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Alright, so here's something to chew on: a new petition.

Pick up the Avatar franchise and release as a Netflix Original Series

After the success of Avatar:The Legend of Korra and Avatar: The Last Airbender, Nickelodeon has decided to discontinue the Avatar franchise.

Netflix has a track record for creating it's own incredible televison, and has proven with shows such as Arrested Development that it can re-ignite under-appreciated shows with a cult following.

The Legend of Korra saw success as an online-exclusive show after it was pulled from Nickelodeon's regular TV broadcasting, and with Netflix's branding the franchise could be taken to new hights. Bryan Konietzko and Michael DiMartino would ideally be returning as head producers, as well as all those involved with the creation of both Avatar series. Where the story would progress is up to them; perhaps a continuation of Aang's story? (The Last Airbender). Perhaps a story about another Avatar, such as Roku? The possibilities are endless, and it's practically guaranteed that the show would be successful on Netflix; the one place that can do the franchise justice.

I would totally get a NetFlix account just to watch a new Avatar series. The petition seems to have been inspired by this Forbes article.

Edit: PAGE GET!

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Season 3

Platus wrote: Ok; I watched it. Shit be good. All it needs is canon KorrAsami and it’s the best thing ever. Going to bed now. I know it was mentioned before, but it feels soooo good.

Dr. Free Cake Needs More Cowbell! wrote: Although it makes it feel likely that Avatar-universe World War One is coming, since the Avatar is no longer aligned with Republic City, the Earth Kingdom wants that territory back…

Fridge wrote: And I hate to cry Mary Sue on the metal city but everything is waaaaay too perfect. If there’s not something seriously wrong in there that’s revealed in the next episode… Well, there was betrayal. So there's that.

Onion Syrop wrote: The show better reveal who these two dads are.but at the same time half of me is saying it could be sokka because I don’t think the creators would throw in some random dude into the show. Hue

Gary predicited: My speculation is that the Red Lotus believes in a world without an Avatar and the people work together to keep balance. They believe they should not rely on one sole person and be a collective mass. Just a thought. This is very spot on, actually

Matau, Toa Of Air wrote: What I’m wondering is if the Red Lotus is a larger organization in hiding, like what the White Lotus used to be, or if it’s just Zaheer’s group… Sure, that counts

Gary wrote: Zaheer mentioned the Guru Laghima, and how he became disconnected with the world and was able to learn the secrets of wheightlessness. We need more of this lore.

Matau, Toa Of Air wrote: Short headcanon of season 4:Most of the series doesn’t fully follow Korra, but the rest of the group. Korra has run off shortly after regaining the ability to walk(though not really well). She is ashamed of how weak she is, and has decided to run off to train by herself.Everyone else must deal with finding Korra, and defeating the Red Lotus before they can finish what they started. Close

One season to go. I hope it will be easy for me this time

@KorrAsami Predictions

Willy Wonka: But Charlie, don't forget what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he always wanted.

Charlie Bucket: What happened?

Willy Wonka: He lived happily ever after.

@Erwinator
God damn, I must be omniscient or something. I am really disappointed I didn't join in on the discussion for the last two seasons. It would have been cool to see if I went 4/4.

I saw the preview of the next Screwattack Death Battle and it's gonna be Gaara vs Toph. I don't think I'm emotionally stable anymore if Toph loses. I mean, Avatar is awesome and I'm not into Naruto, but from what I know, Gaara is damn powerfull. Are there Naruto fans here to give a good analysis on who will win? fingers shakingly crossed for Toph

The last season predictions will come up soon. I promise

Book 4:

Dr. Free Cake Needs More Cowbell wrote: My guess is that she’ll [Kuvira] represent Fascism. Not such a hard guess from the get go, but alas. This was after the Book 4 trailer aired

Platus made some good predictions:

>Kuvira uses her power base to depose the Earth King
>Mako, Korra, and the air benders get together to fight her. This was inevitable somehow
>Bolin, after seeing what Kuvira is really like, betrays her and plays a key part in her defeat
>They [after Kuviras defeat] go with democracy Wow. Second best guess next to Korrasami in my opinion

Wow. That was a short list. This was a great ride guys. Now the next thing we have to wait for is Gaara vs Toph. Gaara's preview is up BTW. It's gonna be a Toph battle

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Platus wrote:

Yikes! He's really powerful. But I'm sure Best Earthbender can toph it out.

