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Oh well fuck me up the asshole and call me a porcupine, I never knew Trudeau was that much of prick to want to censor everything. If I knew that I never would've voted for him.

Still, I would hope that the senate would know enough to not pass any censorship laws. Canada has been staunchly against that in the last 20 years.

Yeah, Canadians, prepare for your mandatory castration

Not exactly, Trudeau needs to keep a light hand because if he decides to cosplay Harper that's going to get backlash.

Harper only maintained control via a combination of ruthless political maneuvering, short-term bribery of the voters via promises never delivered on, and that vote split amongst the left that meant as long he didn't go completely batshit right-wing he can get enough votes to stay in power.

Trudeau doesn't have the absolute death grip on party MPs (they can jump ship easier and have 2 parties on either side of the political spectrum to jump to), and now that he has a majority he's taking the blame for everything that happens for next 4 years and the economy has some big issues beyond the oil price.

Plus SOCJUS is losing credibility fast, that Twitter trial is causing concern across the political spectrum & all levels of society, if Trudeau decides to hook his political fortunes to the Steph Guthrie's of the nation he'll just kill the Liberal Party for a generation (assuming a backbench revolt doesn't depose him first).

And it's not like the Conservatives are doing fine, Harper spent his 12 years as party head centralizing everything around himself and he resigned. So that's going to cause issues.

The leading candidates to succeed him are Jason Kenney (who is smart but has some baggage in his past) and Jim Prentice (personally popular but made some truly bad decisions as Premier of Alberta that resulted in the PCs getting booted out of office after 44 years in power).

All in all, if Trudeau goes full SOCJUS the big winner is going to be the NDP.

Plus part of the Liberals campaign was promising electoral reform that will solve a bunch of issues that mean that a majority government (that doesn't need the support of any other government much easier) is going to be a lot harder to get.

Did I just triple post? It says I have three of the exact same post for me, anyone else see that?

But yeah, he better tread carefully. Canadians have a history of not putting up with bad PMs for long. I really wish he didn't just name-drop GG like that too, he clearly didn't even do his research.

This is still a democracy, remember, it's not a dictatorship. Nobody's going to put up with censorship, for any cause. If he pushes laws like that too hard, we can still kick him out and get someone else. In Canada, if the Senate votes to remove him from office, they can do that. We aren't forced to just deal with it till the end of his term if it comes to that.

Yeah I see a triple post too. No idea why though.

I remember my internet was being slow when I originally posted it, and I refreshed it to reload, but that's all. No clue why there are 3. If a mod reads this, please delete the last 2.

Thank god for that.
Seems my country isn't entirely fucked.

And now Dennis Dyack is attempting to have a word with Trudeau.

Talking with a person that isnt a PC Bro is bad PR.
So is not happening.
He could get sane and start making laws that actually help people.

so I found this

I tweeted a bunch of stuff about that. Some GGers were accusing Markus of trying to cohort with her, when that's obviously a load of garbage. Not to mention, it wasn't even initiated by him and he doesn't seem too pleased to have met her to begin with.

Just any pro-GG person reading this, please, for the love of god, do NOT get mad at him for this. You know those periodic moments when Gamergate gets thrown into the spotlight of mainstream gamers and needs to show well if it wants more supporters?

This is one of those moments.

I understand how easy it is to misread into events, as I recently was accused by a pro-GGer of "defending association with her", which wasn't even what Notch was doing. This same GGer also said there needs to be punishment for talking to her… so you can see how radicals are reacting to this.

Just stay sane, and act with that frame of mind, and all will be good.

^ agree, it's the anti-gamers that get angry when what of theirs talks to us, NOT the other way around

The important thing to take from that tweet is the words "uninvited" as in Anita PARTY CRASHED a game dev's party.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/judge-hulk-hogan-can-investigate-leak-of-racist-rant/2250763

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https://archive.is/0GmnO
Also Chu is mad that sxsw let people vote for their panels and the decide Gamer Gate isnt Satan.

But that's just the thing, if you go on Notch's twitter you'll find a ton of pro-gamergate people attacking him for meeting her, which wasn't even what happened.

