christmas is of forgiveness.
Okay, since you have pardoned me of my irredeemable sin, I shall stay.
Besides, I still have more Daisy Ridley fanfics to read and more anti-GG salt to signal boost.
I left this for a time, anything new?
MexPirateRed wrote:
I left this for a time, anything new?
Moar about the Tim Schafer Scam.
WHEN WILL IT END?!?!
lily wrote:
WHEN WILL IT END?!?!
lily wrote:
WHEN WILL IT END?!?!
When the SJW and feminist threat is eliminated, or when Jesus comes back!!
Whichever comes second.
Well, looks like we made it into 2016
someone's nightmare came true
Hrom wrote:
Well, looks like we made it into 2016
someone's nightmare came true
Hrom wrote:
Well, looks like we made it into 2016
someone's nightmare came true
Hello Kate Leth, we've been expecting you!
Edit: Thanks Kole!
@ A Real Libertarian Um… is that comic for real? It's not satire, is it?
Dioxin Jimmy wrote:
@ A Real Libertarian Um… is that comic for real? It's not satire, is it?
Nope
Also, someone should politely inform her that we are here for another year
Dioxin Jimmy wrote:
@ A Real Libertarian Um… is that comic for real? It's not satire, is it?
Dioxin Jimmy wrote:
@ A Real Libertarian Um… is that comic for real? It's not satire, is it?
I can see how you might mistake Kate Leth for satire but no, she's genuinely a nutjob.
William The Brit wrote:
I can see how you might mistake Kate Leth for satire but no, she's genuinely a nutjob.
I just took a quick look through some of her other comics. On top of being unimpressive at best on an art level, she is self-absorbed, entitled, and total left-wing ding-a-ling. I don't like using the whatever-wing term, but there really isn't any other way to describe it.
Just another person lost to themselves and the world.
Say guys what is your opinion on the people of channel awesome?
HelmslockTheCarnageSeeker wrote:
Say guys what is your opinion on the people of channel awesome?
Avoid Todd like the plague (assuming he's still on the site)
As for Doug himself, he has somewhat wisely stayed away from Gamergate. At best he does'nt care, at worst, he buys the narritive currently spun but is business savvy enough to not be vocal about it
HelmslockTheCarnageSeeker wrote:
Say guys what is your opinion on the people of channel awesome?
I know Phelous and Obscurus Lupa are no longer member on the site, but they were openly mocking and bashing Mcintosh on Twitter during the early days of GG
Also, Brad Jones, aka the Cinema Snob, has bashed SJWs on his Tumblr a few times
Mostly SJWs who were actively attacking him because they disliked the movies he showcased
HelmslockTheCarnageSeeker wrote:
Say guys what is your opinion on the people of channel awesome?
I'm not sure if the Nostalgia Chick is still there, but she and Todd go hand in hand with hating us. Linkara also never had nice things to say.
TheGamerGrim wrote:
I'm not sure if the Nostalgia Chick is still there, but she and Todd go hand in hand with hating us. Linkara also never had nice things to say.
I heard that the Nostalgia Chick left CA and now works for The Mary Sue site
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HelmslockTheCarnageSeeker wrote:
Say guys what is your opinion on the people of channel awesome?
Never really liked Nostalgia Chick and Todd, although I saw some episodes of Nostalgia Chick a couple years ago and rather enjoyed them. Guess I just don't like her politics. I like Doug, though I don't know what his views on GG are (if he has any), but I'd imagine he would be pretty reasonable, and I like him otherwise. I don't know anything about the rest.
HelmslockTheCarnageSeeker wrote:
Say guys what is your opinion on the people of channel awesome?
Depends on the person, Todd & Nostalgia Chick are wastes of humanity, LordKat & Iron Liz are based as all hell.
Salon writer trying to start a campaing against Milo
Saying he is a child molester, even when they keep defending them.
HelmslockTheCarnageSeeker wrote:
Say guys what is your opinion on the people of channel awesome?
Todd became rather annoying even before GG became a thing (him comparing Iggy Azalea's singing style to blackface of all things made me go "the fuck?"), but his behavior post-GG made me go "yeah I'm just gonna avoid his stuff from now on."
As mentioned above, Phelous and Lupa aren't part of Channel Awesome anymore because Lupa got fired over a dumb reason beyond her control, and Phelous (her boyfriend) quit out of protest. Cinema Snob/Brad Jones is a pretty cool guy, he's really funny when in character, and out of character he's very sincere and kind to fans.
Doug still puts out some pretty funny stuff as the Nostalgia Critic, though some of his videos can be hit-or-miss depending on the subject of a review or countdown. I've warmed up to the skits he sometimes put in his reviews, Malcolm and Tamara have some pretty funny moments.
