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Last posted Jul 04, 2018 at 11:03PM EDT. Added Apr 07, 2015 at 03:01AM EDT
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→Yellowtail models for Vidalia.
→Soup is Frisk's double.
→Suitcase Sam does have an eye behind his eyepatch.
→The insect race reminded me to this minigame from Mario Party 2.
→I can't believe Garbanzo is fucking dead.
→Steven has Lars three times on his phone's contact list.
→Onion threw himself like a cannonball through Steven's door.
→The credits music is once again taunting me and the question remains the same: what kind of cataclysm will unfold?

Honestly, first while seeing the episode, I felt like I didn't care too much about it because, well, I didn't care at all about Onion. That end though, it's the first time that I have sympathized with him.

Also, in an unrelated note, has anyone else noticed that none of the Gems have ears?

Seriously, I don't think a single Gem that we've seen has had a visible ear. This makes me think, do Gem's need ears? If they do, are they shaped like human ears, or are they more like bird ears?

I know that that has nothing to do with anything, but I just realized it this morning and felt the need the comment on it.

Imperator-Rex wrote:

Also, in an unrelated note, has anyone else noticed that none of the Gems have ears?

Seriously, I don't think a single Gem that we've seen has had a visible ear. This makes me think, do Gem's need ears? If they do, are they shaped like human ears, or are they more like bird ears?

I know that that has nothing to do with anything, but I just realized it this morning and felt the need the comment on it.

Thanks for the heads-up about the episodes.

Also, Amethyst confirmed for having ears:

…But it was me, DeMayo!

Gem Harvest was quite a comfy episode, with many funny and heart-warming moments. Uncle Andy was a fun character, although his initial portrayal is somewhat ironic in the light of recent events. "Get outta my barn, and my country, and my planet, you illegal immigrants!"

I'm really glad to see Lapis getting along with the Crystal Gems, although it's a shame that once again, like with Peridot, they didn't show us how exactly did they come on friendly terms, instead simply jumping from the beginning of Season 3, where she wants nothing to do with them, to now, where she is cool with harvesting and shopping and dining with them, without any actual development inbetween.

Kekking at all the Grearl fuel, Vision is going to have a field day.

Overall it was very nice, however, I don't think such a story deserved a 22-minute special, a standard one-parter would have been enough to cover it. Nothing wrong with long specials, but I kinda expect them to be reserved for lore-heavy episodes, like Bismuth.


That's how long it felt waiting for this episode, at least. Anyways, the episode felt kind of disappointing for a 2-part special. I understand that Thanksgiving is coming around the corner and that this is a Thanksgiving episode, but it felt like glorified filer. One thing that sparked my interest regardless of filler or plot was how Andy had hair similar to Marty. I'll just assume that Marty is also Greg's cousin, since it seems like the most logical answer. A second thing was the line "you didn't marry an American" and how Andy referred to the gem as "illegals" sparking a theory in my head meat about this show being an allegory for an immigration/refugee crisis, but I'm probably thinking about it too much.

Well, that was not quite as soul crushing as I thought it would be. In fact, it was actually quite adorable and funny.

I honestly thought at some points that the Pumpkin dog was going to die, what with how it kept getting mixed in with a other vegetables, but nope, it survived all the way through.

But it was nice seeing all the Gems together and having a good time misunderstanding humanity before the next inevitable catastrophe.

I think that this is what is needed: a chill episode with gems and the DeMayos just hanging around. I mean, it has to be, considering that the ominous end credits music is still playing and a soul-crushing cataclysm is inevitable and nobody's gonna be ready for that so, we'll get an optimistic, happy-go-lucky episode for now.

I quite enjoyed the interactions of everybody, specially when they were at the table. Jeez laweez, those corn metaphors did summed up some past events, y'know. Lapis somehow is cool with the gems (gotta need to fill that gap at one point), Mr. Andy just wants a family to stay together as a family (and also providing more information of the Universes and the DeMayos… probably gonna call that the "UniMayos") and the pumpkin puppy witnessed another one of his kind being brutally disemboweled in front of him.

