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[General] 2016 U.S. Presidential Election General

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Beatrice Santello wrote:

>Brexit happened
>Duterte won the PH elections
>Now Trump won the US elections

What's next? Kek becoming a recognized religion?

Isn't Duterte that guy who recently said "fuck America, China's my BFF now"? Not gonna lie, I'm legit curious to know what Trump thinks about that.

Mistress Fortune wrote:

Isn't Duterte that guy who recently said "fuck America, China's my BFF now"? Not gonna lie, I'm legit curious to know what Trump thinks about that.

Trump should show Duterte who's boss

Congratulations Donald. I won't hold my breath though, I'm expecting nothing but another Barack Obama hype train-wreck. Not that I'm we'll read in politics or anything, but I haven't been impressed in a while.

I guess we'll have to wait and see won't we? I think people might have to be careful during these coming months though. People are gonna be pissed and there's no telling what could happen.

I don't like this man, I don't trust him, and I feel he's bigoted in many regards, but he can still possibly bring some good. If he improves the economy, it might make solving other social ills a lot easier.

Beatrice Santello wrote:

>Brexit happened
>Duterte won the PH elections
>Now Trump won the US elections

What's next? Kek becoming a recognized religion?

You forgot that warriors and Indians blew a 3-1 lead

And next thing is to Apple go bankrupt.

I when arriving to school I reported the result to my colleagues and they stated something that I only heard at my Barber Shop… That Trump promised to deport all blacks, I heard that for months at the Barber Shop but I never bothered to correct because I always thought that the Barber and some other people were joking.

But if I think about it the majority of capevedians that go to America didn't finish the elementary school or secondary school (emigrants from the 80's to mid 2010 's)and their English is… Mixed with creole, Then I assume that there was a misunderstanding from the emigrants that arrived here.

Setting jokes aside and being a little bit more serious right now, the first thing I would like to ask is… what happens now? The general answer for this would be "let's see how this plays out, just like Brexit", yes, I get that… and? How pesimistic is the future really going to be? Is there a positive light that can be recovered from the ashes? Is it going to turn into a realistic take and everything will be more of the same? In fact, what about the rest of the world? Don't they have something to say about all of this?

Sure, many are lamenting this incident, many think this has been a cataclysm since day one… and? What else? I guess I'm saying all of this it's as if one had to hold onto something while a tsunami ravages through everyone and everything, trying to see if there's something out there that can be salvaged, trying to partake into some kind of survival instinct.

Regardless of it, at the end of the day I'm a mere neophite when it comes to politics and I wouldn't even know how to properly answer the questions mentioned above, but, I guess I can say this: this wasn't a victory for humanity, this was a victory for democracy. To wrap this up, I'd like to bring in a phrase commonly attached to the french philosopher Joseph de Maistre, very fitting in this day and age: "Every country has the government it deserves"

(I actually wrote a much bigger statement, but then Chrome crashed and had to do a summed up version. So, there you have it).

lisalombs wrote:

oh, right, he said he was going to put Hillary Clinton in jail if he won lol.

I doubt she will ever see criminal prosecution, and won't be too upset if that becomes the case.

She spent her entire life pursuing the Presidency in a ruthless and unethical manner, and all of the morally questionable choices she made along the way came to naught because of an orange-haired billionaire and a cartoon frog.

The American people denied her History and by doing so handed her a more punitive sentence than any criminal court could.

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{ In fact, what about the rest of the world? Don’t they have something to say about all of this? }

lol do we give a fuck? Does Russia care about what we all think of Putin? If Iran's leader can chant "death to America/fuck the first world in general" and still get international treaties signed in his favor, Trump's going to be fine.

Everywhere you look in the world right now, people are rejecting globalism. People in every single country know that globalism only works for the big guys, the first world is seeing corporate profits soar while their wages stagnate and people are replaced by machines, the third world is seeing corporate entities establish in their countries only to take advantage of their lax working conditions and unfair wages.

Rio is coming off a successful Olympics yet they overwhelmingly rejected the state socialist candidate in favor of an evangelical newcomer who said things that may have actually disqualified Trump had he said them. This is happening everywhere, populist politics are making massive gains around the world right now. President-elect of the United States of America Donald Trump is just one more symptom of the globalist disease.