The guy who's been bitching at me for the past 3 days about Notch "losing his morals" and "scheming with a scam artist" is PRO-gamergate. He's a pro radical, not an anti.

These things kind of wake you up and realize a lot of people have lost touch. These folks will not help our cause, because they do the same thing SJWs do, only for different reasons. They are no better than what the antis do.

So we need to educate and properly inform those people to not jump to hasty conclusions
as well as keep an eye on Notch from now on, just to be sure

yes it says she crashed the party and did it just for gamercred.
he was just laughing it off. she wasn't going to get any advancement to her career for this.
reminds me of a story I was told in my freshman year where my fine art professor caught yoko ono sneaking into some big art event full of huge beatles fans who would have hated her guts if they knew she was there.

I think you're starting to see the problem a lot of people have with the entirety of GG. These radicals you're talking about are the face, front-line, and first to reply, and what people think of when they think GG. They're the ones who show up all the time, every time, and are the biggest showing to people of what GG is when they search it out.

Telling people about education and looking before they judge doesn't help the situation much either. These folks were around last winter and were doing the same thing back then, when people were calling for others to wake up and take the red pill. They were the people doing most of the red pill work, the call in to advertiser work, the spreading news story work, essentially they're the backbone and the meat of what is GG.

It's why you see a lot of former GGers being neutral, even on this site. Cause this is the kind of behavior one can expect, especially on one of its flagship congregation spots, Twitter. The place people are most likely to encounter and make their judgement about what GG is like, cause it gives them a front row seat to experience both sides full force.

They won't listen. I've tried on many of them. The fact that they are radicals to begin with tells you what they are like.

And what would keeping tabs on Notch help with? I don't see what he's done wrong.

Fuck Notch, he gave money to Zoe when this started and was a reliable white knight for AntiGamer.

He's midway between Ian Cheong & Judas Sterling, he now understands he hooked his wagon to a bunch of crazy people that hate video games but he isn't willing to bail out like Ian or keep his mouth shut and try to avoid scrutiny like Sterling so he just shits on both sides and declares himself superior.

If it wasn't for the bad precedent it would set I'd say next time AntiGamer goes after him just sit back and watch him burn.

@Black Graphic T

Actually, it's the other way around.

It was the "moderate" idiots who took that retarded Ghazi maymay seriously and tried to censor away anything but the most narrow definition of "ethics" from /gamergatehq/ & KIA.

Acidman's hamfisted mod policies drove away all the diggers because most of them used avatars to ID themselves and he decided to ban avatarfagging during the purge (he actually thought calling it a "purge" was a good idea). I know Nackt hasn't been back since he got banned (and it doesn't matter Acid backpedaled, the damage was done).

That's why 80% of /gamergatehq/'s posters haven't been posting and instead went to other boards & sites.

KIA would have gotten down a similar path, but the community backlash made Hatman back down before the RedditRevolts made it very clear that his position was untenable and he resigned.

At least KIA has recovered and continue growing after the mod team learned they can't censor topics based on personal opinion without getting the community in revolt.

So what has Gamer Gate really done?

I read that there has been some changes in kotaku and other journalist sites. Plus some donations to different causes.

was that it? was it worth it? I think it has only damaged the perspection of the gamer. Anti-GG has had The Guardian, BBC, der Spiegel, USA today, and even the fucking UN backing them up. These are actors that have to mantain a reputation and must research a ding fucking-ton before establishing a position. All of them talk shit on the gamer community.

Isnt GG… counter productive?

We got the FTC to write regulations the way we like.

Anita is now publicly mockable on all but the most SJW hugbox sites.

South Park is giving SJWs the Scientology treatment for an entire season.

We got the Society of Professional Journalists on our side. And now they're thinking of an making an award for video game journalism.

Leigh Alexander & Ben Kuchera have had been castrated by their bosses.

How many millions did Gawker lose again? And in a time when they're dealing with massive lawsuits and a drop in traffic.

That UN speech turned into a fiasco for Anita, this is the third time she's been right in the public eye and the third time it's gone bad for her.