Overall, I give this one a having a good time out of farm lifestyle. Bring me another.

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Thank god for Knowyourmeme, if it wasn't for this place I wouldn't have known that there was a new episode, because I haven't seen any news, outside of rumors, that it was coming back.


All that build up and anticipation for another filler episode with yet more pointless human characters… and a preachy message to boot… joy. Can we go back to the relevant stuff now? Or at least go back to the monster of the week type filler episodes? At least those came with the slight hope that Steven would develop his powers more.

Don't get me wrong, i'm all for downtime episodes and character/world building. But cripes, make em interesting, especially when you hype it up as a special. (Also, with the exception of Greg and Connie 30% of the time, human characters in SU blow chunks, so it'd be nice if they stopped wasting time on them. We got a whole species of intergalactic rock aliens, their civilizations, etc to explore, and a warp pad to take us there,so stop relegating whole chunks of episodes to the stupid shit human E is doing with human O, R, and K in a small section of the now rather explored, and boring main town.)

Last edited Nov 19, 2016 at 05:01PM EST

I have nothing against it, but this scene

made me think
"real subtle…"

No, really,, the lack of subtlety was pretty funny, but I wonder what will happen to this scene on those countries that censor the gay subtext.

We got to see Greg and the Gems deal with trying to understand what happened to Rose and what exactly Steven is. I was wondering when they'd get to this part in the flashbacks, and while it wasn't the best episode in my opinion, the amount of subtle and in-your-face exposition was good.

I'm guessing the reason Steven kept on wanting his gem to be out in the open is either due to the fact that babies have really soft and sensitive skin, so an object that isn't supposed to be there pushing in on his stomach was uncomfortable, or that Rose was watching over Steven by checking on Greg and the Gems (Not exactly sure what she'd do if something went wrong, but hey.)

Still wondering why Garnet's future vision was spotty during the episode. I have a feeling that Sapphire can hide aspects of the future vision from Ruby when they're fused, or that Garnet doesn't have future vision going on 24/7

Aaaaaaaaand Pearl thought about disemboweling Steven. If Eyeball is redeemed/redeemable, they'll probably talk about it, or something.

Oh, and I kinda find it funny that all four of them were sorta right.

-Steven's sense of right and wrong is the exact same as Rose's, though he goes about it a different way (Rose, but transformed).

-Physically, he's also a combination of Greg and Rose.

-A Gem's natural form is their gem so Rose is, in a way, trapped within Steven.

-And Steven's also a human, at the very least mentally, having has to learn and mature.

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Matau, Toa Of Air wrote:

We got to see Greg and the Gems deal with trying to understand what happened to Rose and what exactly Steven is. I was wondering when they'd get to this part in the flashbacks, and while it wasn't the best episode in my opinion, the amount of subtle and in-your-face exposition was good.

I'm guessing the reason Steven kept on wanting his gem to be out in the open is either due to the fact that babies have really soft and sensitive skin, so an object that isn't supposed to be there pushing in on his stomach was uncomfortable, or that Rose was watching over Steven by checking on Greg and the Gems (Not exactly sure what she'd do if something went wrong, but hey.)

Still wondering why Garnet's future vision was spotty during the episode. I have a feeling that Sapphire can hide aspects of the future vision from Ruby when they're fused, or that Garnet doesn't have future vision going on 24/7

Aaaaaaaaand Pearl thought about disemboweling Steven. If Eyeball is redeemed/redeemable, they'll probably talk about it, or something.

Oh, and I kinda find it funny that all four of them were sorta right.

-Steven's sense of right and wrong is the exact same as Rose's, though he goes about it a different way (Rose, but transformed).

-Physically, he's also a combination of Greg and Rose.

-A Gem's natural form is their gem so Rose is, in a way, trapped within Steven.

-And Steven's also a human, at the very least mentally, having has to learn and mature.