Is there hope for us? Yes. Can he do it as President alone? No. Is it going to be bumpy either way? Very. America voted to torch it and rebuild last night. The next few years might be tough on the older generations who have their money invested in 401ks, but by 2020 we might all be able to start putting money back into any kind of savings account again. That's what it comes down to, the old dogs retiring now collectively fucked all of us after them, they were going to take their millions and retire and die in peace while watching the 50 and under crowd get raped. That's why I'm okay with the global stock shitstorm atm, this is well deserved.

The DNC in a nutshell

GG It was a savvy move to rig the election for the Washington insider. I mean electing a populist? Thats just fucking stupid. The woman with 20% approval ratings and a FBI investigation was obviously the smart move

If this isn't proof that the party needs to be knocked down and rebuilt then I don't know what is

I hope that Trump surrounds himself with experts, especially in foreign matters. He should understand what really makes America great (for the better or worse): the economical, cultural and military influence abroad. With Russia expanding her territory by force and China slowly buying the entire world, Trump should hold on to the US/Nato military bases in Europe and elsewhere.

While I'm not exactly happy about Trump winning, I'm glad that liberal extremists got a little reminder that the world doesn't revolve around them, especially if all they do is protest. The ugly truth is that Trump's opponents failed to gather their ranks and actually get people to vote! Without such laziness, Hillary would have won. Now stop burning tires on the street.

Our president is a Billionaire reality TV show star Wrestlemania winner
And our First lady is a super model playboy playmate

I don't believe in aliens
I don't believe in ghosts
I believe in meme magic because meme magic is fucking real

Jimmy 3, People 0 wrote:

We should bomb Washington. Nuke it, even.

That kind of happened last night.

-Trump's candidacy was a threat to the industry of politics, which depends upon media advertising, expensive political consultants (including focus group specialists, polling firms, law firms, etc), lobbying, media punditry, and all the other ills of modern politicking.

Trump not only ran without the traditional support of this industry, he ran against it and beat it.

Many argue Trump is a one-time strike of lightening, and that is true to a large extent. But he also represents a populist conservative movement that has been growing since the 2012 mid-term elections. It will be interesting to see what, if any, long term changes the force of Trump and the underlying currents supporting him work on the political industry.

-His victory last night euthanized the Clinton political machine, which for all intent and purposes has been the Democrat political machine since since 1992.

In the short term this is bad for the Democrats, but it needed to happen. The Clintons completely corrupted the DNC for their own personal benefit. They installed cronies like John Podesta and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, who were loyal to the them rather than the principles of the Democratic Party. This approach to politics has resulted in historic losses in 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections.

Ideologically, I essentially oppose almost everything the Democrats support. However, I am a firm believer in the virtue of the balance of opposing powers. Governments dominated by one party are badly run. Political opposition prevents corruption, limits ideological extremism, and provides flexibility in crisis. As such, America needs a better Democratic Party. Even if it is wrong about everything.

That is why I hope liberals seize the opportunity to shed the corrupted, decrepit system imposed by the Clintons for their personal benefit and replace it with one that is responsive to its constituents and true to its values.

-Much the same can be said for the Republican Party. The last time Republicans won a Presidential election without someone named Bush or Nixon on the ticket was 1952.

Trump washed Jeb Bush out of the election. His candidacy exposed the fact that many prominent Republicans figures are more loyal to the professional political establishment and retaining power rather than the Republican constituency.

Without the embarrassment provided by Wikileaks and groups like Project Veritas, the Republicans got off easier this time. However, there were glimpses of similar problems underlying that party as well. Like Democrats, this election provides Republicans an opportunity to treat the cancer eating at its party. But unlike the Democrats, there is now someone in position who has interest in starting chemotherapy.

Now that the election is over, I strongly suggest people who haven't looked into things like the Podesta emails, DNCLeaks, and Project Veritas approach them without political lenses and consider what they reveal about how both parties operate, what they think of the average person, and how they try to extract what they want from you.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

Oh would you look at that, Hilary actually won the popular vote, but the electoral college voted Trump, that probably won't cause a shit-storm.

jesus christ it happened again

electoral college is broken af

Asdfghjkl wrote:


Ryumaru Borike wrote:
Oh would you look at that, Hilary actually won the popular vote, but the electoral college voted Trump, that probably won’t cause a shit-storm.

jesus christ it happened again
electoral college is broken af

Anyone else remember this tweet?

