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KYM Pony General VIII: One Pony Away From a Cease and Desist

Last posted May 19, 2022 at 09:55PM EDT. Added Jul 06, 2014 at 11:32AM EDT
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Hey Discord, remember Twilight Sparkle? Remember how you betrayed all of Equestria by joining Tirek and when he Tirekt you, stripped you of your FUCKING GOD OF CHAOS POWERS and took you hostage and probably would've done shit much worse to you after that. Remember how after all of that…..when you were used as a bargaining chip Twilight Sparkle still considered you a friend, a close enough friend that when Tirek released the other Mane 5 (and Spike!) and kept you all bubbled up she demanded that you be released as well? Remember all of that? Because the way you acted in this episode kind of seemed like a good "Oh hey Twilight, I'll get you back for forgiving me and saving my life. I know, how about I completely fuck with your head to repay you!" Seriously, that whole thing about what Discord did REALLY hurt the episode for me, and that's pretty bad when the only thing I thought the episode had going for it was a few good gags, that weren't even that good for Discord episode gags. That ending though just really made this into one of my most hated episodes at the moment (could change, but….highly doubt it).

In brighter news Pony Kind of Christmas came out and I was the creepy son of a bitch that bought a fucking Christmas Album on iTunes in early November. Really like Daniel Ingram's take on Christmas songs with Pony thrown in. Although I guess there's a song sung by a character that hasn't appeared in the show yet….I didn't particularly like that song. But surprisingly I love Spike's little song on the album as Cathy Weseluck goes on to show that she's criminally underrated. I'd recommend this album to people who love spaghetti spilling out of their pockets when they play this album at a Christmas Party with a group of people who don't even know what a "Brony" is.

I read an MLP crackfic last night. It's about John Cena being summoned to Equestria to pulverize Queen Chrysalis during the Canterlot wedding. The fic was so stupid and funny that I loved it. And it even made on top of the featured list (I had to filter out the Mature rating, though).

Read the fanfic here.

Man, with the season ending in a few weeks all I can say is…..this second half of the season is somewhere in between "Meh" and "Just flat out sucks". Okay fine, it's just closer to "Meh". I mean hell when this season first started up until the 13th episode I thought the season was turning into one of the best seasons, there were duds like Appleoosa's Most Wanted but episodes like Amending Fences were good enough to outshine the duds. But then the second half….Yeah I'm not too crazy about it. Crusaders of the Lost Mark, The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows (seriously, I like that title just because of the fact that it works as a good synopsis for the episode as well!), Heathbreakers and one of those Rarity episodes were good but the other big chunk of episodes?

Oh well, at least next week's episode is an Amy Keating Rogers episode and she can't do much wrong in this show…..which is bad because it's her LAST episode. I noticed while looking at the episode list that after the hiatus Denny Lu took over as director of the second half of the season….I should give him a little bit of a warning as I can see other bronies with the same opinion as me making him the most hated person on the show because of this. Also noticed how they seem to have gotten rid of Merriwether Williams…kinda hope they just M.A. Larson'd her this season and she'll be back Season 6, she was definitely getting better.

Oh what are my thoughts on this episode? Twilibeetus and Fluttershy being cute as well, but goddamn that episode was just so……Well, I have a problem with very ugly character designs. Oh and the episode just wasn't that interesting, like I was actually waiting for this episode to end. Not a fan.

/endoverlycriticalpost. I've become a monster.

Well, for me it goes…


*1-2 I loved this opener, nice to see a change in pace, but opening so not counting in final score
*3 Ok
*4 Applebloom Inception BWAAAAA Great episode
*5 Ok
*6 Meh
*7 Discord episodes continue to deliver, Great episode
*8 Meh-Ok not that much of a Gilda fan
*9 Yes, pander to me, pander to me more!! Great but kinda cheating
*10 Meh, felt lesson was poorly handled
*11 Meh
*12 Good
*13 Good, but Dat Animation!!
Part 2
*14 Meh
*15 Dear god I can't take Noir, I think this is the first episode I could not complete, but that's more with personal taste than quality of episode.
*16 Ok, Applejack + Rarity always good combination, but plot wasn't too interesting
*17 Cringy Crossdressing joke is Cringy, wasted perfectly good oppurtunity for Big Mac to be himself for his own episode
*18 Ok, MMM part 2, at least the CMC get to move on
*19 Ok, Shining Armor being a dork scene was great, needs more of that
*20 I liked this one, Pinkies sisters are the best
*21 Also good
*22 Meh, first discord episode to disappoint me
*23 Meh again

Final score
Part 1 of Season 5 – 3 Great 2 Good 2.5 Ok 3.5 Meh, no bombs
Part 2 of Season 5 – 2 Good 3 OK 3 Meh, 1 cringe, 1 God I fucking hate Noir
Part 1 for me had more good episodes while part 2 has really only 2 I really liked, but also had 2 I didn't like