I'd also like to point out how both Greg and the other CGs weren't entirely wrong, but not exactly correct either with their thoughts of Steven's Humanity/Gemanity (if that's not a word, I'm making it one). Greg thought of him as a Human, the other CGs thought of him as a Gem, when he's a hybrid. I guess Garnet came the closest in that respect, but she still thought he was more Gem considering she was conviced he was a fusion, like her. Again, she wasn't entirely wrong but she was still pretty off along with Greg, Pearl and Amethyst.

As for your other points, I'm really not comfortable with the thought that Rose is still alive in Steven. I honestly prefer the idea that she's basically dead. Think about it for a bit: They've talked previously about how a Gem's whole being is in their Gemstone, so I can't see how, or even why Rose would still be alive inside Steven.
To me it seems like a memory card: You have one file in the card, and you must delete the file to make place for a new file. Going from this, Rose must've deleted her "file" so Steven's "file" could fit in. This would essentially mean that all traces of Rose is gone, and that there's no "living" part of her. It's all Steven now. Of course, this is just my headcanon but I think this is much better than the creepy and unnerving theory that Rose is still alive in Steven and that she's in full control of him, that just makes it seem like Steven is a puppet.

As for your other analysis, I think Steven's morality is different from Rose's but mostly in subtle ways so far. He, unlike Rose, told Amethyst, Garnet, and Pearl about Bismuth, what she did and what she was gonna do (though I guess that says more about how he's communicative than the difference of his morality).
No real argument against the physical part, he does share traits off of both parents.
As for the natural form, the thing is that Steven's natural form (going off my hybrid headcanon/hypothesis/thoughts/whatever from earlier) wouldn't be either or, it should be both his Gemstone and his Human body.

Although we all should keep in mind that this was over a decade ago in the show, and both Greg and the other CGs didn't understand him nearly as much as they do now. We probably shouldn't guess or assume that they still carry those thoughts of him from back then now, or at the very least that those thoughts still kind of remain but changed and altered wildly from back then. After all, Pearl doesn't seem interested in ripping out Steven's Gemstone in the present, does she?

Do keep in mind that this is all just headcanons, thoughts and theories I've come up with from my time watching SU, and that I'm probably wrong on more than one accounts.

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Zaccharine wrote:

I'd also like to point out how both Greg and the other CGs weren't entirely wrong, but not exactly correct either with their thoughts of Steven's Humanity/Gemanity (if that's not a word, I'm making it one). Greg thought of him as a Human, the other CGs thought of him as a Gem, when he's a hybrid. I guess Garnet came the closest in that respect, but she still thought he was more Gem considering she was conviced he was a fusion, like her. Again, she wasn't entirely wrong but she was still pretty off along with Greg, Pearl and Amethyst.

As for your other points, I'm really not comfortable with the thought that Rose is still alive in Steven. I honestly prefer the idea that she's basically dead. Think about it for a bit: They've talked previously about how a Gem's whole being is in their Gemstone, so I can't see how, or even why Rose would still be alive inside Steven.
To me it seems like a memory card: You have one file in the card, and you must delete the file to make place for a new file. Going from this, Rose must've deleted her "file" so Steven's "file" could fit in. This would essentially mean that all traces of Rose is gone, and that there's no "living" part of her. It's all Steven now. Of course, this is just my headcanon but I think this is much better than the creepy and unnerving theory that Rose is still alive in Steven and that she's in full control of him, that just makes it seem like Steven is a puppet.

As for your other analysis, I think Steven's morality is different from Rose's but mostly in subtle ways so far. He, unlike Rose, told Amethyst, Garnet, and Pearl about Bismuth, what she did and what she was gonna do (though I guess that says more about how he's communicative than the difference of his morality).
No real argument against the physical part, he does share traits off of both parents.
As for the natural form, the thing is that Steven's natural form (going off my hybrid headcanon/hypothesis/thoughts/whatever from earlier) wouldn't be either or, it should be both his Gemstone and his Human body.

Although we all should keep in mind that this was over a decade ago in the show, and both Greg and the other CGs didn't understand him nearly as much as they do now. We probably shouldn't guess or assume that they still carry those thoughts of him from back then now, or at the very least that those thoughts still kind of remain but changed and altered wildly from back then. After all, Pearl doesn't seem interested in ripping out Steven's Gemstone in the present, does she?

