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Okay man, I like to think that I have some sort of grasp on what "too far" looks like, and I'd say this is it. I totally understand that the "scorched earth" strategy is one that you apply to basically everyone, but… what's with the need to make things so incredibly personal?

Personal attacks like this are usually a sign of desperation

Ah, sweet denial

@HolyCrapItsBob

Do you and A Real Libertarian have a hate boner for each other or something?

People roamed the streets in protest against the Iraq war, demanding Bush to stop the war and send the soldiers back.

Unless you cloned yourself like a million times and applied plastic surgery to all your clones, you're gonna have a hard time proving it was just you who thought Iraq was a bad idea.

>The Iraq war
>KYM site rules
>What is art?
>Yellowcake

Is this what GamerGate is about these days?

Stay on topic, please. Make a seperate thread if you think Sadam is a SJW or whatever.

Ok, time out. All of you.
All i see here are a bunch of hotheads who are trying to ram the "truth" into eachother
No wonder there is no civil discussion about gamergate.

@A real libertarian

You believe your truth and they believe theirs but smearing people for trying to remain neutral in gamergate makes you nothing better then aGGRo's
Plus, if you want to convince someone use some SOLID EVIDENCE
not random articles or polls plucked from the web. You can hate me for saying this but that's how most people will see it.

@holycrapitsbob

I know you like to speak like that but if you want to debate here you should be a bit more polite because these guys will use everything you say against you.

Allright children, i will repeat the rules for a proper debate one more time:

• be polite, swearing is childish
• Back up your statements with solid evidence, if you don't you will sound like a tinfoil-hatter
• Stay relevant, i know it's a common tactic to change topic if you are about to lose a debate but it really makes a mess of the discussion.
• treat the other like a being who has the right to believe in his opinion no matter how dumb you may find the person.

That's all folks, remember: let the discussion stay relevant to gamergate and don't circlejerk about the LW's because it's pointless to repeat something a million times.

Cheers

You were never trying
unless you were trying to be condescending, in which case, thumbs-up

@Hrom

If the only thing you can contribute to the debate is this i advice you to shut up.
Provocative talk like that is the last thing we need now.

Taking your definition of being right is thinking and saying what you want.
I am unimpressed of you being unimpressed, because everybody here is unimpressed of me being unimpressed of you being unimpressed of the unimpressed you.

Edit: Its never me, is everybody else, is a conspiracy!!!

So a mod comes in and trashes the thread, and gg get's to deal with the consequences of "going off topic", despite a large chunk of the off topic material being from the one mod.

Seems unfair but what do I know. Apparently riff-raff is for serious business and this section is for shit slinging at one another. Obviously my grasp of the real site rules is pretty shaky at best.

Now back on topic, before some mysterious Mod derails this thread again and again, then ask the rest to do something he doesnt do.

Some people are so Kluweless!!!

No, it can't be! That doesn't fit the Narrative™!

^ Since when did reality fit the narrative?
(a little hint, it never did!)

Aside from "listen and believe", I wonder what motivates people to make such pointless and completely delusional claims?

Gamergate for a lot of people has become just another buzzword. Outside of those participating, it doesn't even mean sexism in gaming anymore. It's just a word used to describe nerdy or geeky people getting angry over stuff. Essentially, it is the new term for "Nerd Rage" or whatever you call it when people get mad and post insults or complaints online.

It's an easy way to dismiss other people's points essentially, not even as misogyny anymore as much as just "they're just dumb people obsessed with this one thing". Just like how you can dismiss any persons complaints or criticisms are trolling, even though that's not what trolling is.

And?

Our best weapons: boycotts, lobbying the FTC, meeting with the SPJ, etc. etc. aren't affected at all by that.

And when AntiGamer tries to blame GamerGate for everything it just makes them look bad.

Seriously, when they claim that if you're disgusted by this:

You must be GamerGate that just makes us look better.

And when they declare Edward Snowden is GamerGate for supporting free speech it makes us look better still.

When we became SOCJUS's boogeyman it meant we get blamed for everything they hate including all the stuff the average person likes.