Last edited Nov 14, 2015 at 06:04PM EST

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

Well, for me it goes…


*1-2 I loved this opener, nice to see a change in pace, but opening so not counting in final score
*3 Ok
*4 Applebloom Inception BWAAAAA Great episode
*5 Ok
*6 Meh
*7 Discord episodes continue to deliver, Great episode
*8 Meh-Ok not that much of a Gilda fan
*9 Yes, pander to me, pander to me more!! Great but kinda cheating
*10 Meh, felt lesson was poorly handled
*11 Meh
*12 Good
*13 Good, but Dat Animation!!
Part 2
*14 Meh
*15 Dear god I can't take Noir, I think this is the first episode I could not complete, but that's more with personal taste than quality of episode.
*16 Ok, Applejack + Rarity always good combination, but plot wasn't too interesting
*17 Cringy Crossdressing joke is Cringy, wasted perfectly good oppurtunity for Big Mac to be himself for his own episode
*18 Ok, MMM part 2, at least the CMC get to move on
*19 Ok, Shining Armor being a dork scene was great, needs more of that
*20 I liked this one, Pinkies sisters are the best
*21 Also good
*22 Meh, first discord episode to disappoint me
*23 Meh again

Final score
Part 1 of Season 5 – 3 Great 2 Good 2.5 Ok 3.5 Meh, no bombs
Part 2 of Season 5 – 2 Good 3 OK 3 Meh, 1 cringe, 1 God I fucking hate Noir
Part 1 for me had more good episodes while part 2 has really only 2 I really liked, but also had 2 I didn't like

You're telling me you hate noir?

But nobody hates noir!

Platus wrote:

You're telling me you hate noir?

But nobody hates noir!

I don't think it's a bad style or that Noir things are bad or can't be great, but personally, I can't watch them, I posted a longer post earlier about my feelings towards it (it's the Page get of Page 61 if you're interested)

Just be glad I am a person who knows the difference between what's bad and what I don't personally like.

I'm with the few people above me regarding Season 5.
There are a few episodes i've liked this season, but majority of this season hasn't been appealing to me, and most of this does come from the second half.

I liked a few episodes so far out of the whole season:
The Cutie Map, Amending Fences, Crusaders of the Lost Mark, Slice of Life, and Make New Friends but Keep Discord.

The episodes I've personally disliked:
Party Pooped (those yaks just tick me off)
Appleoosa's Most Wanted (pretty sure this is on everyone's list for that)
The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows (unlike a lot of people, Pinkie Pie just annoys the shit out of me in this. How hard is it to keep a secret, even if it's that big?)
Scare Master (I just felt Fluttershy was way to paranoid about the event, even by her own standards)
What About Discord? (Twilight does come off as annoying in this. Toy Story handled this jealousy plotline better.)

Other than those, the rest of the season is just not that memorable to me.
Also, anyone else feel that Season 5 has been more pander-y than other seasons? It's honestly feeling lazy for me.

I'm sorry for this being such a long post, but I'm starting to feel like Season 5 is my least favorite season of the show. I'm actually amazed because this show has had a good track record for me regarding seasonal quality.

Rylade475 wrote:

I'm with the few people above me regarding Season 5.
There are a few episodes i've liked this season, but majority of this season hasn't been appealing to me, and most of this does come from the second half.

I liked a few episodes so far out of the whole season:
The Cutie Map, Amending Fences, Crusaders of the Lost Mark, Slice of Life, and Make New Friends but Keep Discord.

The episodes I've personally disliked:
Party Pooped (those yaks just tick me off)
Appleoosa's Most Wanted (pretty sure this is on everyone's list for that)
The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows (unlike a lot of people, Pinkie Pie just annoys the shit out of me in this. How hard is it to keep a secret, even if it's that big?)
Scare Master (I just felt Fluttershy was way to paranoid about the event, even by her own standards)
What About Discord? (Twilight does come off as annoying in this. Toy Story handled this jealousy plotline better.)

Other than those, the rest of the season is just not that memorable to me.
Also, anyone else feel that Season 5 has been more pander-y than other seasons? It's honestly feeling lazy for me.

I'm sorry for this being such a long post, but I'm starting to feel like Season 5 is my least favorite season of the show. I'm actually amazed because this show has had a good track record for me regarding seasonal quality.