Do keep in mind that this is all just headcanons, thoughts and theories I've come up with from my time watching SU, and that I'm probably wrong on more than one accounts.

Guys… I'm really fucking scared.

The outros this season have been getting more and more unnerving. At first it was just ominous silence, then weird sound effects came along. They are pretty menacing by themselves.

But listen to this:

Someone on /sug/ noted that the whale/dolphin-like screeching sound effect near the end sounds like someone's distorted voice crying out Steven's name. I'm now convinced that it's true, and that the voice most likely belongs to Pearl.

And this realization is legit sending shivers down my spine and makes me physically feel cold. Like, holy shit, this is so unnerving.

^
If I may, I would like to give my thoughts on this.

Y'know, after watching the latest episode (Three Games and a Baby), I took that noise of the end credits with the same thoughts I've had since it started being unnervingly eerie: with absolute uncertainty, oblivious of the existence of the "voice" since Gem Harvest. So, I watched the video to make sure and… well, jesus fucking christ, I think I can hear it too. In fact, and if my ears do not deceive me, I believe I heard it like eight times in a row before slowly fading away and being abruptly cut by the end of the video.

We're 10 episodes in season 4 and, overall, I want to say that this might as well be the “saga of peace”: we've had chill, mostly optimistic episodes with brief symptoms of… how'd I call this? Melancholy (I personally like to think that the incident of Mindful Education was a mere prelude for what's coming).

But, the thing I want to say is, I feel like we're being prepared. We're being tucked in our warm beds while we're being told that everything is going to be alright. Yes… but for how long? For how long this time of tranquility will last? That’s the important question because when the time comes, I will dare to say that nobody will ever be ready. I know I won’t: I will see the inevitable announcement of the upcoming episodes and will react with excitement; I will watch them, my heart will be horrendously crushed and time will do the rest.

@Necromagenvion

Your post made me think of something.

You know how Dragon Ball Z had all those filler episodes – like with Goku and Piccolo learning to drive when they were training to fight the androids? They were kind of stupid, but I liked them as a kid, and I recently figured out why. The main story almost never shows us the characters in their down time, and indeed most of the characters have no down time. They're all either training or fighting, their lives are nothing but conflict, and so when an enemy comes there is little tranquility to be lost. This isn't like Odysseus, who spends his time at war and at sea wishing to be quietly at home with his family. When an enemy shows up, the characters are nervous – but energized. Because they finally have a chance to use their training. But the only exception here is Gohan, who actually puts a life together that isn't all about fighting and killing things, and those filler episodes. And their calmness gives the show stakes: it gives the characters something to lose.

So that's why we're having all of these chilled out episodes between major arcs. Lapis and Peridot espically needed some down time and a chance to form relationships and put down roots. It creates something good for the villains to threaten. Because hurting a character is easy, but crushing one is takes preparation. You have to make them happy for a while first – which is what I think we've been seeing here.

@Platus not that your point is invalid, but DBZ filler is solely in there so the anime doesn't catch the manga.

I don't remember if I posted my opinion of the matter in this thread or not, but I feel the "filler" episodes are there to show Steven having a human life. Steven is half-gem, half-human, and in stories that deal with half-human, half-something else, you almost never see that person have to balance both their worlds, usually they are just thrust into the non-human world unsuspectingly and their human half ends up being a handicap they have to overcome.

With Steven Universe, the main character experiences the worlds of both his halves, meaning he's not just a Gem warrior with a handicap, but someone who is both Gem and Human. The fact that the show addresses the alienation of such a status and the stress trying to balance both worlds makes Steven stand out from the half-breeds who are only half-breeds so to bring the story to our setting.

You get the tense and action filled life of a Gem and the fun, relaxing life of a Human experienced by the same character, and you even have him bring others to the other world to, bringing Connie into the Gem's world and the Gem's into the Human's world. While I agree the Gem stories are much more interesting than the Human stories, I feel people are to quick to dismiss them without realizing why they are their to begin with.