I admit I haven't kept up too much with Linkara the past year, though he still cameos on occasion in stuff by Pehlous, Brad, and Lupa (oftentimes as his Fat Grandma character, who actually originated from a Phelous and Lupa review). I do know he's occasionally poked fun at the fact he's decided to retain the fedora as part of his in-character costume, making a "m'lady" and "friendzone" joke in a review of a Sonic comic.
MexPirateRed wrote:
Salon writer trying to start a campaing against Milo
Saying he is a child molester, even when they keep defending them.
And there's Todd "I don't molest children but she came onto me" Nickerson.
Also the Salon hall of pedoshame. "He was not a molester!", yeah, yeah because the cops busted him in a sting operation.
@Ms Fortune
Todd lost me after he started standing on JewWario's corpse to denounce GamerGate, he justified that bullshit with "GamerGate started it!" because one person in GamerGate had a Wario hat on their avatar.
Apparently Todd had never bothered finding out anything about the vidya character his "good friend" named their persona after. Way to be a pal Todd, way to be a pal.
So I don't feel like digging through 21 pages. Has anyone dressed the cancerous page about GG on wikipedia?
Hugh man wrote:
So I don't feel like digging through 21 pages. Has anyone dressed the cancerous page about GG on wikipedia?
We talked about it for almost as long as the gamergate entry exists on this site.
It was shit then, it is shit now and it will be shit as long as people get banned there for even TRYING to change something on that article. Have i mentioned the fact that the argument that kym isn't a valuable source in their eyes because we are a user-generated website. the pot calling the cettle black if you ask me
Looks like Cartoon Network UK removed lesbianism in Steven Universe.
But remember: it's not censorship, it's localization.
@The Ultimate Paragon
I think you might have the wrong thread. This one's about gamergate and topics associated with it. I don't think an edit to an animated series would qualify. You're looking for the Steven Universe thread.
The Ultimate Paragon wrote:
Looks like Cartoon Network UK removed lesbianism in Steven Universe.
But remember: it's not censorship, it's localization.
Well duh appealing to male disgusting fucking filthy pig gamers is backward disgusting. It promotes misogyny and needs to be stopped.
Showing lesbian sexuality however is awesome and progressive and should be totally applauded for being so progressive!
Im not saying either is bad is the point but polygon loves to pick and choose…
^You're not wrong, but this issue would not be the time to make a stand.
Also as TSG said, not GG in the slightest.
xTSGx wrote:
@The Ultimate Paragon
I think you might have the wrong thread. This one's about gamergate and topics associated with it. I don't think an edit to an animated series would qualify. You're looking for the Steven Universe thread.
Polygon decided that this is censorship, they're getting their asses tore apart after spending months insisting every time this sort of thing happens that it's just "localization" and "only governments can censor".
Of course they're not going to understand the relationship between endorsing "this is offensive, remove it at once!" and stuff they like being censored after others found it offensive. Still fun to point out.
@CrashGordon94
This is definitely GamerGate, and the perfect time to make a stand showing everyone exactly why censorship is bad even when you don't care about what's being this time, because next time the censors might come for what you care about.
CrashGordon94 wrote:
^You're not wrong, but this issue would not be the time to make a stand.
Also as TSG said, not GG in the slightest.
The thing that makes it GG is the fact that it was polygon complaining about censorship in a particular area despite earlier saying that censorship of revealing females or sexuality in the US is just "Localization." So them picking and choosing is what gets us upset. The SU shit is still a bad thing but polygon whining about censorship is hilarious.
Hugh man wrote:
The thing that makes it GG is the fact that it was polygon complaining about censorship in a particular area despite earlier saying that censorship of revealing females or sexuality in the US is just "Localization." So them picking and choosing is what gets us upset. The SU shit is still a bad thing but polygon whining about censorship is hilarious.
Exactly. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of SJWs, for getting outraged at this, but cheering on Capcom for removing Mika's butt-slap. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
Hugh man wrote:
So I don't feel like digging through 21 pages. Has anyone dressed the cancerous page about GG on wikipedia?
I realized this probably didn't answered in full, but I can give a summary since there's a lot of pieces to dig and find for anyone whom wasn't paying attention. I'm going to try and make this as generic as possible since I'm recalling from memory and digging for sources isn't a strong suit, I don't want to state the wrong name or pull something completely unrelated.
Wikipedia's gamergate (not Ants) article was generated by a few Anti-GG's that defined it as a hate group and made it look like it was an attack on certain key females.They had moderator access and kept changing it to keep the narrative as anti-gg as possible. As a result drama was called over it and a few "light investigations" (image snaps, connections made, probably not done by professional investigators) happened proving that the Anti-GG mods were basically being paid by and/or friends of Anti-GG and determined or convinced to keep the narration that way.