You know. I'm kinda worried. Even both Naruto and (some) Avatar fans give the victory to Gaara. It's not that Toph isn't powerfull. It's just that Gaara has abilities that just happen to give a disadvantage to Toph. First there is the sand, which is one of the few things that Toph has troubles with (even though she said she got better at it), Gaara has mastered it most of his life. He also can create a sand platform that gives him flight, also in Toph's disfavour. And then by anime rules, he can transform into a gaint sand monster which is one of the things that pisses me off, because he seems way too overpowered with that form. But I think Toph can handle it, since it's mostly hardened sand, I guess, but that's also why I like Avatar more than Naruto in this case. Not that A:TLA didn't do some crazy things, but at least it stays in the realm of 'reality', if you can call it that.

Erwinator wrote:

You know. I'm kinda worried. Even both Naruto and (some) Avatar fans give the victory to Gaara. It's not that Toph isn't powerfull. It's just that Gaara has abilities that just happen to give a disadvantage to Toph. First there is the sand, which is one of the few things that Toph has troubles with (even though she said she got better at it), Gaara has mastered it most of his life. He also can create a sand platform that gives him flight, also in Toph's disfavour. And then by anime rules, he can transform into a gaint sand monster which is one of the things that pisses me off, because he seems way too overpowered with that form. But I think Toph can handle it, since it's mostly hardened sand, I guess, but that's also why I like Avatar more than Naruto in this case. Not that A:TLA didn't do some crazy things, but at least it stays in the realm of 'reality', if you can call it that.

I'd personally bet on a draw, though they'd probably not do that.

They'd probably use Toph from the original Avatar series, so some stuff she learned as she got older, she wouldn't be able to use. In my opinion, her best bet would be to fight solely with metal.

Erwinator wrote:

You know. I'm kinda worried. Even both Naruto and (some) Avatar fans give the victory to Gaara. It's not that Toph isn't powerfull. It's just that Gaara has abilities that just happen to give a disadvantage to Toph. First there is the sand, which is one of the few things that Toph has troubles with (even though she said she got better at it), Gaara has mastered it most of his life. He also can create a sand platform that gives him flight, also in Toph's disfavour. And then by anime rules, he can transform into a gaint sand monster which is one of the things that pisses me off, because he seems way too overpowered with that form. But I think Toph can handle it, since it's mostly hardened sand, I guess, but that's also why I like Avatar more than Naruto in this case. Not that A:TLA didn't do some crazy things, but at least it stays in the realm of 'reality', if you can call it that.

They mentioned his hardened sand is stronger than steel. Also, its worth noting that he can control sand in a way no bender in the avatar series can bend their elements, he doesn't need to move. That means toph can't really read his movements. Toph seems completely outmatched.

Platus wrote:

Unquenchable sadness!

Also, this is up:

Ok. Time for some points in Toph's favour I found along the way.

As stated in the video. She can sense the location of earth anywhere. So I suppose that includes sand. It's still a little tricky for her, but with her improved sandbending + detecting impurities in metal, this could work against Gaara.

Someone on Youtube made a good point: Gaara has a chance of not knowing that Toph is blind by looking at her eyes, since Hinata has the same eyestyle as Toph, and (for as far as I know) she can see. He may find out that Toph can't look directly at him, but we'll see.

There was one mistake when they said that Toph uses her mind to bend, but I guess this will not effect the battle whatsoever.

And as seen by many Deathbattle fights:

- I think there was not a single winner who had the access to a transformation or second form [Goku, Tigerzord, M. Bison, etc. (unless both combatants had them)

- There are multiple winners, where the majority weren't giving them a chance (Yoshi, Superman, Link) There were some strange ways of saying why some of them won, and it would bother me if this fight wouldn't be fair for the favor of both.

- Not many anime characters won against non-anime characters (but this doesen't say a thing)

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Also, RE: Toph, I think people are overstating her weakness to sand. She can still kind of see in it, but it's fuzzier, like if someone who could see put on another person's glasses. This is a disadvantage, sure, but it isn't as crippling as people make it out to be, since she would still be able to sense Gaara's general position (especially since he mostly stands still) and pick up any attacks he does.

Also, thing: the VA for Korra runs a podcast and this week she had the VA for Asami on as a guest. It's the most recent episode.

Korrasami comes up from 49:30 – 55:30, and then at 1:09:00 we get the Avatar theme played on harmonica.

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Since the Death Battle will go online within a day or so (it's 7:45 p.m. here), hereby a quick and probably obvious warning.
DO NOT look at the rating of the video before you watch it, since the majority are pro-Gaara and it will spoil the outcome for you. I advice to go fullscreen. I sometimes cover my hand over the area of the rating system before the video loads, but whatever works with you.