@Ryumaru Borike

I wasn't so much talking about the intent of the episodes as the effect they had. Obviously the motivations for having the more low-key episodes in SU is going to be different, since there's no manga to stay ahead of. And I think they're doing a much better job of giving breathing space and worldbuilding than in DBZ.

Sure it's a double post, but my last one was 25 days ago so whatever.

Anyway, it looks like CN fucked up again and accidentally leaked an entire Steven Bomb. It can be found here (spoilers, obviously) and I looked at them juuust enough to verify that the videos linked there contain new footage to make sure that this is legit. (I only saw two seconds of one episode, but Jesus Mudwrestling Christ were they consequential. The sacrifices I make for you guys . . .)

Honestly, I'm kind of bummed. One of the best parts of a Steven Bomb is the slow tension buildup you get as major plot points get fired at you one after another, and now we've lost that. The choice as it stands is between just binging the lot of them right away, or spend the next couple of weeks trying not to get spoiled – which on this site is basically impossible. So yeah, fuck whoever did this, and fuck the horse they rode on.

Fuck this. Fuck everything. I know full well I won't be able to wait until the 30 of January to watch this while the entire internet is going to spoiler me and ruin my fun, so it's better to watch it all right now.

Fuck you CN, how are you still even able to run a business with such blatant unprofessionalism?

Do you think it's possible that we'll never get through a steven bomb without it being spoiled by poorly managed websites run by this cable network station?

…maybe this could explain some things?

I had spoilers/leaks as much as the next guy, but maybe there's a chance CN knows what they're doing this time?

UPDATE: Nevermind.

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Ok first, Yes, I already watched the episodes. I have poor impulse control and I also live in Venezuela so I can't aid ratings until it airs in my country in like a year.
second…


I was watching "Steven's Dream" again, and noticed one thing: Before picking up Greg, Blue Diamond referred to it as "perhaps I can save one last piece of her (Pink Diamond's) legacy" and then the huge, unlikely but very attractive idea popped up in my mind: what if gems aren't humanoid? What if actually humans are gem-like instead? What if humans are actually the product of PD's interference on earth?
Maybe I'm reaching out too far, but hey, coming up with wild theories likes this is part of the fun of being in a fandom.

Tentacles wrote:

Ok first, Yes, I already watched the episodes. I have poor impulse control and I also live in Venezuela so I can't aid ratings until it airs in my country in like a year.
second…


I was watching "Steven's Dream" again, and noticed one thing: Before picking up Greg, Blue Diamond referred to it as "perhaps I can save one last piece of her (Pink Diamond's) legacy" and then the huge, unlikely but very attractive idea popped up in my mind: what if gems aren't humanoid? What if actually humans are gem-like instead? What if humans are actually the product of PD's interference on earth?
Maybe I'm reaching out too far, but hey, coming up with wild theories likes this is part of the fun of being in a fandom.
That theory would explain the existence of the Zoo a little better, since it was originally under Pink Diamond's ownership. Humans could be a part of Pink Diamond's legacy, and the Zoo would be an extension of that legacy.
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Wightprincess wrote:

That theory would explain the existence of the Zoo a little better, since it was originally under Pink Diamond's ownership. Humans could be a part of Pink Diamond's legacy, and the Zoo would be an extension of that legacy.
That's exactly what I meant: That Humans are Pink Diamond's legacy.
Last edited Jan 04, 2017 at 07:53PM EST

It was amazing, and, alongside Three Gems and a Baby, by far the best thing to come out of Season 4 so far.

In the beginning, however, I really didn't like Steven's behaviour. Going all "I don't care what you say, I want to see it right now" doesn't really fell like Steven. He is better than this. Of course, the Gems are not always in the right, but, you know, if you are a child and the adults are telling you not to do something, there is usually a very good reason for this and you should probably listen to them. I mean, this isn't just some silly domestic matter. Amidst all the wacky adventures it's easy to forget that what we are actually dealing with here is the aftermath of a deadly global war and alien artifacts of the people who were going to wipe the Earth out… Oh well, that's teenagehood for you, I guess.