Now over on Reddit KIA is hitting the front page every other day and has already established a reputation as a place to find out what's going on with Reddit administration fuck-ups, internal politics for a variety of large subs, a place to discuss when the big subs censor shit, and a great source of comedy. That reputation is spreading & solidifying by the day.

Let them cry all they want, we just keep winning.

It seems he didn't show anything. I mean, it is possible that any mean tweets directed at him could have been deleted and/or threads or posts on a forum mentioning him could have been deleted, but knowing his track record he's probably just making up crap.

He might mean this.

It consists of:

70% pointing out how stupid "punch up, not down" is.
20% hoping for a repeat of Mercedes stomping on his stupidity.
10% calling him out on covering up that rape and using "LGBT Activism" as a promotional tool.

I'm yet to see any "ragefrothing".

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So I just remembered this supposedly happened

But yet go on Twitter right now and Tauriq's alive and well on Twitter.

This prick also blocked me before I ever spoke a word to him, and I know I'm not even on the blockbot. It's like he's looking for people to block!

Just remember people, isnt only Kluweless, is all Aggros who is going bananas in the whole SWSX, SXSW, WWE, ECW or whatever that thins is called.

I hear he got harassed after he posted his article on diversity in gaming. Did he really get harassed, or are there people just crying it because he said some possibly ridiculous stuff about a controversial topic?

In a new movie by Jonathan McIntosh.
Mansplaining in the rain!!!
The story of men that tell other men about feminism.

"This is how men respectfully engage in feminism, isolated in a room with a green screen so they can be added into scenes with women in post."

How else would they get women to be in a video with FullMcIntosh and dont run away from him as he was Godzilla and they were japanesse people?

Is either green screen or shackles.

Tauriq was "harassed" in the sense that people mocked his dumb ass for being a games journalist who is utterly ignorant of the basics of gaming.

Encyclopedia Dramatica has a lot more.

I thought so. Although, the article says he was sent porn and verbal assaults (and I think ED can be fairly accurate sometimes). Is that true?

I wouldn't doubt it. There are a lot of idiots out there, gamergate or otherwise.

The sad thing is he's fixated on gamergate being entirely composed of said idiots.

Well this wasn't very surprising.

I think that describes much of Anti-GG.

All these conventions and conferences are setting a great example: give in to fear, just completely exhume that excrement in your bowels and your bladder flat out into your undergarments the second any sort of opposition occurs.

Granted I don't know how many threats they got, but it doesn't change the fact that threats can easily be copy pasta'd and you can easily make a script or bot to post such threats with minor variations under different "alias". Why do people think cancelling things because you got threats is a good idea? Are we not learning something about how to handle terror in a post 9/11 era? It's one thing to cancel something because you are convinced its a bad idea, its another to cancel it because someone threatened and coerced you into cancelling it.

"If people can not agree, disagree and embrace new ways of thinking in a safe and secure place that is free of online and offline harassment, then this marketplace of ideas is inevitably compromised."-http://www.sxsw.com/news/2015/sxsw-statement-hugh-forrest

Wow that was phrased terribly. Essentially they just outright stated that if anyone compromises the security of the place than its okay to remove things to accommodate the compromiser. Couldn't you just…. remove the people who can't keep their conduct… non-disruptive?

Well I'm glad that at the very least SWXS or whatever they are called didn't straight up cancel it because of the narrative about GG, but rather they don't want to get caught in a crossfire (so to speak). It's a good position to have.

This isn't over yet either, let's keep an eye on how the 'plan B' pans out.

I don't know man. I don't think running away or otherwise choosing to ditch a course of action count as a good position. You fight bullying and being a victim of it by standing together not by ducking under the table when mean people walk by. I mean clearly the bullies who made the threats wanted the panels to get cancelled so it doesn't matter if they ban both the anti-GG and GG panels because anti-GG always has a spot somewhere either on the media or at another convention.

This was literally the first time GG would be at a convention and once again they folded to bullying. I do agree that no one enjoys being a victim though I just disagree on how we prevent ourselves from being victims.

Edit: Okay these SXSW guys hosted a panel on Snowden. I think they can handle one about games media… unless you're telling me the stakes here are much higher than possible CIA involvement, angry government officials and overly patriotic people any of whom could easily do more damage than "nerd rage".