Then a co-founder got involved, kept a neutral stance for about a week or two as both sides were heard…
Then cited the exact wiki article and the faulty sources that supported it as to why Gamergate was a hate group and ended discussion despite given the alternate sources. The alternate sources were discarded because they weren't cited in the wiki article… (I'm still scratching my head at that failure of logic)
Granted there was some successful fallout. The Anti-GG mods that originally held a vice grip were suspended and/or banned from the article to change it. Some even removed from editing Wikipedia at all. But now? I don't know if they've been replaced with new MAC's and IPS# or different accounts by the same person.
So what we learned is that user generated edited articles on Wikipedia are not really truthful but more of a first come, first serve opinion when it comes to events. The GG article is a prime example that a wiki's "Neutral tone" can be disregarded when a powerful minority says their "credible research" (sarcasm) is cited as fact.
Here's the WikiInAction subreddit, it has pretty much everything you need to know. StukaLied is a mod and has files on everything that goes bad at Wikipedia, ask him if you have any question.
TL;DR is that the GamerGate article just made clear how rotten the core of WP had become because pretty much every structural failing in WP combined went into that article ("Unblockables" who can get away with breaking the rules, the "Reliable Sources" policy not being very reliable, the political motivations of a large chunk of several projects, etc. etc.).
Wikipedia is on the edge of a complete breakdown, ARBCOM is now banning people for "Off-Site Harassment" while insisting that any evidence or explanation of what "Harassment" means is too dangerous to provide. The Devil's Advocate got banned for that the day Gamaliel got on ARBCOM (TDA had provided evidence against Gamaliel during the GamerGate ARBCOM case) despite the fact TDA hadn't edited since October.
Then there was an Admin named Soap who was banned the same, it looks like he wasn't deferential enough to an Arbitrator in the IRC. He apparently made some throwaway accounts that said some alarming things (e.g. "Stop, please, with the crocodile tears. You tried to compromise my admin account as soon as I went 'weak'. ") before they were banned and their statements burnt.
And the Wikimedia Foundation (i.e. the people who are paid to run WP) was just rocked by the sudden firing of Dr. James Heilman, a popular member of the Board of Directors. Jimbo Wales said he was fired "for cause" but between the panic at the WMF after Dr. James dropped the info that lasted days before they listed the "causes" of his firing (all low-level offenses that have no hard evidence) and Dr. James going after medical industry shills that are paid to change wiki articles to made products look good, it's not going well for the WMF.
Garde wrote:
I realized this probably didn't answered in full, but I can give a summary since there's a lot of pieces to dig and find for anyone whom wasn't paying attention. I'm going to try and make this as generic as possible since I'm recalling from memory and digging for sources isn't a strong suit, I don't want to state the wrong name or pull something completely unrelated.
Wikipedia's gamergate (not Ants) article was generated by a few Anti-GG's that defined it as a hate group and made it look like it was an attack on certain key females.They had moderator access and kept changing it to keep the narrative as anti-gg as possible. As a result drama was called over it and a few "light investigations" (image snaps, connections made, probably not done by professional investigators) happened proving that the Anti-GG mods were basically being paid by and/or friends of Anti-GG and determined or convinced to keep the narration that way.
Then a co-founder got involved, kept a neutral stance for about a week or two as both sides were heard…
Then cited the exact wiki article and the faulty sources that supported it as to why Gamergate was a hate group and ended discussion despite given the alternate sources. The alternate sources were discarded because they weren't cited in the wiki article… (I'm still scratching my head at that failure of logic)
Granted there was some successful fallout. The Anti-GG mods that originally held a vice grip were suspended and/or banned from the article to change it. Some even removed from editing Wikipedia at all. But now? I don't know if they've been replaced with new MAC's and IPS# or different accounts by the same person.
So what we learned is that user generated edited articles on Wikipedia are not really truthful but more of a first come, first serve opinion when it comes to events. The GG article is a prime example that a wiki's "Neutral tone" can be disregarded when a powerful minority says their "credible research" (sarcasm) is cited as fact.
Very concise and helpful!
Thanks!
Garde wrote:
I realized this probably didn't answered in full, but I can give a summary since there's a lot of pieces to dig and find for anyone whom wasn't paying attention. I'm going to try and make this as generic as possible since I'm recalling from memory and digging for sources isn't a strong suit, I don't want to state the wrong name or pull something completely unrelated.
Wikipedia's gamergate (not Ants) article was generated by a few Anti-GG's that defined it as a hate group and made it look like it was an attack on certain key females.They had moderator access and kept changing it to keep the narrative as anti-gg as possible. As a result drama was called over it and a few "light investigations" (image snaps, connections made, probably not done by professional investigators) happened proving that the Anti-GG mods were basically being paid by and/or friends of Anti-GG and determined or convinced to keep the narration that way.