Erwinator wrote:

Since the Death Battle will go online within a day or so (it's 7:45 p.m. here), hereby a quick and probably obvious warning.
DO NOT look at the rating of the video before you watch it, since the majority are pro-Gaara and it will spoil the outcome for you. I advice to go fullscreen. I sometimes cover my hand over the area of the rating system before the video loads, but whatever works with you.

Ahh, you're right. When I looked at Kirby vs. Buu and saw that the video already had 1,000+ dislikes, I thought, "Yeah, Kirby won, didn't he?"

Anyways, the episode got delayed.

So, yeah. The preview is up:

It looks promising. It's shown that Toph can travel underground (which wasn't clear if she could do that in the show, but it was present in a non-canon Avatar game on the Nick website) and it looks like she has no trouble of keeping track of the sand. The underground travel is pretty usefull if he covers the field in sand

By the looks of it they use the powers of old Toph in young Toph's body, which also means they use mature Gaara, who is even more OP. I'm looking forward to the battle, it looks pretty balanced so far. I'm REALLY rooting for Toph right now

Erwinator wrote:

Are you guys ready for a DEATH BATTLEEEEEE!!?

Enjoy it and place your thoughts on the outcome below

BULLSHIT! I did not like the result overall.

Erwinator wrote:

Are you guys ready for a DEATH BATTLEEEEEE!!?

Enjoy it and place your thoughts on the outcome below

I personally think that it would be closer to a draw, and would have most likely whittled down to who had more stamina to keep fighting.

With both Toph and Gaara having "unstoppable" attacks and "absolute" defenses, it would have, in my mind, left at least one of them exhausted and vulnerable.
(I would still have Toph win, but just by a little.)

Matau, Toa Of Air wrote:

I personally think that it would be closer to a draw, and would have most likely whittled down to who had more stamina to keep fighting.

With both Toph and Gaara having "unstoppable" attacks and "absolute" defenses, it would have, in my mind, left at least one of them exhausted and vulnerable.
(I would still have Toph win, but just by a little.)

I think that's basically what happened: Toph was able to get through Gaara's "absolute defense," forcing him to use his energy-draining secondary shield and causing him to run out of juice. From that point on, he was basically screwed.

Platus wrote:

Sorry for the double post, but it's been four days and LOOK KORRASAMI!

I don't think double posts matter anymore, since there is not much to talk about anymore. Even the image section is removed from the Top :'(

And yes. It's time for to be more open for same sex relationships on children's television networks. We live in modern times now. What's the reason to hold back?

Erwinator wrote:

Guess what happened 10 years ago. Happy anniversary everybody!!!

Only two and a half hours into the premier, guys! I can't wait to see how good this show will be!

Matau, Toa Of Air wrote:

Do you think they'll make it one whole season, or will they cancel it early?

I think they just make it halfway through.

Fun fact: Book 1, episode "The Blue Spirit" was supposed to be the series finale, since Nick only ordered 13 episodes. They decided to continue the show

Soooo, I finally gave in and watched Legend of Korra, I am about a half season in, and before I make any judgments…. is it supposed to be this rushed and awkward?

I feel like I'm just watching another one of those little of substance teenage angst dramas with sprinkles of action in them.

I can sum it down to basically:
"Tenzin I want to do the thing"
"Korra, you can't do the thing because your the avatar"
"Being the avatar is too hard! I'm gonna do the thing anyway!"
angry Tenzin noises
(later)
"I'm sorry I'm being the edgy Disney Princess who wants more"
"I'm sorry too for being the cliche traditionalist guardian figure"

Please someone tell me it's gets better.

BearGlitch1 wrote:

Soooo, I finally gave in and watched Legend of Korra, I am about a half season in, and before I make any judgments…. is it supposed to be this rushed and awkward?

I feel like I'm just watching another one of those little of substance teenage angst dramas with sprinkles of action in them.

I can sum it down to basically:
"Tenzin I want to do the thing"
"Korra, you can't do the thing because your the avatar"
"Being the avatar is too hard! I'm gonna do the thing anyway!"
angry Tenzin noises
(later)
"I'm sorry I'm being the edgy Disney Princess who wants more"
"I'm sorry too for being the cliche traditionalist guardian figure"

Please someone tell me it's gets better.