I was glad to see Andy again. But going all the way from the Atlantic US coast to Korea in a small biplane? Wouldn't that take many days, if not weeks, and involve numerous stops on the way? With Greg's money it would be more efficient (and comfortable) to just get two tickets on a regular modern passenger plane.

Loved that fourth wall breaking scene, with a SU animator in Korea. Can't wait to see the fans going nuts trying to explain how is it possible, like after Know Your Fusion. I say just don't think about it, and for the purpose of continuity pretend it's not there.

When Garnet told Lapis and Peridot to protect the town while she and the others were gone, their reaction was "You can count on us!" Suuuure you can. The next episode after the bomb better be about Lapis and Peridot's adventures on Earth while Steven and the CGs are gone. Like trying to save Beach City but failing horribly. In the end Steven, Greg and the CGs return from the Zoo and find the town on fire, or drowned, or most likely both. I know I'm not the only one who thought of this.

It's also nice that they acknowledged the Rubies still floating in space. Garnet and Steven suggested picking them up on the way home, and I really hope they do that.

The Zoo was a very interesting location. It's great to actually see the CGs going on an off-world mission to a Homeworld outpost. As a bonus we get to see plenty of new Gem characters. I have to say, I'm not too fond of Blue Agate's design or character, but the Quartzes bunch in her service were the highlight of the Bomb for me. Curiously, their personalities are quite similar to our Amethyst's, and they are clearly not as devoted and loyal to the Diamond Authority as other Homeworld Gems we've seen so far normally are. I have no doubt we're going to see them again, joining the Crystal Gems in their struggle against Homeworld.

Same about the humans in the Zoo, they are probably going to be rescued at some point. By the way, how come they all speak English, and practically the same English as Greg and Steven? Although I guess this just boils down to "how come the Gems speak English?", which has no answer.

The reappearances of both Yellow and Blue Diamonds came as a pleasant surprise, but their Pearls even more so. And I definitely didn't expect them all to sing – and dance! That was a really sweet scene. It's very interesting to see the contrast between Yellow Diamond and Pink and Blue Diamonds. Pink and Blue admire humans, albeit in a twisted way, and Yellow wants to take revenge on both Rose's planet and her entire facet (which is really fucked up, if you think about it), while Blue can't stop feeling, well, blue, and seeks to preserve as much of the Earth as possible. Not all Diamonds are ruthless space dictators, it seems.

And we've learned that Lapises are terraformers. It was clear that our Lapis can move entire oceans of water at once, but surely terraforming means more than just relocating or removing water? What if other Lapises control other elements and substances than water?

baldarek wrote:

It was amazing, and, alongside Three Gems and a Baby, by far the best thing to come out of Season 4 so far.

In the beginning, however, I really didn't like Steven's behaviour. Going all "I don't care what you say, I want to see it right now" doesn't really fell like Steven. He is better than this. Of course, the Gems are not always in the right, but, you know, if you are a child and the adults are telling you not to do something, there is usually a very good reason for this and you should probably listen to them. I mean, this isn't just some silly domestic matter. Amidst all the wacky adventures it's easy to forget that what we are actually dealing with here is the aftermath of a deadly global war and alien artifacts of the people who were going to wipe the Earth out… Oh well, that's teenagehood for you, I guess.

I was glad to see Andy again. But going all the way from the Atlantic US coast to Korea in a small biplane? Wouldn't that take many days, if not weeks, and involve numerous stops on the way? With Greg's money it would be more efficient (and comfortable) to just get two tickets on a regular modern passenger plane.

Loved that fourth wall breaking scene, with a SU animator in Korea. Can't wait to see the fans going nuts trying to explain how is it possible, like after Know Your Fusion. I say just don't think about it, and for the purpose of continuity pretend it's not there.

When Garnet told Lapis and Peridot to protect the town while she and the others were gone, their reaction was "You can count on us!" Suuuure you can. The next episode after the bomb better be about Lapis and Peridot's adventures on Earth while Steven and the CGs are gone. Like trying to save Beach City but failing horribly. In the end Steven, Greg and the CGs return from the Zoo and find the town on fire, or drowned, or most likely both. I know I'm not the only one who thought of this.