Here are my favorite episodes of season 5:

-The Cutie Maps parts 1 and 2
-Castle Sweet Castle
-Tanks for the Memories
-Slice of Life
-Amending Fences
-Do Princesses Dream of Electric Sheep?
-Brotherhooves Social
-Crusaders of the Lost Mark
-The One Where Pinkie Pie Knows

Season 5's episodes may not be good overall, but there are bits and moments in each of the episodes that I liked, especially:

S05 E22- The various references that the episode had, including "Back to the Future".
S05 E21- The unexpected anime references.
S05 E20- Marble Pie scenes!
S05 E11, S05 E12, S05 E19- Various Pinkie Pie shenanigans.
S05 E07- Maud Pie burning Discord.
S05 E03- The destroyed Golden Oaks Library….
S05 E08- Return of Gilda
S05 E16- Return of Coco Pommel, even though the episode focused mostly on Rarity and Applejack.
S05 E15- Rarity booping Rainbow Dash on the nose with a sunscreen.

The only episodes I did not enjoy were "Appleoosa's Most Wanted" (though the events in that episode was significant before the CMC got their cutie marks in "Crusaders of the Lost Mark"), "Princess Spike", "Party Pooped", and "What About Discord?".

I really can't tell if it's Season 5 being genuinely worse or if I'm just starting to enjoy pony less, but I'm really just not liking this season. There have been a bunch of good episodes, but lately most of them have been just meh. There were only a couple that were truly really bad, though:

  • Princess Spike: Incredibly cliche and predictable, all the way through. There was absolutely nothing funny, interesting, or enjoyable to be found here. Probably the worst episode of the series.
  • Canterlot Boutique: Same as above, and the first episode of the series I didn't want to watch all the way through. I looked up a synopsis to make sure I didn't miss anything interesting in the end and, sure enough, it went exactly where I was expecting. It doesn't help that I personally don't like Rarity much.
  • What About Discord?: Not much I can say about this that hasn't already been said. Really cringey and unfunny, especially since it was looking like it was going to be one of the really good ones before it aired.

The last three episodes sound great, though. Hopefully the season can get its act together.

Dear god I can’t take Noir


The man waltzed into my office, like he owned the place. (Not that I did, either, but that was beside the point.) He looked lanky and toothy, kind of like a lamprey wearing a Nazi hat. He started ramblin' to me about the cartoon horse show. He went on so long I started to space out, until he said something shocking.

"Dear god I can’t take Noir"

He'd obviously gone crazy. Who wouldn't enjoy the intriguing mystery, classy narration, and vaguely Prohibition-era aesthetic of film noir? I told him to get outta my office.

"Also, anyone else feel that Season 5 has been more pander-y than other seasons? It’s honestly feeling lazy for me."
I wouldn't say lazy as I'm a fan of pandering but I found the pandering in Do Princesses Dream of Electric Sheep to be worse than Slice of Life. I mean Slice of Life had a good reason to Pander as how many cartoons make it to 100 episodes? On top of that it was fun, Derpy gets some love compared to her 4 lines in season 2 THAT GOT CENSORED, Lyra and Bon Bon! Then of course Cranky and Matilda get married……Oh, and can't forget about one of the only interactions between Celestia and Luna.

But then DPDES (god they could've picked a reference that rolled off the tongue better) comes along and it starts off fine with the only bit of pandering being "LUNA EPISODE! FDHJDFHDSHGSHDKJHG" but once they combine the dreams together it turns into pandering because…..pandering! I wouldn't have a problem with it if it wasn't for the fact that it just felt off. Applejack and Rainbow Dash turn into Power Ponies (because that episode was a fan favorite am I right? With the fact that Power Ponies was probably the only episode of the first chunk of Season 4 to get actual advertising FOR A WHOLE FOUR MONTHS BEFORE THE EPISODE AIRED and basically got a "Meh" from the fans.) Fluttershy turns into Flutterbat because of course nobody would stop talking about Flutterbat for at least a month after that episode aired, no offense to Flutterbat fans. Then it just kept going. Also, Anime ponies from Scare Master was kinda cringe worthy for me.

Even after all that I still don't even think the season is "Bad" I just think that the second half of season 5 has been worth waking up early for, because IMO Season 3 is still the worst season to me. Like I said, 13 episodes plus the three I've liked from the second half (and I'm still waiting for AKR's final episode and the finale as I'll most likely like those) is still a better average than the one episode I like of season 3 compared to the other 12 (and guess which episode that is! I bet Mr. Parrot knows.)

All in all, I'm still wanting to find out why this Denny Lu guy has taken over the show. Did Jayson and Big Jim just step down? Or is this the first step of Discovery Family Channel's hostile take over of My Little Pony? GODDAMMIT I JUST WANT TO BELIEVE IN A CONSPIRACY FOR ONCE! Also, I want to see if he is temporary and they're just waiting for a new director or if he's here to stay. Because as much as I want to believe in a conspiracy I don't want to draw connections to "Denny Lu becomes the new director as the show drops harshly in quality" here, maybe this is a job for /mlp/.

Oh, you guys are just frown factories because you got spoiled so much by the first half. Or maybe you're not, iunno, I don't know your lives. Serously though guys, we've had some great stuff this season – seriously great stuff. The last three or so episodes, I'll agree, were a little lacking, but the next one should be great, and I'm sure the finale will be as well.