Well, all in all, your mileage may vary, but to me and several others, the show does get better, particularly 3rd season onwards (despite some of the controversy surrounding the last few episodes of the final season, but that's another story). Regarding the first season, the show was originally meant to be one season, hence why it may seem a bit rushed, but because of the overall success of that season, the show ended up getting a longer run-time.

BearGlitch1 wrote:

Soooo, I finally gave in and watched Legend of Korra, I am about a half season in, and before I make any judgments…. is it supposed to be this rushed and awkward?

I feel like I'm just watching another one of those little of substance teenage angst dramas with sprinkles of action in them.

I can sum it down to basically:
"Tenzin I want to do the thing"
"Korra, you can't do the thing because your the avatar"
"Being the avatar is too hard! I'm gonna do the thing anyway!"
angry Tenzin noises
(later)
"I'm sorry I'm being the edgy Disney Princess who wants more"
"I'm sorry too for being the cliche traditionalist guardian figure"

Please someone tell me it's gets better.

My opinion:

Season one is good, especially near the end.

Season two is not very good, though better if watched all at once, and contains plot points that are absolutely vital later on.

Season three is a beautiful flower of gold and violence.

Season four is so good, even the clip show was funny.

Diagnosis: if you find it dragging early on, stick it out. If nothing else, the last half has some pretty epic fight scenes.

Platus wrote:

My opinion:

Season one is good, especially near the end.

Season two is not very good, though better if watched all at once, and contains plot points that are absolutely vital later on.

Season three is a beautiful flower of gold and violence.

Season four is so good, even the clip show was funny.

Diagnosis: if you find it dragging early on, stick it out. If nothing else, the last half has some pretty epic fight scenes.

You know, it's interesting really, but I remember being really invested in season 2 during its initial release. Looking back now, and just watching episodes from that season, it's quite easily, in my opinion at least, the weakest season out of the whole show, but I remember being quite hyped throughout. Unalaq, despite being a shallow, uninteresting villain, did at least provide some cool action scenes.

BearGlitch1 wrote:

Soooo, I finally gave in and watched Legend of Korra, I am about a half season in, and before I make any judgments…. is it supposed to be this rushed and awkward?

I feel like I'm just watching another one of those little of substance teenage angst dramas with sprinkles of action in them.

I can sum it down to basically:
"Tenzin I want to do the thing"
"Korra, you can't do the thing because your the avatar"
"Being the avatar is too hard! I'm gonna do the thing anyway!"
angry Tenzin noises
(later)
"I'm sorry I'm being the edgy Disney Princess who wants more"
"I'm sorry too for being the cliche traditionalist guardian figure"

Please someone tell me it's gets better.

Have you watched the Last Airbender? The Legend of Korra is basically a sequel so one way to be able to get through this admittedly teenage scene is having background knowledge about the world and characters; I hardly noticed any of that because I was focused on the lore: How much Katara has aged since TLA, how much technology is added into the world, Seeing Tenzin, Aang's son, etc. I absolutely recommend starting with The Last Airbender before getting into TLoK.

Ricenburg wrote:

Have you watched the Last Airbender? The Legend of Korra is basically a sequel so one way to be able to get through this admittedly teenage scene is having background knowledge about the world and characters; I hardly noticed any of that because I was focused on the lore: How much Katara has aged since TLA, how much technology is added into the world, Seeing Tenzin, Aang's son, etc. I absolutely recommend starting with The Last Airbender before getting into TLoK.

Yes I watched it, and just because something is a continuation of a great show, does not mean it is great itself.

All the charm, excitement, and attachment to the main characters I felt in TLA, I felt none of it, as (updated now) I've felt nothing for any of the main characters throughout the entire season.

Lot of development is told not shown, and when they finally do show, who do they develop the best in the season? Amon and his brother, I felt more emotion and sympathy towards a hypocritical terrorist and a corrupt politician than I did the whiny clinched edgy teenager Avatar.

I mean, at least Korra has the token anime group of friends: the goofy comic relief who tries to get a girlfriend, the super-cereal dark-backstory emo, the princess with the daddy issues, and the token animal companion.

And look, I completely understand that enjoyment of most, if not all, of media is very subjective, but I've yet to see something "changing the face of Western animation" worthy in this…. ok show at best.

Though I will watch the entire series and then I will form a complete opinion, so I may change my mind, I don't know.

Speaking of Amon.

He will never be forgotten as the best stand-up comedian of all of the nations' histories, RIP in Peace

"My greatest dream is a world without Benders…. and Jews"

". . . the princess with the daddy issues . . ."