Plus side: the man behind the puppet is throwing his hat into the ring and he's a loony basket.
Other plus side: it's gonna be f-in hilarious to watch a straight white male talk about how straight white males are "evil" or some shit.

Normally I'd agree, but the GG vs anti-GG 'war' has turned into such a mess that I can't in good conscious get mad at a neutral third party for not wanting to get involved.

Joining a cause like this, or openly taking a side, would open them up to a ton of harrasment and bullshit from a lot of people. There's nothing wrong with stepping aside. We should be glad they aren't taking the popular stance of "you're all stupid, but I'm not".

This wasn't the first time, remember Calgary Expo & the Honey Badgers?

Randi Harper's panel was also canceled, AntiGamer is currently chimping out over that.

Meanwhile we're going with Plan B, which is "hold the panel at a building just outside the conference", which we already lined up because we knew something like this was going to happen (seriously, get a new strategy, "bomb threat everything" is already assumed with you people).

So already this going better then last time, I'm guessing AntiGamer thought it would go like last time i.e. GamerGate gets kicked and they suffer no consequences whatsoever (they're ignoring that lawsuit against Calgary Expo & the Mary Sue that's working its way into court because they're stupid).

Anyways with this going on AntiGamer is trying a second "Gamers Are Dead" hit-piece blitz.

That is very bad for them because some of what the AntiGamer panelists said about PixelMetal might have crossed the line into outright Libel, Zoe is throwing a tantrum over our panel (complete with lying about PixelMetal) and best of all, due to Oliver having to drop out (probably due to his health issues) his replacement was Lynn Walsh.

Yes, the Emmy award-winning, President-Elect/Secretary-Treasurer of the Society of Professional Journalists and representative for the neutral side during Airplay Lynn Walsh.

So yeah, the biggest name in America's largest journalism organization is about to get a front-row seat to the narrative being crafted!

Current mood:

Let us hope that one day we will finally get through to the public, because the SJWs are getting more vile and deranged by the second

http://theralphretort.com/sjw-thugs-allegedly-bully-steven-universe-fan-artist-into-suicide-attempt-1024015/

Liana K talks about the SXSW cancellations.

This type of stuff is silly and I don't like when it happens ((the panels being shut down)). It feels like all the people who ask for conversations to be had on issues like gaming, violence, how people are treated, and all these other things they want to talk about, coming together, to say a conversation is the last thing they want.

Which from my interactions with a lot of people from all walks of politics, isn't the case at all. You have the handful who fit the stereotype of the dreaded sjw, sure. But you also have a handful that fit the gamers-are-losers stereotypes as well. Let's be honest here, they do exist, but they shouldn't be looked at as the norm, nor shunned for being weirdos.

It feels like there's no room for people to actually talk as long as this hysteria about GG from either side continues. The only voices being heard by either side are the screechers who think law and order had a documentary episode on gamers rooted in hard facts, and screamers who think anyone who thinks tolerance and respectable conversations are good is a literal stalinist sleeper agent.

Today, I also saw the SXSW cancellation trending on Facebook briefly. Well, it really said something like "panel discussing sexism in gaming cancelled due to threats", but yeah it trended.

Back when it was pn they called it a panel about harassing women and that it should be canceled. Now that its cancelled it was a good panel about sexism?

Really disingenuous, those article writers. Then again, what else is new? These writers were disingenuous from the first clickbait 9/10 article.

While I wish SXSW had allowed the panels to go forward, since caving only encourages whomever is motivated to make threats to continue doing so, at least organizers cancelled both events and isn't arbitrating who is allowed to speak (and therefore implicating the other as responsible for the threat).

One of these big conventions should look into setting up some kind of sting operation and try to catch one of these anonymous threat makers. At this point it's not like mentioning the inclusion of a GG-related event is a surprise.

BTW an LA Times article on the SXSW issue made it to the Drudge Report today, so the story has gotten some wider exposure.

I think they might be talking about the Harper one, not the GG-side one. But who knows.

Remaining on the subject, I think the decision to cancel both panels is comprehensible, though not a particularly brave one. Both sides have fringes (smaller or bigger) that are able to spout a lot of vitriol on neutrals for just being neutrals, and I can understand why they didn't want to kick a hornet nest that could potentially derail the con.