Then a co-founder got involved, kept a neutral stance for about a week or two as both sides were heard…
Then cited the exact wiki article and the faulty sources that supported it as to why Gamergate was a hate group and ended discussion despite given the alternate sources. The alternate sources were discarded because they weren't cited in the wiki article… (I'm still scratching my head at that failure of logic)
Granted there was some successful fallout. The Anti-GG mods that originally held a vice grip were suspended and/or banned from the article to change it. Some even removed from editing Wikipedia at all. But now? I don't know if they've been replaced with new MAC's and IPS# or different accounts by the same person.
So what we learned is that user generated edited articles on Wikipedia are not really truthful but more of a first come, first serve opinion when it comes to events. The GG article is a prime example that a wiki's "Neutral tone" can be disregarded when a powerful minority says their "credible research" (sarcasm) is cited as fact.
Very concise and helpful!
Thanks!
Yeah, Wikipedia's GG article is a prime example of why it simply isn't a reliable source for information. There are so many issues, which were already mentioned, including how they misused sources so often (probably on purpose). I also remember the Angry Gamer blog did an analysis on that article sometime in 2014.
In a way, it makes me think about GG and the social activists who write about games – and geek stuff – as a whole. If people have an agenda, they will do whatever they can with whatever they have to push their cause, no matter what bad things result. To those people the ends always justify the means.
Bookie wrote:
Here's the WikiInAction subreddit, it has pretty much everything you need to know. StukaLied is a mod and has files on everything that goes bad at Wikipedia, ask him if you have any question.
TL;DR is that the GamerGate article just made clear how rotten the core of WP had become because pretty much every structural failing in WP combined went into that article ("Unblockables" who can get away with breaking the rules, the "Reliable Sources" policy not being very reliable, the political motivations of a large chunk of several projects, etc. etc.).
Wikipedia is on the edge of a complete breakdown, ARBCOM is now banning people for "Off-Site Harassment" while insisting that any evidence or explanation of what "Harassment" means is too dangerous to provide. The Devil's Advocate got banned for that the day Gamaliel got on ARBCOM (TDA had provided evidence against Gamaliel during the GamerGate ARBCOM case) despite the fact TDA hadn't edited since October.
Then there was an Admin named Soap who was banned the same, it looks like he wasn't deferential enough to an Arbitrator in the IRC. He apparently made some throwaway accounts that said some alarming things (e.g. "Stop, please, with the crocodile tears. You tried to compromise my admin account as soon as I went 'weak'. ") before they were banned and their statements burnt.
And the Wikimedia Foundation (i.e. the people who are paid to run WP) was just rocked by the sudden firing of Dr. James Heilman, a popular member of the Board of Directors. Jimbo Wales said he was fired "for cause" but between the panic at the WMF after Dr. James dropped the info that lasted days before they listed the "causes" of his firing (all low-level offenses that have no hard evidence) and Dr. James going after medical industry shills that are paid to change wiki articles to made products look good, it's not going well for the WMF.
Thanks Bookie, I had no idea that the ethics hunt went further.
Bookie wrote:
Here's the WikiInAction subreddit, it has pretty much everything you need to know. StukaLied is a mod and has files on everything that goes bad at Wikipedia, ask him if you have any question.
TL;DR is that the GamerGate article just made clear how rotten the core of WP had become because pretty much every structural failing in WP combined went into that article ("Unblockables" who can get away with breaking the rules, the "Reliable Sources" policy not being very reliable, the political motivations of a large chunk of several projects, etc. etc.).
Wikipedia is on the edge of a complete breakdown, ARBCOM is now banning people for "Off-Site Harassment" while insisting that any evidence or explanation of what "Harassment" means is too dangerous to provide. The Devil's Advocate got banned for that the day Gamaliel got on ARBCOM (TDA had provided evidence against Gamaliel during the GamerGate ARBCOM case) despite the fact TDA hadn't edited since October.
Then there was an Admin named Soap who was banned the same, it looks like he wasn't deferential enough to an Arbitrator in the IRC. He apparently made some throwaway accounts that said some alarming things (e.g. "Stop, please, with the crocodile tears. You tried to compromise my admin account as soon as I went 'weak'. ") before they were banned and their statements burnt.
And the Wikimedia Foundation (i.e. the people who are paid to run WP) was just rocked by the sudden firing of Dr. James Heilman, a popular member of the Board of Directors. Jimbo Wales said he was fired "for cause" but between the panic at the WMF after Dr. James dropped the info that lasted days before they listed the "causes" of his firing (all low-level offenses that have no hard evidence) and Dr. James going after medical industry shills that are paid to change wiki articles to made products look good, it's not going well for the WMF.
Bookie are you "A Real Libertarian" ?
Speaking of what sparked GamerGate is Something this mecessary?
Andrew Webster is a new name around these parts?
DirkDiggums wrote:
Bookie are you "A Real Libertarian" ?
Pretty sure Bookie is "A real libertarian" because whenever you change your name on this site its retroactive.
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