AntiGamer is fracturing under the weight of turf-battles over attention & victimbux, and SOCJUS's mask just keeps slipping more & more.

The mainstream continues its long march towards our position. Where before SJWs were unknown to the wider world now the world is waking up and they don't like what they see.

Those old media sites can continue smearing GamerGate, they're going to either jump off the SOCJUS train or get destroyed when "Muh Soggy Knee" turns into the next "Weapons of Mass Destruction".

Plus when did the MSM ever treat gamers as something besides a punching bag for ratings?

We can't take credit for everything but we've done good and will continue to do so.

The UN repealed their support because they realized the sources they brought up were horrible.
Most people agreeing to put Anita or other Anti-GG's on air tend to just do it for publicity. They know both pro and anti-GGers will come to watch for views.

If people ignore Anita she would probably fade away and die as an icon. They don't research, in the UN report, one of the sources was cited multiple times, and in one case one of the sources was a HARD DRIVE FILE! It said the source was on someone's C Drive! They don't research they spout non-sense and hope that no one will actually do research.

The Media hate's video games anyway. They also hate internet celebrities. Television companies used to be the go-to thing for kids, now kids pay attention to games and internet celebs more than TV. So they lose money from this. They will find anything they can do shit on Gamers and Internet Celebrities.

This time the narrative isn't just "Video games make you want to murder" They also suddenly cause you to "hate women". The message just got a little bit longer and just like the narrative they tried to spread about violence it is a lie the idea that games cause people to hate women is a lie.

Really impressive with what you guys did with the FTC and the SPJ, perhaps in the future video game journalism will be taken more seriously (I know I don't now).

Regarding MSM it could be, but when it comes to media like Der Spiegel who are dead serious when it comes to fact checking and mantain rigorous journalism integrity, or like the Guardian which has muliple times won webby awards for their work, makes me wonder.

Took a quick look on the UN report that you mentioned and there are indeed some shady use of bibliography which is unacceptable for an organization of their scope, even if its a branch.

I can't seem to find a statement or a link of the UN reapealing their suport, would it be possible to share that sauce with me?

it ain't a party until the anti-gamers try to poop the party for having too much fun.

The Guardian has been shit for a long time now, the Snowden leak gave them some good PR but the rest of them is heavily rotted.

Here.

Here.

Continuing smearing Tim Hunt.

Now a lot of "reliable sources" have decided to burn their credibility by publishing lies that can be debunked in 5 minutes.

As for the UN report, right here.

And as for ignoring Anita, that's not an option.

Between Josh's trust fund, the marketing agencies (Silverstring, etc.) and a bunch of journalists fully aware she's incorrect but support her BS anyways because they must defend M'Lady ignoring her was how she got so powerful.

Her whole scam relies on being known, but not too known. She needs to be known as that women is is treatened for being a feminist on the internet. Get too close and then people see "racial segregation improves classroom learning", "Feminism is not about choice", and every other embarrassing issue with her.

What were her most public moments?

1. Colbert Report. Despite being treated with kid gloves and having comments disabled on the Comedy Central YouTube page (no one else has ever had that done for them) her first true mainstream appearance consisted of "name 3 games" and overall came off badly to the vast majority of viewers.

2. Attending E3. Her attempts to whip up hysteria over the convention badges fell flat even amongst her own followers and criticizing the new Doom for being "too violent" just made everyone who saw it remember the 90s moral panic.

3. The UN. That report citing Jack Thompson & an article calling Pokemon a "killing game for toddlers" & Nintendo a "satanic device manufacturer" fucked her over bad. She admitted that she regards being called a liar as "harassment" deserving censorship:

And all the comment sections I've seen outside SJW hugboxes on that issue have been 99% mocking her.

She's like a vampire, she has to come within visual range to suck people's blood, but drag her into the sunlight and she burns.

The Guardian appears to be a far cry from the Pulitzer Prize-winning site it was in 2013. It went from being the shit to just shit.

I have to disagree, the guardian is good when it is reporting on actual news, the problem is it cant resist publishing every idiotic left wing opinion piece it gets.

Also there's a surprising amount of their commenters who frequently call the articles out on their bullshit.