Holy fuck you have no idea how hilarious that sounds in hindsight.

Please watch the rest of the series. Because Asami gets some of the best character development in the show.

Platus wrote:

". . . the princess with the daddy issues . . ."

Holy fuck you have no idea how hilarious that sounds in hindsight.

Please watch the rest of the series. Because Asami gets some of the best character development in the show.

I just call it like I see, and like I said the show could take a turn for the best that may sway me other wise and blow me out of my cynical water, but the two episodes of the 2nd season so faaar…. Tony Stark is the only one I'm started to REALLY enjoy for the first time as a character in LOK, as nothing has changed for the Legend of the Teenage Hormones and her constant whining.

Though to be completely serious if I had to pick a character in Korra's group of friends I like, it would be Bolin, I mean, I'm guessing he's gonna just be put aside as a comic relief character. But he makes a comforting contrast to the rest of the Team Angst Avatar as a more friendly and bro-like character. Plus I like his Jotaro-esque hair style

@BearGlitch1

I noticed you focus on characters more than the other aspects of the show. Sorry to burst your bubble, but this show may not have the best characters; you'll be seeing a lot of emotional teenage tropes heading your way, and characters acting dumb for the sake of the story. This is what got most fans of the series upset because TLA really nailed the characters into our minds and heart. (Tbh I thought Bolin was painful to watch as a comic relief.)

If you ask me, the aspects that "changes the face of Western Animation [for kid shows]" TLoK has would be the lore, animation and soundtrack. There isn't a lot of shows that can compete with TLoK's three best qualities.

Also
>Varrick as Tony Stark
Yes

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Ricenburg wrote:

@BearGlitch1

I noticed you focus on characters more than the other aspects of the show. Sorry to burst your bubble, but this show may not have the best characters; you'll be seeing a lot of emotional teenage tropes heading your way, and characters acting dumb for the sake of the story. This is what got most fans of the series upset because TLA really nailed the characters into our minds and heart. (Tbh I thought Bolin was painful to watch as a comic relief.)

If you ask me, the aspects that "changes the face of Western Animation [for kid shows]" TLoK has would be the lore, animation and soundtrack. There isn't a lot of shows that can compete with TLoK's three best qualities.

Also
>Varrick as Tony Stark
Yes

Look, this may be a subjective belief, but I think a good majority can agree that no matter how big, well detailed, or lore-filled a story can be… if the characters that travel through it are not well developed, relatable, or even just simply likable (though there may be exceptions to this last one), the story just falls apart in my eyes.

And you right, I'm focusing on the characters for most part, you are absolutely right, there's no bubble to burst, I am aware of the well made world that the creators have built of the Avatar universe, but you can't have a show, book, movie, etc. built completely just like that. And you know what movie did? And did it even worse than LOK? The prequels to Star Wars.

I can go on and on, on how I absolutely LOVE the various military, cultural, and political aspects build by the vast universe (or galaxy to be more accurate) of Star Wars. Especially what was built by the prequels… but the characters in the movies themselves: just cardboard cutouts of character archetypes with little to nothing of substance.

This reviewer perfectly explains what I mean in his more well-spoken opinion on said subjects of the prequels and the importance of characters.

And look, like I said before, all what I said about well developed characters being absolutely necessary for a story, that is still a subjective thought. I'm sure there are many who can still enjoy movies, even the prequels of Star WArs, by just story, animation, action, and lore alone.

I just think that LOK could have started out for the entire half of the show stronger, if they tried better with the characters. That's just what I think, and I apologize if I sounded like I was attacking or insulting the fans at all, I do not judge them for your or their enjoyment. The main reason why I may sound aggressive is because, like I said before, I was expecting the whole "changes the face of Western Animation" thing because I here it all the time about the show, and I just can't feel but a bit disappointed overall with what I got. I tend to get more confused and angry at something that's overrated than bad most of the time.

Though I'm guess the only reason why people (mostly on Tumblr and KYM) say that is the whole lesbian thing I kept hearing about, I'll form an opinion on that when I finish the series.

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So. We're finally at the Earth Queen here in The Netherlands. The amusing part of having a low amount of voiceactors is recognising different characters. Her voiceactress, believe it or not, is the same as our (Crayon) Shin Chan. I can't take her serious anymore.

In other news. They are still airing the rest of the series on television here. I assume other countries do that too, right? I mean, it would be awkward to tell them: Sorry kids, go watch the last 1,5 seasons online.

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