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💜✨KaijuSundae✨💜 wrote:

I hope those of you who voted Trump are happy.

The Supreme Court, and a Democrat Justice at that, is the court that granted the stay that rendered Obama's illegal order on public school bathrooms meaningless specifically so they could hear both sides arguments, there is absolutely no way to spin that on Trump.

All this over a public high school bathroom where a universal stall is already being offered to the kid. Four years you're going to be in high school, supposedly to get an education which has been undermined enough without everybody fighting about which toilet to piss in during a period of life that most people mentally block out upon graduation. That's the real tragedy. After you graduate you can live in a box in San Fransisco and piss on the sidewalk for all anyone cares.

@Jacob I'm honestly curious to see what Pussy-grab says about it now. Will he stick to his guns, knowing he owes the EC his presidency and thus basically admitting that he shouldn't be president, or will he flip-flop and say the EC is a good thing?

Snickerway wrote:

We can only hope Milo becomes unemployable because of this.

I might not be able to have a job or get married for the next several years, but when the alt-right realizes they've fucked their favorite pundit it'll all be worth it.

omg will you people read something other than the headlines???

{ President Obama last year signed an executive order outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity among federal contractors. Earlier this year his administration followed up with guidance to schools, urging them not to discriminate against transgender students.

In the interview, Dobson asked Pence whether Obama’s guidance would be reversed.

The VP candidate confirmed that the Republicans would roll back Obama’s orders so that “the transgender bathroom issue can be resolved with common sense at the local level”. }

What a beautifully phrased spin, it really is, I can see why it got so many of you. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that sexual orientation is already protected against discrimination by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. They ruled on this about the same time gay marriage passed the Supreme Court. It has nothing to do with Obama or any of his orders, it's a 5 person independent commission. You CAN NOT be discriminated against for your sexual orientation in ANY state it DOES NOT matter what laws those states have, they are now trumped by federal law.

What Trump/Pence are referring to, and what the upcoming Supreme Court case will rule on, is whether or not public schools must allow transgender students to use the bathroom they identify with or whether they can stop at offering alternatives like a universal stall. It has nothing to do with discrimination or that order Obama issued about federal contractors (which the first sentence refers to despite it having jack shit to do with anything being discussed).

Whether or not Pence/Trump can even reduce this issue to the local level as Pence says depends on the Supreme Court decision. If it ties, the appeals court ruling stands and transgender students can use whatever bathroom they want. Anthony Kennedy typically votes with the liberals on social issues of individual rights but he wants to hear the arguments, which is why a Democrat Justice voted against the party line and allowed the case into their courtroom (he would not have if he assumed Kennedy would vote against them in the end).

We just got through an election of unabashed media spin and ya'll still wont click and read the articles T_T

AND ALSO: Anthony Kennedy was a Reagan nomination, what will you all say if Trump gets up there and nominates somebody similar? Everybody is genuinely assuming he's going to get on TV and announce his new dictatorship and world conquest goals ffs.

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Whether you like the outcome or not, I think you should at least admire the way Trump won. He's a vigorous campaigner and he managed to win states that would have otherwise gone to Hillary. Looking back on it, he seemed like the more determined of the two.

I was ashamed of the outcome at first. I still am, but thinking about it further has kind of helped me laugh it off a bit and admire what a weird-ass country the U.S. can be.

Shit! I feel like I'm becoming too complacent.

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I don't think Trump and Pence will seriously try and repeal things like the legalization of same sex marriage, especially since I'm pretty sure that's not something the president can do in the first place, that's Congress.

Mistress Fortune wrote:

I don't think Trump and Pence will seriously try and repeal things like the legalization of same sex marriage, especially since I'm pretty sure that's not something the president can do in the first place, that's Congress.

Honestly don't know what Trump will do. Up until he started running I would have pegged him as center-left not the right that he ran on. Especially considering he endorsed Hillary back in 2008.