According to Notch, he actually deleted a negative tweet towards Milo since it was being used as a tool, most likely by your opposition. Also, looking at this tweet, I kinda think he has a good point here. If GG has taught me anything, it's that horseshoe theory is real. And it can be applicable to most things here.

Good for him.

What I've learned is that "both sides are just as bad" is the favorite argument of every lazy asshole who doesn't want to put in the effort to find out what's going on but still wants to feel better then everyone else.

If they can make an argument based on the facts that's perfectly fine but when their entire shtick is shitting on the people involved while showing no awareness of what is even going on they just bother me.

Mark Bernstein might be completely out of touch with reality, but at least he puts in some effort.

And of course they don't matter in the big picture because when someone has no clue what's going on their opinion isn't going to be worth much, and when they are both actively hostile to learning anything more & firmly convinced of their own superiority their opinion is going to be worth jack & shit.

I mean Notch might say "I think both GGers and SJWs are raving lunatics" but all his work is going to be reviewed by sites backed by certain sides and he has to follow the regulations that we got put in regardless of what he thinks.

I mean I think Bush was a dumb puppet and Obama's a shill for big business, doesn't mean I can ignore what they've done unless I want a very rude awakening.

I mean people can claim GamerGate is dumb & immature & didn't do anything & is smelly all they want. Gawker isn't getting its 7 figures back, the FTC isn't going to stop enforcing those new regulations, Anita isn't going to stop losing all legitimacy.

It changes nothing.

^ Unless Hillary Clinton gets her way

Citing the UN report as evidence is shoddy at best for what gg's done. Considering everyone, even Anita, Zoe, and Randi, said it was crap from days 1 to 3 of ot being announced.

A Real Libertarian wrote:

So, people don't agree with you, and that makes them uppity assholes who think they're better than you?

Libertarian, we've talked about your rampant victim complex various times, but you still cling to it like… well, a victim.

Running to the opinions of a comic illustrator to validate your opinions is no different than running to the random bum behind your local Walmart. They're all opinions and you're retarded for believing they hold any merit.

The fact is, both sides are awful and people see that. Instead of shifting blame to the people who refuse to surround themselves in toxicity, maybe you should wonder what they're talking about. But you won't, instead of believing you're capable of being wrong, you instead choose to believe it is the world that is wrong. Just like the opposition you're so vehemently against.

Also, because I see you love using images to validate your opinion. Here's my impression of you towards neutrals:

Admittedly I'm biased with this, but we're not all raving lunatics. I've talked to a couple SJWs who at least tried to see my point of view, and we had a healthy discussion (don't act so shocked now). Yet I've also met a lot of GGers who are absolute turds on the internet.

There's bad eggs everywhere, saying they all belong to a certain group is just ignorant. I don't think he's even entertained either side's point of views or else he wouldn't say something like that.

@Black Graphic T

Did Anita actually say anything like that or did she just go silent and wait for everything to blow over? I can't remember.

@HolyCrapItsBob

Yes, yes, I have a victim complex & am toxic & is a very bad shitlord, but seriously even this site has follow those regulations and saying "GamerGate is dumb" won't stop the FTC from putting a boot up your ass if you decide to break them.

As for that "it's the world that's wrong" bit, duh, of course the world was wrong.

The world was wrong when it said Saddam had WMDs & Iraq would be a cakewalk but I said "this is going to be a disaster".

Which one was right?

And if you're going to respond with "but outside America" can it, outside the First-World SOCJUS is pretty much non-existent and outside the Anglosphere AntiGamer is also pretty much non-existent.

The world was wrong when it said Anita is above criticism, and look at how much she's been getting lately.

That whole " 'Misogyny!' is just an excuse for bad behavior, political correctness is stifling free thought, SJWs are shit and should be mocked" mindset of ours is becoming very popular lately.

Obama calling out political correctness, SJWs getting an entire season of the Scientology treatment from South Park, the Anti-SOCJUS backlash going mainstream. Do you want to know why that is? It's because GamerGate isn't some aberration of the natural order, we're not the last gasps of The Patriarchy™, we're just ahead of the curve.

Welcome to the new normal.