It's also nice that they acknowledged the Rubies still floating in space. Garnet and Steven suggested picking them up on the way home, and I really hope they do that.

The Zoo was a very interesting location. It's great to actually see the CGs going on an off-world mission to a Homeworld outpost. As a bonus we get to see plenty of new Gem characters. I have to say, I'm not too fond of Blue Agate's design or character, but the Quartzes bunch in her service were the highlight of the Bomb for me. Curiously, their personalities are quite similar to our Amethyst's, and they are clearly not as devoted and loyal to the Diamond Authority as other Homeworld Gems we've seen so far normally are. I have no doubt we're going to see them again, joining the Crystal Gems in their struggle against Homeworld.

Same about the humans in the Zoo, they are probably going to be rescued at some point. By the way, how come they all speak English, and practically the same English as Greg and Steven? Although I guess this just boils down to "how come the Gems speak English?", which has no answer.

The reappearances of both Yellow and Blue Diamonds came as a pleasant surprise, but their Pearls even more so. And I definitely didn't expect them all to sing – and dance! That was a really sweet scene. It's very interesting to see the contrast between Yellow Diamond and Pink and Blue Diamonds. Pink and Blue admire humans, albeit in a twisted way, and Yellow wants to take revenge on both Rose's planet and her entire facet (which is really fucked up, if you think about it), while Blue can't stop feeling, well, blue, and seeks to preserve as much of the Earth as possible. Not all Diamonds are ruthless space dictators, it seems.

And we've learned that Lapises are terraformers. It was clear that our Lapis can move entire oceans of water at once, but surely terraforming means more than just relocating or removing water? What if other Lapises control other elements and substances than water?

I saw the terraforming aspects of the Lapises (Lapisi? Just Lapis? Questions for later.) as them eroding away rocks/sediment/soil/etc with their water powers. One big question I have after all of this is where the hell is White Diamond? Blue, Pink, and Yellow have all been seen and/or mentioned multiple times throughout the series, but nobody has ever brought up White to my knowledge. We know absolutely nothing about her. This makes me believe that she's the biggest bad of the bigger bads, so to speak. Maybe no one talks about her out of fear. Maybe I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Wallstreet Wolfman wrote:

I saw the terraforming aspects of the Lapises (Lapisi? Just Lapis? Questions for later.) as them eroding away rocks/sediment/soil/etc with their water powers. One big question I have after all of this is where the hell is White Diamond? Blue, Pink, and Yellow have all been seen and/or mentioned multiple times throughout the series, but nobody has ever brought up White to my knowledge. We know absolutely nothing about her. This makes me believe that she's the biggest bad of the bigger bads, so to speak. Maybe no one talks about her out of fear. Maybe I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist.

This actually has been spoken about for a long time. White Diamond is very likely the "main" Diamond, since she is depicted above other Diamonds on both versions of the Diamond Authority symbol

baldarek wrote:

This actually has been spoken about for a long time. White Diamond is very likely the "main" Diamond, since she is depicted above other Diamonds on both versions of the Diamond Authority symbol

Yes. Going by her mural, she's also seemingly the Diamond that controls The Gem Homeworld. No clue what she's like though, i imagine she's probally the biggest and baddest diamond. But she could actually be a lot more reasonable, at least compared to Yellow.

Alright, so, I gotta admit, I absolutely loved this bomb, and now I will share my thoughts on every episode of it:

Steven's dream: Yeah, the way Steven was being very stubborn about checking the palanquin was rather out of character, although it was definitely understandable. If you think about it, this is hardly the first time he does something like this, it's the first time he antagonizes openly the Crystal Gems about it, but it's not the first time he does something against their clear wishes because he has a strong feeling about it. A good example is back when he unbubbled Peridot; he knew the gems would oppose it, but still did it behind their backs. Unbubbling centipeetle is a different case, where he manipulated garnet into letting him try despite the fact that she didn't feel it was a good idea.