After his victory speech I think he might swing back more middle than people thought he would. However I don't know his stance on Marriage equality or Homosexuality in general though if I had to guess I think Trump doesn't have any problems with it.

Though Pence is the real problem and honestly I think if we should be worried about anyone it would be him, not Trump.

I guess if I had to describe my opinion toward Trump's presidency it'd be cautious optimism. I don't except him to be a good president but I don't think he will fuck shit up to the extent some people say he will.

The one good thing I hope comes out of this is the DNC finally gets their heads out of their asses and just get rid of all the HRC cronies.

Many people still don't get it.

If you have nothing but disdain for people 50km outside your city, consider them as backward savages, stuck in a by gone era, don't be surprised when they throw a giant middle finger at you.

The rural plight was Trump's solid base. The rural plight that the Democrats who say they are for the poor, completely and utterly ignored.

I guess Mexico should start rounding up that money for the wall Trump will be building.

btw, anyone want to talk about how Simpsons got it right?

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Casual reminder that during a primary campaign where he was swinging wildly to appeal to evangelists, he still made a public statement about letting Caitlyn Jenner use whatever bathroom she wants in Trump Tower, so she went and did.

I've seen a lot of histrionic posts today but really nobody has to panic unless they/family are here illegally and even there he softened and said he'd focus on the felons first. They'd have time to become legal before he got through the criminals if they'd just start the process instead of reaping the liberal rewards of their undocumented status.


I was coming here to say originally, I'm genuinely watching long term relationships fall apart on facebook today after being relatively low key the whole election process. Everyone has reverted to animals, it's like that scene from Mean Girls, they don't even recognize each other as friends or family.

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I was coming here to say originally, I’m genuinely watching long term relationships fall apart on facebook today after being relatively low key the whole election process. Everyone has reverted to animals, it’s like that scene from Mean Girls, they don’t even recognize each other as friends or family.

Well, that's why I'm so big on tact and language. When it comes to politics (not my strongest suit or many others'), a lot of strong feelings end up getting involved. And supporting one candidate ends up meaning you're putting down another candidate. And that means you're effectively putting down ideals and beliefs of close friends.

So when one candidate gets the nod and people aren't respectful enough of the fact that we're all still countrymen, folks get upset.

However, I'm generally happy to say that I haven't seen that amongst my friends and family. More liberal people like me are upset, but our blame has varied from HRC to third-party candidates to people who voted for third-party candidates to Trump supporters to the DNC to ourselves.

Most of the Trump supporters are silent now, which is a bit odd. But those who are more outspoken are rather sympathetic, especially a well-respected friend of mine who's a pastor.


Forgive me if I missed it, but there is a lot of doom and gloom. What do more right-learning folks think is the best, reasonable outcome for 4 years under a Trump presidency and a full deck of cards in Congress?

If there was ever a time to pass legislation that isn't impeded as heavily by the other party's attaching baggage to it, then I think this is it.

With that said, what are the expected excuses (justified or not) should the term end up doing little to nothing or (as people fear) causing serious trouble for the next presidency?

Necromagenvion wrote:

Setting jokes aside and being a little bit more serious right now, the first thing I would like to ask is… what happens now? The general answer for this would be "let's see how this plays out, just like Brexit", yes, I get that… and? How pesimistic is the future really going to be? Is there a positive light that can be recovered from the ashes? Is it going to turn into a realistic take and everything will be more of the same? In fact, what about the rest of the world? Don't they have something to say about all of this?

Sure, many are lamenting this incident, many think this has been a cataclysm since day one… and? What else? I guess I'm saying all of this it's as if one had to hold onto something while a tsunami ravages through everyone and everything, trying to see if there's something out there that can be salvaged, trying to partake into some kind of survival instinct.

Regardless of it, at the end of the day I'm a mere neophite when it comes to politics and I wouldn't even know how to properly answer the questions mentioned above, but, I guess I can say this: this wasn't a victory for humanity, this was a victory for democracy. To wrap this up, I'd like to bring in a phrase commonly attached to the french philosopher Joseph de Maistre, very fitting in this day and age: "Every country has the government it deserves"

(I actually wrote a much bigger statement, but then Chrome crashed and had to do a summed up version. So, there you have it).