And of course you cut off everything I said after the comic, because it's so much harder to rant at people when you have to deal with their argument rather then some out of context snips.

And can that "you pointed out some people who disagree with you do so solely out of contrariness and wanting to feel special, therefore you must believe the same of everyone who disagrees with you". Whatever I disagree with Black Graphic T on, he/she has generally shown themselves to be knowledgeable.about what's going so I have to treat them seriously unless I'm OK with making some very embarrassing missteps.

Funny thing about opinions, they can be true or false, and saying it's "just my opinion" when proven false doesn't change the fact it's still false.

So you can have the opinion GamerGate hasn't changed anything, but that doesn't make the FTC go away.

MovieBob can shit on GamerGate all he wants, doesn't change the fact he's doing what we demand.

Honestly, what's your goal here?

HolyCrapItsBob said:

I’d almost feel embarrassed for you, but idiots should be afforded no sympathy, only pity.

…You weren’t the only one, shit-for-brains…

…Now, I say a quarter of a functioning brain because you’ve clearly set the example for lowest common denominator here…

You’re an idiot

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I always love it when mods don't follow site rules.

Everyone knows she (and social justice for that matter) is retarded.

That's a pretty big claim to make…

Also, you are so delusion, I wonder if you’ve convinced yourself that video games imitate real life.

Art generally speaking does reflect life, except for some highly experimental works that don't have characters with recognizable motivations, a setting that resembles nothing on earth, and a plot that doesn't follow logic or liner chronology.

Or do you think literary conventions going back to Ancient Greece keep popping up for reasons that don't include "it matches real life"?

EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS A STUPID IDEA. You weren’t the only one, shit-for-brains. Anyone with a quarter of a functioning brain could tell how this was going to end up.

So then why it happen? Why did it have such widespread support?

because social justice is a an unimportant blip on the radar of life. It is of no threat, no danger and no concern.

Wikileaks thinks it is, Greg Lukianoff & Jonathan Haidt agree, so does Bill Clinton.

Are they "shit-for-brains" too?

Nobody ever said she was above criticism. No one except delusion idiots who think they’re doing the world a justice.

Really? Try making a genuinely tough criticism of her 18 months ago outside the chans, try to find AAA devs willing to call her a shit then.

There's not going to be much, and it doesn't matter how many people knew she was a lying hack, what matters is how many were willing to say it.

Hell, some of the AIDF will admit she's completely wrong, but they will still attack anyone who dares criticize her because they must defend M'Lady.

Some of them are even journalists.

Everyone knows she (and social justice for that matter) is retarded.

Then why is she trotted out as an "expert on video games" in the media? Why does any criticism of her still arouse the blind rage of so many?

If they know that she's wrong but still defends her wrongness then they're not any different then those journalists who hid the truth of the Iraq War so they could be "good Americans".

“I don’t do what the other side is doing. To prove it, I’m going to do what the other side is doing and get angry at everyone who doesn’t want to join my side because I’m doing it.”

Are you regularly this incompetent? Or are you just trying to impress me?

Now when did ever do that?

I just pointed out Notch is a shit who gave money to Zoe and is in full blown "I am better then both sides mode".

Richard Dawkins didn't want to join up, I was OK with that.

Steven Pinker didn't want to join up, I was OK with that.

HotWheels had to leave because he has a website to run, I was OK with that.

That's because they weren't shits about it, they didn't try to tear GamerGate to feel superior, they just said "I don't have time to get involved, I have responsibility to other people" and that's that.

Yeah, I’ve gone over what my points were. Let me summarize it for you:

- You’re an idiot

OK, I'm an idiot.

Did Gawker get their 7 (now well into 8) figures back?

Is the the FTC going to stop enforcing the regulations we got put in?

Is Anita going to suddenly become credible to the average person who is familiar to her?

No, it changes nothing.

Big claim, no less true though.

As for journalists

Once again, the media.

But that's admitting the media is something that doesn't think social justice is retarded. The media is non coincidentally the people GG had problems with, so…

Okay bud… you've gone well beyond the point of calling out someone's arguments, and now you're just being a straight up asshole. Why are you getting like this? We are here to have discussion.

