Overview

Kirsche vs. Vice Writer Ana Valens refers to controversy surrounding the publication of an article to Vice by writer Ana Valens in which she attempted to expose VTuber Kirsche for a variety of things, including alleged transphobia, spreading nazi talking points like the "Great Replacement Theory," sexism and more, ultimately attempting to get the drink brand Gamer Supps to stop sponsoring Kirsche. Kirsche later disputed these claims. The article resulted in some criticism of Kirsche, including her being dropped from her partnership with the video game Crime Boss: Rockay City. The Vice article also inspired backlash towards the writer Ana Valens as Kirsche's supporters called the article a hit piece and shared troubling allegations about her, including allegations that she has admitted to having POCD (Pedophile-Themed Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder) in the past, which she has since claimed she has overcome. Valens purportedly received many messages telling her to kill herself because of the article. As the controversy grew, Kirsche threatened to sue Vice and Valens. In response, on May 14th, 2025, Vice deleted three articles about Kirsche, including a follow-up to the original article and an article supporting Valens. Valens later deactivated many of her social media accounts in response to the controversy.

Background

Vice Article by Ana Valens

On April 21st, 2025, Vice^[1] published an article by Waypoint writer Ana Valens titled, "Why Is This ‘Gamer Supps’ VTuber Pushing the Great Replacement Theory?" The article focuses on the brand Gamer Supps' partnership with Kirsche, a VTuber who has proven controversial in the past for their, as Valens put it, "right-wing beliefs," writing, "it begs the question whether Gamer Supps will one day pull the plug on the VTuber for good."

The article goes on to list a number of moments from Kirsche's streaming career that the writer finds problematic or controversial, including an allegations that in February 2025 Kirsche made transphobic remarks on X,^[2] celebrated Twitch streamer Asmongold for saying, “Every trans kid is actually a victim of a parent with a mental illness," and noting how users of the GamerGate subreddit /r/KotakuInAction often share Kirsche's content.

The article notably calls Kische "alt-right." Valens shares a link to a video posted to X^[3] from Kirsche's stream in which she claimed the VTuber showed support for the Great Replacement Theory (shown below). The article goes on to claim that Kirsche tweeted out the ICE tipline, that she posted on X^[4] about being "happy with the mass deportations" under U.S. President Donald Trump.

The article then shares one of Kirsche's X^[5] posts from April 2025 commenting on the murder of Karmelo Anthony, writing that Kirsche "incorrectly claimed that Anthony’s family had purchased a house with online donations, a rumor which spread through right-wing social media circles before later being debunked by Snopes."^[21] The article goes on to claim that Kirsche claimed that “body cameras killed the BLM movement," sharing examples of Kirsche criticizing bodycams.

The writer claims that these mid-April posts caused many to call for Gamer Supps to drop Kirsche, noting that VTuber kaiyo dropped their partnership with the brand after the posts. Finally, the writer discusses how Kirsche retweeted a post by X user Senchou Mimikyu, who has a plush of Kirsche next to a "an enormous collection of Nazi and fascist books."

Valens goes on to detail several of Senchou's posts that suggest they have alt-right or nazi-adjacent viewpoints. The author concludes the article by writing:

While Kirsche is a political VTuber, it remains unclear if the content creator was aware of the Nazi imagery seen on the bookshelf -- or the various fascist books on display. In fact, several VTubers jumped into a lively Twitter debate about whether Kirsche had the knowledge to recognize fascist imagery at all. One German VTuber claimed she didn’t “even know” that the Iron Cross was a popular Nazi symbol. Regardless, it’s likely Kirsche is now aware of the imagery and meaning of the books shared by the retweeted user after a day’s worth of discourse on Twitter. Yet Senchou’s post remains shared on her Twitter page.

Perhaps it’s irrelevant whether Kirsche knew about the political imagery behind Senchou’s post. What matters most is how Gamer Supps feels on the matter. This is not Kirsche’s first controversy, and it likely won’t be her last. Which begs the question: Is there a line Kirsche and other content creators can cross before a partnership is threatened with the company?

Developments

Responses To Ana Valens' Article

Ana Valens' article inspired many reactions online, both in support and criticizing Valens, as it garnered attention in late April and May 2025.

For example, on April 22nd, 2025, X^[6] user @SparkysTech posted a voice clip of Valens talking about what the writer describes as "fantasizing of TERF Cisgirl Breeding Barns," garnering around 30 likes in a month.

On April 24th, X^[7] user @Pirat_Nation made a post about an article Valens wrote about people trying to get the male and female sex options put back into Oblivion: Remastered, calling those who support the chance "alt-right," garnering over 1,700 likes in a month.

On April 30th, Redditor u/EnclavedMicrostate posted a thread to the /r/VirtualYoutubers^[8] subreddit supporting the claims made by Valens and sharing links to many of the controversial things Kirsche has done, most of which are sourced from the Vice article, garnering over 2,300 upvotes in two weeks.

