Yeah, it's very, very hard to actually have a discussion in the TV Tropes Politics Thread, mainly for all the reasons you guys have listed. Heck, even if I tried to give counter-arguments, they'd all just say the same things. They seem to associated rural America with "racist, white supremacist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, uneducated bigots", view Trump as the worst person in the world, and see Hillary Clinton as some sort of saint, with any claims of her scandals or failings as either being based on flimsy evidence or just "propaganda". Like, every time I try to tell them to have an open mind, how do they respond?
"It's quite hilarious how people saying we should give Trump a chance never even considered that with Clinton."
"People who ask us to have an "open mind" about a man who has run on wild incompetence, the most blatant racism this side of a Klan rally, spewed nothing but hateful gibberish for policy, shown an incredibly childish vindictive personality, impulsively cut funding to vital research by accusing it of being "politicized," and promised to stick his tiny fingers into everything he can to pay off his buddies while openly showing he has no intention of not looting the government through his kids are either blind or have absolute faith that being white will protect them from the coming days."
It really does seem like they are legitimately afraid of the guy, and honestly believe everything the media has said about him. Case in point, when I asked why he's a misogynist, and why he's not going to help people, here's what they said:
"Well, there's the "Miss Piggy" incident when he publicly fat-shamed a Miss Universe who put on a few pounds. There's also the whole "walking in on Miss Universe contestants in their changing rooms" thing, which he also did with Miss Teen Universe and contestants as young as 15. There's the bit where his entire campaign was basically applying the classic pickup artist technique of "negging" to the entire USA (not a directly misogynistic act, but based on a very old misogynistic technique). He was also recorded as having a rule against women over 35. Oh, and he seems to generally judge the value of any and all women by their appearance, like calling primary rival Carly Fiorina unelectable on the grounds of her appearance (I mean, she would have been a horrible president, but appearance has nothing to do with that). And on a related note to all this, there's the whole thing with him seeming to want to screw his daughter, Ivanka, and objectifying his own younger daughter from literally day one.
The man is an objectifying, fat-shaming, slut-shaming, sexual assaulting misogynist of the highest order."
"We're talking about a guy who was born into immense wealth, has extremely tacky tastes that try to flaunt that immense wealth, who has never really HAD to work for anything in his life, and who generally treats everyone with ambivalence at best and extreme incivility at worst. And this guy managed to convince a bunch of middle and working class people, in spite of those qualities, that he was beyond corporate interests, that he "represented" them and that he would "drain the swamp".
I don't know about you guys but this is one of the biggest cons I've ever seen. I don't think it's
possible to out-Trump him. He's in a league of his own.
It would be pretty damn funny to see someone try though."
Seriously, it's pretty much impossible to have a civil discourse with them about the guy. Again, you guys have proved much more willing to have open discussion. I really have to commend you all for that.
For that matter, how would you respond to those posts from them if you could?