I'm full of optimism. I actually couldn't believe my eyes last night. I was so happy. For me, Brexit and Trump are the first instances of people actually winning against the elites against all odds. I didn't believe it was possible before. Even after Brexit I wasn't sure, I considered it just an accident. But now I'm eagerly waiting for waves of right wing populism to sweep through Europe. I'm still a pessimist, but now I'm confident enough to at least dream of a radically different Europe. But oh well, let's wait for the elections.

I think the world is going to change a lot.

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I thought people might be inspired to listen to each other and compromise in light of all the revelations about the DNC and this thorough rejection of Washington, like we'd all be ready to rebuild together from the ashes :C


GOP-lead Congress gets shit done. Big 3 for me:

Pass a 20-24 week abortion limit with the standard exceptions and ideally if we're going to keep Planned Parenthood around and funded, mandate they start providing counseling services in-house nationally (right now they have "counselors" who provide free recommendations for actual low-cost counselors to women who don't know their options) so women/and their partner can make a decision they can live with before the 20 week mark (side note they do the same thing with cancer screening services, there is not a single PP in this country that offers cancer screening, they give you a list of low-cost clinics that do and THAT'S what they claim is the vital service they provide to women in this country, PP is nothing but the remnant of a crazy eugenicist).

Enable border patrol to actually deport illegal immigrants (the Obama Admin started counting on-the-border turnaways as deportations, that's why his numbers look like he's been deporting at a high, you can look that up if you feel inclined) especially the career felons who have been deported six or seven times. Restore the cuts and lose the regulations Obama enforced so border patrol has the means and manpower to catch and keep said criminals out when they try to come back.

Fucking fix it, Mr Biz Wiz. There was a point in the 90s where we had a small trade surplus with Mexico or even a small deficit of only a few million isn't so bad when we're the developed economy and they're developing. But we're at a $55-60 MILLION yearly deficit. That's just Mexico! It's not a trade agreement if one side is bending the other over a table. Our government is giving corporate CEOs billion dollar profits by running massive deficits with Mexico's government to the detriment of both countries' workforce. On what plane of reality does that make sense? This includes things like lowering the corporate income tax to 15%, I MUST at least see progress towards lowering that number.

If it's a shitshow it's either because he's actually a super villain and goes all Hitler, or not a single member of Congress acknowledges him at all and he rejects everything they send. I don't think either of those options are very likely, and my prediction accuracy has been HELLA GOOD this election as it turns out :3

In the best interest in all of us can we all please just be honest from here on

Look If he does something bad and ends up being an Obama 2.0 of empty promises then we need to be honest about it but for every good thing he does like if he really gets us more jobs then lets congratulate him.

Personally, im hopeful. I hope he proves my ass wrong and makes me look stupid. I hope hes the best damn president in my life time. I have to give him a chance now so come on you big orange fuck prove how wrong I am please change my mind and make me proud of you.

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hu·bris
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noun
noun: hubris

excessive pride or self-confidence.

What I would like to see:

1) Immigration enforcement and reform. This pertains not only to illegal immigration but the reform of specific visa programs such as H1B1.

2) Economic reform. Renegotiation of trade deals to protect US manufacturing as much as possible. Tax reform to promote small business creation and large corporation investment in the US labor force. I understand this is largely a fight against the tide of history, but an attempt needs to be made to invest in American labor.

3) Health care reform. Most of you here are younger, so it's not a priority for you yet. But it will become one for you soon if it's not already, and the ACA is a disaster. It needs to be burned down and replaced before it implodes on its own.

4) A rational and non-interventionist foreign policy. It's time to stop overthrowing dictators and replacing them with groups like the Muslim Brotherhood or "moderate" rebels. It's time to stop antagonizing Russia by encircling them with new members of NATO and provoking anti-Russian factions in former Soviet republics. The last quarter century of US foreign policy has been a disaster for both the US and most of the rest of the world in almost every way imaginable, and both parties are responsible for it being so.

5) Finally, I'd really like to see corporate news media reform. A handful of corporations own nearly all news media outlets in the US. The news industry is controlled by a small group of corporations who, as we have seen in this election, have compromising and corruptive ties to the political system. It results in a technically free press that is in actuality sleeping, literally in some cases, with the government.