I've been rewatching a lot of episodes along with a friend (and some blind reactors), and it can be easy to forget that there were some pretty big mistakes in the first 2 seasons that would absolutely kill an episode nowadays, but for whatever reason were okay back then. Plus there were like EIGHT episodes in the last 14 episodes of season 4 that I would regard as pretty decently forgettable. Plus like Yoshi says, a LOT of these lackluster episodes still offer something pretty great.

Maybe I'm just riding off the high of a bunch of cool new headcanons that I don't know what to do with, but try to look at the bright side guys. And if that doesn't work, look at the backside instead. It'll tide you over.

Last edited Nov 15, 2015 at 03:10AM EST

If there are any Avatar: The Last Airbender lovers out here they'd understand what I mean by this image:
Yeah I think this is mlp's equivalent episode for that. I used to think Over the Barrel was one mlp episode that felt most similar to the Great Divide, but the formula of this week's episode is nearly spot on with that. And that's not really a good thing considering The Great Divide is one of the most lackluster episodes in the whole series, agreed by both fans and creators alike.

Some things I actually did like (if it weren't for these I would have rated the episode lower):

  • I'm sort of glad and put-off at the same time how the show essentially showed us that there really are pony settlements in Equestria that are disconnected and outdated from the outside world.
  • Twilight's magic is always a fun thing to see
  • New place, although there's not much there besides deciduous trees

@S5 Bitterness

I still think S5 has redeeming qualities. If it didn't and if SU wasn't on hiatus right now… I would have dropped the show by now. I was already thinking of getting off the pony hype train by the Tank Hibernation and Trouble Shoes episodes, there were some fun episodes like Make New Friends but Keep Discord, The Legend of Griffonstone the Gilda episode that showed the awesome new land of Griffonstone complete with historical background of the kingdom, not to mention the opener -- The Cutie Map -- was really really fun and well put together, but for the most part I felt that the other less-than-stellar episode were really off-putting, and the direction of the show definitely felt like it changed; this hit me during Party Pooped.

But…

Then we got consecutive great episodes like

  • Amending Fences -- Almost feels like the show never forgot its roots
  • Do Princess Dream of Magic Sheep -- A well done climatic mid-season all-out war before the hiatus kind of episode
  • Friendship Games -- This thread is filled with brones that didn't really like the EqG series even after Rainbow Rocks, but I'm one of those fans that absolutely adore Rainbow Rocks and truly enjoyed Friendship Games and Sunset's role as protagonist in it.
  • Crusaders of The Lost Mark -- One of the most loved episodes this season, even if in truth, the cutie mark designs could have possible been more better, and if they got their cutie marks individually, but yeah it's still amazing

These episodes plus a few great ones like The One Where Pinkie Knows and Hearthbreakers convinced me to stay for the ride for now… At least until SU comes back, which, if I recall my sources right, would come along when S5 ends.


Also I've developed a small headcanon as to why Discord, despite his clear omniscience in various times in the show (knowing who the mane 6 are and what elements they possess, eating the pages of Twilight's book with a spell that could harm him), fails to foresee certain things, such as the in-joke the Mane 6 shared, and the giant worm-thing in Three's a Crowd with the giant flower. First, Discord can't read minds (not really new; it's a fair assumption that I think has been said by many wondering how far does Discord's knowledge of his surroundings go), and second, Harmony disrupts Discord's omniscience. Notice how Discord absolutely dislikes it when ponies (think of Fluttershy and Tree Hugger) get along. He turns bitter and upset, and it's usually in these instances do things catch him off guard. Three's a Crowd is a good example where he perfectly foreshadowed his friendship with Twilight up until Cadence and Twilight began getting along, yet when the giant worm sprouted up from the ground, it surprised him. Discord getting owned by Maud during the Gala is also a good example.

I don't assume the writers thought of this when writing the episodes or Discord's character, but that's why it's called a headcanon.

Last edited Nov 15, 2015 at 03:54AM EST

@Episode
5.5/10. Thoroughly meh. Didn't really do much with the standard Hatfield/McCoy plot and it really wasted a good worldbuilding opportunity by only showing a single valley between two hills instead of a whole region or town. The plot resolution seemed pretty weak. Fighting for decades and it's all fixed in five minutes by some happy bunnies. The characterization of the hicks was pretty decent, as was the character design, but Twilight's suffered. I worry she's getting flanderized a bit. She's not just "Books!" and "Peer Reviewed Friendship Studies!"

@Season Quality
There's been a couple stinkers (last week's, the Rarity Noir one, etc.), but every season has that. There's some really good ones, most are average/meh, and there's some really bad ones. It's been like that since people first complained about Feeling Pinkie Keen and Polsky become the original "bad" writer.

Platus said:

But nobody hates noir!