Now, onto the second important part of the episode… Blue Diamond's presence was very surprising, and her real demeanor and personality was even more surprising. Greg's immediate empathy and understanding towards BD despite the fact that he's usually freaked out by this kind of thing (and he was, before she spoke and he connected to hew words, that's it) was a very touching moment and another showing of Greg's true depth as a character. Also, [insert here joke about BD falling for the murdercock], Ok, but seriously, it was very cute (although also scary) how BD took a liking to Greg and decided he didn't deserve to die with the earth. Also, I wonder what's up with Steven literally crying BD's tears when she's close.

Adventures in light distortion: Alright, as part of the bomb, this episode fitted well, but by itself, it was kind a lackluster. Basically, we have acknowledgement of the rubies there in space (God, I really hope they pick them up next episode) Comedy, some world building (or should it be universe building? you know what I mean) about gem tech, comedy, and some drama with Steven actually acknowledging his weird behavior from last episode and regretting it. One thing that called my attention was when the gems became a tiny version of themselves, Now I'm very curious about which kind of gem has those tiny bodies and can't wait for them to show up.

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Last edited Jan 06, 2017 at 11:42AM EST
…and I feel as if a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulder.

I was really anxious about this bomb, and I had already seen a few screenshots (Blue Diamond smiling at Greg in Korea and the very inconsiderate thumbnails of the YouTube videos posted in this thread, additionally one porn image of Skinny Jasper) so to say that I was nervous was an understatement. I've always hated leaks, it's made it harder for me to watch a show, always has.

Anyway, off from personal thoughts and opinions about spoilers and onto personal thoughts and opinions about the episodes!

I liked them. I liked them a lot. The show finally went more into a direction I wanted it to go, and I personally loved seeing Steven finally asking questions. Was it out of character? I wouldn't necessarily say so, Steven's been evolving as a character slowly but surely, and I do believe that him asking more questions is a step in the right direction.

I did find it super strange how Steven cried when Blue Diamond cried. I know how Steven explained it, he was crying "her tears", and I think this is sort of an ability that Rose Quartzes had in order to understand the pain their patients went through, and if all Roses have healing tears that'd make sense. Maybe Steven could heal Blue Diamond of her pain? He might have to, if she and Yellow Diamond plans on invading Earth for their humans.

The zoo was weird. It was fucking weird. But, it was hilarious how the Amethysts were sent out to talk to the Humans about their feelings. I loved that part.

Oh, and let's not forget all the Quartzes on there. Even though we saw so little of them, I really hope we will be able to see them again soon. Hopefully the Crystal Gems will go back there and rescue them.

Tentacles wrote:

So.. Lauren Zuke made a certain post

I'm personally okay with this, but… I'm kinda worried about if she will get in trouble for being so open about this. Also, this is stupid, but I'm a bit annoyed that the magic of reading and figuring the subtext is gone.

"I don’t want to have people have to sit down and put together puzzle pieces to see if they were represented."

Well I certainly appreciate that. I mean, generally don't give a shit about authorial intent, but some people need to see this sort of thing in order to be convinced that gay people exist, so w/e.

And honestly, this isn't the kind of show I imagine people who have problems with queer relationships would want to watch anyway, so no loss.

Tentacles wrote:

So.. Lauren Zuke made a certain post

I'm personally okay with this, but… I'm kinda worried about if she will get in trouble for being so open about this. Also, this is stupid, but I'm a bit annoyed that the magic of reading and figuring the subtext is gone.

She doesn't work on the show anymore. Or at least it has been rumoured so for the last couple of months.

baldarek wrote:

She doesn't work on the show anymore. Or at least it has been rumoured so for the last couple of months.

If so, what would the post be? Her admitting that she unabashedly tried injecting her ship into the show?

Zaccharine wrote:

If so, what would the post be? Her admitting that she unabashedly tried injecting her ship into the show?

I sure hope so. And no, not just because of that bet i made. I just dislike the two getting together in general. It feels like a cheap "pair the spares" move, in a show that otherwise prides itself on well developed relations.

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