Media ownership laws were gutted in recent decades. I would like to see them reinstalled to prevent the monolithic news media which disservices us today and stifles the truly independent voices.

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I don't know what's worst. The people freaking out, thinking we've just elected Hitler, who is going to send all LGBT and Mexicans to camps and start WW3 or the people who think we've just elected Jesus who is going to destroy the system and make changes the president does not have the power to enact. One side is overestimating Trump's evil and the other is vastly overestimating the president's power.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

I don't know what's worst. The people freaking out, thinking we've just elected Hitler, who is going to send all LGBT and Mexicans to camps and start WW3 or the people who think we've just elected Jesus who is going to destroy the system and make changes the president does not have the power to enact. One side is overestimating Trump's evil and the other is vastly overestimating the president's power.

Which is why im glad I got out of sipping the coolaide months before the generals.

Democracy doesn't mean getting what you want when ever you want it. Democracy means sometimes my guy wins and some times the other guy wins.

Question:

For how many of you was this the first Presidential election you paid attention to or were old enough to care about? And what, if anything, did you learn? Any major lessons that you feel you will take forward in life?

For my part, I wouldn't say I learned anything new or surprising. Much of what I've always suspected about the political system/process was confirmed through the Wikileaks releases, and the cross confirmation of some of the content released by Project Veritas. In particular, the relationships between some media figures/organizations and certain politicians was something I believed was occurring, but never had definite proof of this until this year.

TheLastMethBender wrote:

Which is why im glad I got out of sipping the coolaide months before the generals.

Democracy doesn't mean getting what you want when ever you want it. Democracy means sometimes my guy wins and some times the other guy wins.

Aye, you win some and you lose some. I am just gonna hold my breath for four years and hope that the Democratic party puts a strong candidate for 2020

Colonel Sandor wrote:

Question:

For how many of you was this the first Presidential election you paid attention to or were old enough to care about? And what, if anything, did you learn? Any major lessons that you feel you will take forward in life?

For my part, I wouldn't say I learned anything new or surprising. Much of what I've always suspected about the political system/process was confirmed through the Wikileaks releases, and the cross confirmation of some of the content released by Project Veritas. In particular, the relationships between some media figures/organizations and certain politicians was something I believed was occurring, but never had definite proof of this until this year.

I remember all the elections since 2004, but this is the only one I've paid attention to, and I'm starting to regret giving a shit.

I've lost a lot of my faith in the effectiveness of our political system after seeing how little people cared about actual political issues in this election. In theory, the environment and the TPP should have been hot-button issues this cycle, but I've barely heard them mentioned since the election season began. All people cared about was the endless string of scandals – the emails, the Satanism, the pussy grabbing – and the candidates started to rely on digging up as much shit about the enemy as possible rather than making themselves look more appealing. Fucking Pepe, a damn meme frog, was one of the most talked about issues online. Can you really call our system a democracy when the vast majority of people vote based on which candidate had the fewest scandals, or even more trivial bullshit like Pepe?

Has it always been like this, with the constant shitslinging and meme crap, or is this something new for this awful election?

Colonel Sandor wrote:

Question:

For how many of you was this the first Presidential election you paid attention to or were old enough to care about? And what, if anything, did you learn? Any major lessons that you feel you will take forward in life?

For my part, I wouldn't say I learned anything new or surprising. Much of what I've always suspected about the political system/process was confirmed through the Wikileaks releases, and the cross confirmation of some of the content released by Project Veritas. In particular, the relationships between some media figures/organizations and certain politicians was something I believed was occurring, but never had definite proof of this until this year.

Probably gonna sound Edgy as fuck but:

First election I could vote for, First one I followed with any kind of interest. I learned that I just don't care at the end of the day. I feel that the election process is broken and doesn't favor who the people want. Without a real change to the process I doubt I'll ever truly care who wins. I feel no connection to this country and probably won't ever will.

I didn't even want Hillary, I wanted Bernie, but when He got the boot so did any hope for making me a person who cares even the slightest about this country or it's people.

I say this without a hint of sarcasm: Congratulation Trump Supporters, I hope you get what you want from your president.

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