I do. Like RPGs, it's not a genre that appeals to me in the slightest. Especially since the "mystery" plot can be done so much better without the need for grainy filters and cheesy accents.

Rylade475 said:

Also, anyone else feel that Season 5 has been more pander-y than other seasons? It’s honestly feeling lazy for me.

If Slice of Life didn't convince you of that, nothing will. It's why I really hate the episode. Instead of a really cool Lower Decks episode about a regular day in Ponyville, we got all this useless fandom crap that you can already see in the fanimations and fanfics. I watch the show for the show, if I wanted fandom junk and headcanons, I'd go read through Fimfiction's Featured Box, which currently has an anthro fetish clopfic about "hyper pregnancy."

And I thought my bat pony clopfic had weird fetishes in it.

I gotta say, of all the people I expected to try to alleviate the season 5 concerns, you were not one of them, xTSGx. I don't know why this surprises me though. You've always been harder to please than me, but I guess being more critical adds a little more perspecitve, huh?


Speaking of being hard to please, there's something I'd like to complain about regarding a lot of Fanworks recently: Tell me, what do all these things have in common? That's right, unnecessary f**king Fluffle Puff cameos!

Does this sort of thing piss anyone else off? Not just Fluffle Puff (though Fluffle Puff is the worst offender), but shoving any non-canon character into a fanwork that's otherwise filled with nothing but canon characters? That sort of thing frustrates me endlessly, like I'm supposed to just accept the OC as part of the canon world. I wanna know if it's just me.


Finally, have a grumpy but super pretty pony.

Last edited Nov 17, 2015 at 08:00AM EST

I like Fluffle's silliness so it doesn't bother me that much (at least it isn't Snowdrop, Nyx or… a Trollface cloud) but i understand your point, i think it kind of breaks the impression that it is the same Equestria we watch in the show.


Have an animu horse

Last edited Nov 17, 2015 at 09:07AM EST

Ever since I watched Hearthbreakers, I immediately found Limestone Pie as one of my favorite characters, heck, I'd go as far as to say she's my favorite of the Pie family. Is it because I like grumpy characters without being necessarily super embittered? I guess, but characters having that kind of personality simply have my attention for some reason.

^Ambient is still in its Alpha, and while it has some quirks that need ironing out, I am actually really excited. As a lore lover I can't wait to see the story, as a gamer, I can already tell the controls are going to be fantastic. The aesthetics look breathtaking, animation and voice-acting is all that needs some work on.

It's most likely going to get C&D by Hasbro kinda like Fighting is Magic tho

I can't say that i'm excited for it but i'm curious to see where this is going. I think this one is safer than Fighting is Magic or JanAnimations were because they aren't exact copies of the show's assets, Hasbro doesn't own 3D pastel horses (see Filly Funtasia) even if they kinda look like young Celestia and Luna with clothes, the only real legal mistake i saw so far is the Trademark infringement with Starswirl's name.

Aw man I was gone for so long. So many great episodes, every one of them surprised me in some way. Still the same old clumsy DHX, but at least they tried.

And Ambient? I really wish it's not some cliched piece. I know bronies are way better than that.

One of the more interesting nuances of our copyright system is that, while you can't outright steal someone else's character, you can make a poorly-disguised duplicate of them and get away with it nearly every time.

Take Solid Snake, for example. He's obviously a carbon copy of Snake Plissken from Escape from New York, but the MGS guys can get away with it because he's technically a unique character. Not-Luna and Not-Celestia are the same thing; they're technically unique characters, despite being blatant copies of preexisting characters.

They might even be able to get away with Starswirl. IIRC, Hasbro has trademarked the name "Star Swirl the Bearded," so there's a possibility not using that exact phrase could protect them. That said, though, it probably would be safest for the devs to just omit all mention of him entirely.

Excuse me for not posting in the last two weeks… I only just got round to watching both new episodes… And a new one is coming out, what? Today? Tommorow?

I blame the fact a couple of games I like came out with updates recently. (Though I don't have anyone to play them with.)

In any case, while I have surprisingly little to say about "discord had a shenanigans day", I have at least one thing to say about "Colt's Family Feud"

I was really expecting a kind of Romeo+Juliet thing here… Except instead it goes over what feels like an old and overused parable that I am not aware of the origins of… But whatever the case, feels kind of cliche.

I actually wish they had gone the Romeo/Juliet route… Compared to how the whole feud plot is done now days, the Romeo and Juliet take on it is practically origional. AND ITS SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS OLD!

Though granted, maybe I just have some subtle problems with the modern incarnation of the trope. Such as the fact that it always ends up a fight over literally nothing, or the fact that once the truth comes to light everything is "magically" solved like some deus ex machina compared to previous attempts, and the idea that the reason they're fighting even matters at all, and the fact its always outsiders trying to solve other people's problems rather than someone already part of that comunity, and the idea that not even a single member of the feuding families seem to have gotten sick of fighting.