Do you honestly think anyone is going to consider you for even a second when you call them an idiot?

@HolyCrapItsBob

>Implying that rule isn’t a load of shit that no one follows

You’re hilarious.

If a rule is not being followed then the that rule should be repealed before the lack of enforcement convinces people that the rest of the rules don't matter either.

>Video games
>Art

You’re hilarious.

Given that you've gone from claiming "video games imitate real life" is a delusional idea to quibbling over the definition of art I'm going to assume you concede the point.

Moving on then.

[Citation Needed]

Do you mean you need citations that the Iraq War had popular support at the beginning?

Or do you mean you need citations that the Iraq War actually happened?

You’re assuming that any of that they’re talking about is solely linked to social justice. Not everything wrong with the world is a problem of social justice, stop being delusional.

Seems clear enough to me.

They don't need to be talking entirely about SOCJUS to be talking about SOCJUS you know.

Except everyone has. Have you even been on KYM long? A mod got his ass verbally kicked repeatedly for defending her here. Stop being deluded.

As for journalists, I thought you were all in agreement that their opinions were jokes. Why do their opinions only matter when they benefit you?

I've seen how the community has changed over past 18 months, do you think those beatdowns would have happened back then?

Since June 2014 I noticed a hard shift towards "fuck SJWs" in the community attitude, we weren't exactly Tumblr but there was a lot more willingness to treat SJWs as if they had a point, since then KYM has gone through an accelerated version of what society at large is going through.

As for journalists, their opinions are jokes but those jokes can be lethal.

Saddam, WMDs, deployed in 45 minutes, any of that ringing a bell?

Once again, the media. Why does it matter to you only when they benefit you?

Mobile biowarfare labs, Niger yellowcake, does this ring a bell at all?

Those were all breathlessly reported as fact by the media, and how many died for it? How many millions?

Just pointing out, it’s never a good idea to paint targets on your own foot. Leads to bad shit.

What is the relevance of those two quotes to each other?

And once again, you miss the point. That’s three for three. I’ve never seen someone achieve 100% failure status. A marvel, really.

Maybe if you would just explain your point instead of playing this pointless word game?

Or maybe you don't have a point.

P.S. If you want to argue you have a point could please explain your point instead of heading down that whole "I have a point", "no, you don't", "yes, I do", "no, you don't", "yes, I do" path of pointlessness.

1. It is a site rule, is it not? Just because you say it is stupid, does that make it so you as a moderator don't have to follow it?

2. Art is something made by a human being that can be subjectively called art. You may not like video games, but many many people do, and it is art if someone says it is.

I also want to remind you there was once a French painter who took the Mona Lisa, defaced it and put a mustache on it, wrote a dirty joke on it, and it is regarded as one of the most important pieces of modern art. Every so often a new medium of art comes along and people say "Oh that's trash, that's not art!", just because they are unfamiliar with it. Digital media is no different.

There's a huge difference between Miley Cyrus' 'Party In The USA' and Leonard Cohen's 'Hallelujah', yet they both count as art if you believe they are.
Same as comparing 'The Avengers' to 'The Godfather',
or 'Cat In The Hat' to 'The Great Gatsby'.
So yes, in that sense, even Shower With Your Dad Simulator 2015 counts as art.

3. Do a google search, don't be so lazy.

4. He never said everything wrong with the world is social justice, in fact he hasn't even implied that.

5. We're trying to get them to act with some professionalism and not corruption. Aside from that, they can believe whatever they want. We aren't the Thought Police.

6. HolyCrapItsBob: "Just pointing out, it’s never a good idea to paint targets on your own foot. Leads to bad shit."

Then why do you come in here, guns a blazing, assaulting all of our arguments (and us as human beings), without a counterpoint of your own?

Please explain, because you look like a shitposter to me.

@HolyCrapItsBob

Well I'm glad to see you still aren't able to make a comment without shooting a bunch of personal attacks at me. Thanks for the civil debate. /s

I have an art College assignment to get to. You know, where they teach you to not decide for everyone what constitutes art.

I hope you have a good night.