On May 10th, 2025, Kirsche made a post on X^[9] claiming that they were dropped from their partnership with the video game Crime Boss: Rockay City over the allegations against them, writing, "They were swayed by anonymous posts, Reddit users who admit to not watching me, people who lie by omission, and people who strawman all of my stances," garnering over 19,000 likes in five days.

On May 11th, Kirsche made another X^[10] post sharing the full context of a clip used against her regarding Asmongold, writing that it's an example of people "lying by omission" to paint her in a specific way, garnering over 4,400 likes in four days.

Also on May 11th, 2025, Valens made a post on Bluesky^[11] claiming that she's been receiving "constant calls to kill myself" after publishing the article, sharing examples of these messages and calling it a "harassment campaign."

VTubing Has an Elephant in the Room: Bigotry

On May 9th, 2025, Vice^[18] posted a second article by Valens calling out Kirsche and other VTubers for what they find to be problematic behavior. The article largely included Valens talking about the harassment she received after her first article. The article has since been deleted.

Vice's Response to Backlash

On May 12th, 2025, Vice^[12] published a now-deleted article by Dwayne Jenkins titled, "Waypoint Stands With Ana Valens." The article defends Valens from the harassment she's been getting and shows examples of that harassment, including anti-LGBTQ+ messages and calls to kill herself.

Continued Responses To Ana Valens

Following Vice's defence of Valens, criticism towards her became increasingly viral online in mid-May 2025.

For instance, on May 13th, 2025, X^[13] user @ProctorZ posted a thread of controversial takes from Valens, alleging that they admitted to having pedophilic urges and "POCD,"^[20] in a 2020 tweet (shown below), writing, "'POCD' is a quack diagnosis designed to normalise paedophilia that excuses the consumption of actual CP. It has come to be used by many former denizens of notorious paedophile-normalising communities like NAMBLA, MAP and VirPed," garnering over 3,000 likes in two days.

According to a Bluesky^[19] post by Valens criticizing the publication of this entry, she overcame her POCD "over a decade ago."

On May 14th, X^[14] user @CreamyFoxGirls posted a similar thread sharing several controversial things Valens has allegedly done, claiming she "openly fantasizes about putting biological women in rape farms," and that she allegedly "played Fall Guys, a game full of children, on stream with a vibrator in their ass set up to buzz when their character was touched by other peoples' characters, then immediately privated and deleted the VOD and article when called out." The post gained over 6,800 likes in a day. The post includes evidence to support their claims.

According to a post by Valens made to Bluesky,^[24] the "rape farms" audio was meant as a joke that expands on the contents of one of her tweets, writing that "it was parodying, satirizing, and criticizing bigoted claims about trans women being penetrative hentai-like ubertops. The goal was to create a tongue-in-cheek premise and set it out into the world."

Kirsche Threatens Legal Action / Vice Removes Articles

On May 14th, 2025, Kirsche posted a video on X^[15] of someone dressed as her avatar pasting an envelope to a door, garnering over 11,000 likes in a day. In the post they link to a Google Drive^[16] page sharing the contents of the envelope, which ends with a threat from Kirsche to pursue legal action against Vice and Valens if they "keep calling" her a "nazi."

Later that day, multiple accounts posted that Vice had removed their articles regarding Kirsche.^[17]

The document includes Kirsche's attempt to debunk, refute and respond in general to some of the claims made in the now-deleted articles. Kirsche starts by criticizing Valens for targeting her Gamer Supps partnership and "manufacturing consensus" by claiming many people have demanded they drop her, noting that Valens does not provide any sources to back this claim up.

She writes that she's never hidden her political beliefs but has also never heard of any controversy surrounding them, then criticizes Valens for using "anonymous Reddit posts" to support her claims. Kirsche then criticizes Valens' suggestion in the second article, "The Elephant In the Room," that Kirsche sent her fans to harass Valens.

She writes, "fully half of the tweets quoted in this article are from a person who goes by Nbinted or Bint, who has serially harassed me for months." Kirsche then reiterates that she is against harassment and that her fans should not harass people.

Kirsche continues and compares the incident to "2018 cancel culture" and writes, "I don’t want to go to court over this. But if you keep calling me a Nazi, and keep calling for my sponsors to drop me, what else am I supposed to do?"

Online Presence

The controversy was widely discussed online, resulting in several video essays and other forms of discourse and reactions.

On May 13th, 2025, X^[22] user @BCG_Lacerto posted a clip from Kirsche's stream in which she reads through a "magical girl forcefem siscon erotica" piece written by Valens and posted to AO3. That day, Valens made a post to Bluesky^[23] criticizing Kirsche for doing this, writing, "clearly, this is appropriate and relevant to do to a reporter. Definitely not an attempt to shame a trans woman for her sexuality," garnering over 210 likes in two days.

On May 14th, 2025, YouTuber Rev says desu posted a video on the controversy that gained over 190,000 views in under 24 hours.

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