I think when it comes down to it, the only redeeming part about the modern takes on two families fighting, is the idea that the two families just plain like fighting… But that idea is ruined once you suggest that they also HATE each other! If they actually like fighting, then they should be thankful that the other family exists so that they can have someone to fight at all! But no, apparently they always "hate" each other, rather than just being two groups of cavilier rivals making light of their battles and playing it cool when not fighting.

Le sigh

Maybe I'm just disapointed.

… Heck, maybe I'm just disappointed with the ending of that episode for being lackluster.

Ironically that's the opposite situation to the Discord Episode, because no matter how lackluster and groan worthy the bulk of the episode was… At least the ending was satisfying. Which more than made up for the earlier part of the episode being an exercise in achieving absolutely nothing.

Ergh… I need sleep… Maybe I'll have a different oppinion when I wake up… Or after I watch the episode coming out today or tommorow.

The Cute Master :3 wrote:

Well…I'm behind at least 3 episodes now, but……WAT???

>preview clip features Lena Hall pony singing a generic pop song
>synopsis states that "the singer's manager does not have her best interests at heart"
>animatic clip, presumably from the end of the episode, features a more traditional song from Lena Hall pony, which is portrayed as superior judging from character reactions

Please, please, PLEASE don't go where I think this is going and go all "le wrong generation" on us, show. I still have some faith in you left.

I won't judge the episode before it's aired, but I'm already not feeling great about it. Hopefully it will defy by expectations.

Snickerway wrote:

>preview clip features Lena Hall pony singing a generic pop song
>synopsis states that "the singer's manager does not have her best interests at heart"
>animatic clip, presumably from the end of the episode, features a more traditional song from Lena Hall pony, which is portrayed as superior judging from character reactions

Please, please, PLEASE don't go where I think this is going and go all "le wrong generation" on us, show. I still have some faith in you left.

I won't judge the episode before it's aired, but I'm already not feeling great about it. Hopefully it will defy by expectations.

>Lena Hall

Oh shit! I forgot about her. Cool beans!

Snickerway ⚣ said:

Please, please, PLEASE don’t go where I think this is going and go all “le wrong generation” on us, show. I still have some faith in you left.

If anything, I'd say a plot like that would more mirror Canterlot Boutique then "it's the kids who are wrong." You have someone who's pushed into doing the "popular" or more lucrative thing rather than something that she loves.

I've only watched the episode once right now but I really want to splurge on it before I have a second go to digest it properly. So… have some comments:

  • Tiny detail: The pony holding the checklist for AJ at the beginning was the second most organized pony in Ponyville until Twilight Sparkle arrived. She made her appearance in the 100th episode for those who can't recall and her role right now is as fitting as ever.
  • I'm really impressed with our guest star in this episode. Her singing is just amazing. Her first song in AJ's flashback already blew me away. Also notice how AJ already has her cutie mark here yet RD didn't have her cutie mark yet when she met Gilda in the GriffinStone episode.
  • Oh my Goodness. Seeing ponies play guitars just ain't right.
  • Rainbows are spicy, so I'm guessing water imported from Rainbow Falls have a hint of spiciness in them too, kinda like Chai tea. They really went out with the lore on the imports here.
  • Rara's voice was autotuned by unicorn magic. That's a nifty way to get out of the schizo tech trap, but I'd rather see more unique pony technology, which I will soon mention later.
  • Rara's manager is an Earth pony antagonist. There isn't a lot of those in mlp, with Sury, The Mane-iac (who is fictional) and Diamond Tiara (and Silver Spoon) the only ones coming to mind.
  • I love how the apple peelers and de-corers were designed for pony usage. Couldn't they have fixed the guitar though
  • Twilight is paving the way to Fallout Equestria technology: Where magic can be used to record previously seen events and eventually stored in Memory Orbs, and voice magnification can be done by magic than microphones.
  • Pony piano keys are much larger to accommodate for their hooves.
  • Also, just like in Rainbow Rocks, the instruments that are playing in the final song absolutely match the tune of the music and I absolutely adore it when animators go through that trouble.

This was a good episode to hype me up for the finale. Oh I wonder what'll happen now.

Last edited Nov 21, 2015 at 12:02PM EST

Snickerway wrote:

>preview clip features Lena Hall pony singing a generic pop song
>synopsis states that "the singer's manager does not have her best interests at heart"
>animatic clip, presumably from the end of the episode, features a more traditional song from Lena Hall pony, which is portrayed as superior judging from character reactions

Please, please, PLEASE don't go where I think this is going and go all "le wrong generation" on us, show. I still have some faith in you left.

I won't judge the episode before it's aired, but I'm already not feeling great about it. Hopefully it will defy by expectations.

Yeah no, pretty sure this was just more like "The Music industry itself is just plain awful" and just making fun of the fact that decent singers will be turned into divas that for some reason can sing very well but someone insists on auto tuning their voices (seriously, there are so many real life inspirations for that….) I mean I couldn't help but at the unicorn using magic to autotune her voice. Nothing really supporting the "I'm only 12 but I love this old people music!" Youtubers, just more supporting the pure and plain awfulness of the music industry of today (ah who am I kidding, it's always been like this!). I just kind of wish we got to see the Producers instead of the Manager, the manager was so cartoonishly evil for someone with the description of "Guy who manages a popstar" to the point where I REALLY wanted to see the Producers and how cartoonishly evil the show would've made them "Why would you want to SING with the school fillies when their blood does wonders for my skin?"

On the episode itself, AKR/10. Nice episode for her to go out on that's for sure cementing her status as "Above average to great" all in all. I'll miss her take on writing episodes, I bet even after finding out she didn't have to do it she sent Daniel Ingram 'demos' of the songs from the episode to show him how she wanted the song to go. Only part I wasn't a fan of was the whole "Whaaaat, you claim the pop music manager is bad? Never! Guess we aren't friends any-Oh….you were right." thing. Just kind of went too fast for my taste, but it's a small detail that I won't use to hold down the episode. NOW ONTO THE SEASON FINALE!

You know it's a big deal because I'm surprised Discovery Family Channel didn't just take the ad showing Canterlot Boutique, Rarity Investigates and Scare master and replace the usual voice over with "Next week on the Season finale of My Little Pony!" in that phoned in voice.

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@ep

It wasn't as bad as I was expecting. While there was still a hint of "MODERN MUSIC IS SHIT WAAAH" in the mix that was impossible to ignore, it didn't dominate the episode. However, it still wasn't that good an episode, IMO.

I can agree with TSG in his comparison to Canterlot Boutique in that both eps fell into the same pitfalls. They both had awkward pacing and went in incredibly predictable directions. On top of that, the new episode had an incredibly obvious and one-dimensional villain, embarrassingly unsubtle symbolism, and the always-cringeworthy cliche "be yourself" moral. But the final nail in the coffin was that the episode just wasn't interesting in any way. If anything, this episode is worse than an awful episode; it's boring and unmemorable.

Lena Hall did a pretty good job, though. Her voice was too deep for the scenes with filly Rara, but that wasn't really her fault. Her songs all sounded great.

The final scene with the last two songs was overall really good as well. Even the lighting looked much better thann normal. I think this is actually what the other problems stemmed from; they put too much work into Hall's big scene, and the rest of the episode was just the tacked-on leadup. It's the television equivalent of those old video games who only have a "plot" to justify why the PC is beating up hordes of ninjas.

So, since everyone else is doing the rating thing… 6.5/10? Not a great episode, but it had its good points, and it's much better than the worst the series has to offer.

Yes, the events of the episode were predictable, and that Svengallop was the source of this whole trouble, but hey! The episode was very enjoyable, and Lena Hall's performance in the episode was amazing! Also, I give credits to Rogers for using Applejack's Element of Honesty personality very well. With the help of her friends, she was able to convince Countess Coloratura/Rara about how she was being used for her manager's music industry And by showing her true self, Rara was able to show her true and talented side and impressed everyone, including her old friend.

I will give this at least a 9/10.

Thank you, Amy Keating Rogers, for your wonderful episodes. Good luck in your future endeavors. We will miss you.

Hey guys, you know how much you like me making Amy Keating Rogers' leaving for Disney a bigger deal than it really is? Well guess what, TIME TO START THE TEARS!


Goddammit Amy, you wrote a song that feels like it's a fucking throwaway/filler song only to find out it's….goddammit…..goddammit.

Also, nice to see I wasn't the only one that had this bouncing around in my head the whole episode.

Last edited Nov 22, 2015 at 12:33AM EST

@Episode
7.5/10. Pretty solid. The plot was bland and predictable, but it made up for it with the character stuff and not horrible singing. Which is what usually separates the meh and bad from the good. And it was an AJ episode that wasn't apples, apples, apples, or family--even if the stage was a giant apple. Would have been nice for Svengallop to not be a card carrying member of the Giant Douchebag Club, but I suppose they already did that in the Rarity episode. Hopefully they'll get some more guest VAs in S6, instead of "Tabitha doing another version of Rarity."

And is it just me, or is there a "standard gay voice" that VAs use? I don't just mean sounding effeminate, I mean that exact voice. I could have sworn I heard Svengallop's voice dozens of other times but his IMDb is as barren as Antarctica.

@Episode
Twas an adorable episode, nice ending. At least this time I was only a day late.

One thing popped into my my head though, when the whole "pop music industry is toxic" angle popped up, was this:


Unrelated, yesterday I made a tumblr post on my mod blog about what I consider the "Four Laws of Magic", and while the full post has some clarifications and explanations, here's the short version:

First Law of Magic: All magic has its origins in the soul of an individual, or group of individuals.

Second Law of Magic: The strength of magic is primarily dependant on the will, determination, and emotions of the individuals.

Third Law of Magic: The strength of magic is amplified amoung multiple individuals by the strength of their bond.

Fourth Law of Magic: All magical energy is identical at the most basic level, and theoretically capable of the same effects as all other kinds of magical energy.

… Before you ask… Yes, the Fourth Law is probably the reason why I believe that a Pegasus or Earth Pony could become a wizard… Or a DBZ hero. Either way. I also really wanted to make it the first law, but I figured its not as important.

Full Post Here

@xTSGx
I know what you mean regarding that voice, and I knew it reminded me of somepony already in the show; the Antique Chicken guy from "Trade Ya!"

His voice was based off of a comedian named Charles Nelson Reilly, who voiced the Dirty Bubble from Spongebob. Maybe all these instances of the "Standard gay Voice" are homages to him.


There's something I wanted to discuss regarding the CMC and their dynamics. Has anyone else noticed that the personalities of the individual characters sorta flies in the face of the role they fit in the group?

Let me explain: Apple Bloom's role generally seems to be the leader, and a good leader is usually the one that is the most level-headed, impartial to disputes and good at solving problems. While Apple Bloom does sorta represent the in-between of Scootaloo and Sweetie Belle, if an arguement breaks out it's usually between AB and Scoots, with Sweetie Belle taking the middle ground. Apple Bloom is also the most prone to panic and while the other CMC have sorta calmed down a bit, AB is still the most playful of the bunch.

Sweetie Belle's biggest flaw is generally her naivety. Not much to say here really, Sweetie Belle seems to be just a tad slower than the others, and is usually the last to catch on to new ideas and situations. Despite this, she's sorta found her way into the role of the voice of reason, compasion and understanding, a role typically reserved for characters who are a little more observant.

Scootaloo is the tough one, she's the prideful one, she's the active one, and she's also the one most plagued by self-doubt and personal insecurities! While Apple Bloom is more prone to panic and worry, Scootaloo seems to be the CMC most inclined to deeply hidden fear and emotional baggage unrelated to the earning of a Cutie Mark, ESPECIALLY now that they actually HAVE their marks and Apple Bloom probably will be freaking out a lot less.

I actually think this is a testiment to how good the CMC are as characters, that they can fit roles that you might typically expect to be filled be characters with different personality types. In fact, in a lot of cases, the things that make them so bad at their role in one way make them fit it perfectly in a completely different way: Apple Bloom fits the role of leader BECAUSE she's so playful and enthusiastic. Sweetie Belle fits the role of the voice of reason BECAUSE she has to slow down and think. Scootaloo fits the role of the tough one BECAUSE on the inside she's holding so many insecurities.

Maybe I'm stretching a bit with this analysis, but it's worth thinking about.

Luna Protege wrote:

@Kuro Sapentia
Was not aware it was April 1st.
Cause seriously, that joke works better on that day.

Also… Sapentina… that's a new one… Not seen anyone manage to fuck up my name like that before

Kuro:

Also… Sapentina… that’s a new one… Not seen anyone manage to fuck up my name like that before

Trust me, when I screw up a name; its one part because I can't be bothered to check what the actual spelling is (such as in this website's "reply quote" and "edit post" screens, where going back undoes your work), and one part because whatever I wrote as their name sounded cool in my head.

… Also you misspelled my misspelling. I also dropped an N near the end. So it was "Sapentia" rather than "Sapentina".

So yeah… You kinda undersold how much of a typo I made.

I'm pretty sure when I was in the edit post screen, trying to remember your name, the thing that came to mind was this thing from Bayonetta:

It's name is Sapientia (apparently I should have added an "I"), as in Wisdom.

… And now for some Luna as Bayonetta, because why not?

Last edited Nov 24, 2015 at 10:12AM EST

Luna Protege wrote:

Kuro:

Also… Sapentina… that’s a new one… Not seen anyone manage to fuck up my name like that before

Trust me, when I screw up a name; its one part because I can't be bothered to check what the actual spelling is (such as in this website's "reply quote" and "edit post" screens, where going back undoes your work), and one part because whatever I wrote as their name sounded cool in my head.

… Also you misspelled my misspelling. I also dropped an N near the end. So it was "Sapentia" rather than "Sapentina".

So yeah… You kinda undersold how much of a typo I made.

I'm pretty sure when I was in the edit post screen, trying to remember your name, the thing that came to mind was this thing from Bayonetta:

It's name is Sapientia (apparently I should have added an "I"), as in Wisdom.

… And now for some Luna as Bayonetta, because why not?

Lunanettea

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