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Zoya: There was a moment in the keynote that sounded like zinester work wasn't proceduralist. Could be overdetermined by previous knowledge, but queer feminist work is often the most proceduralist because it's focused on systems Deirdra: Queer feminist work can make the system more visible to people because it is critiquing the system and focuses on how the system works Andrew: Large divide between industry and academia. Great conversations here, but those onversations do not occur outside of a group like this. What can we do to bridge this? What about when being published on Kotaku is a bad thing, rather than a positive signal boosting thing? Emily: One of the important contributions of feminist work is informal learning, safe spaces where people can play around and learn how to make things. Without great mentoring and support by a feminist scholar early on the work couldn't be taken to a new community in Wales Adrienne: Why do we see such tension between academics and game designers? less of an issue with indies, but there are always some people in industry that have similar questions until industrial logic takes over later and how can we better intervene in industrial logics to disturb that process. How can academics bridge the gap to the industry audience to help them do different work? How can we disrupt the capitalist norms that facilitate this? Deirdra: This is a hard, personal issue. Getting attacked or having friends getting attacked hurts It's hard not to feel personally attacked and to get to an academic spot where you take the personal out of it. Andrew: Feels quite viscerally injured when someone like Samantha Allen is lost to the industry because the reaction to her by some gamers was so violent that it didn't make sense to stay. Academia needs to push for more radical positions within the industry to help make things better Emily: Part of it is about education. Can we help make more informed consumers? Casey: The people pushing for these dialogues are faculty or industry folks that are asking people to talk about things in different ways. How can we invite industry folks into classes to help encourage people to think in different ways? Can we help both students and industry get better? Learn and run or learn and stay? Staying helps us change things more. Gamasutra will shut down negative conversation at least in part because they've had their awareness raised by academics Chris: We have to think about our obligation and the structures of our production and how we limit what counts and how quickly things can be done do they do it in film and other media studies? Some tension between working on a paper to be read by a few or on a game that may be played by more people. When you make a game you are forced within the genre conventions of game reviews and game scoring. Feedback from IGF and Indiecade can be lacking and only focus on the surface elements. What about a scholarly in-depth review of the messages within a game? Hanli: Do you have research protocols for what counts? Shira: Where do we go from here? Andrew: Flabbergasted that there's not more desperation in the room. Everyone in the room should be scared, as evervone in the industry is scared. Doing the right thin to hurt ut that's the only way to make progress. If you're willing to take it on push harder and do more Academics can still interface with the industry and talk with people to say things Deirdra: Part of the reason to be scared is a perception of a lack of power, but we have more power than we think. Lindsay: Fear is actually part of the problem. Figure out what you have an how to best use it How can you exploit the system and use it to your best advantage? Determine the rules and the rules you want and try to bring them together. As you mature you become more confident, as you become more confident, you're not as afraid of difference Joaquim: There are many barriers to making things better. Education is not enough, as industry works within the logic of a sexist and racist society. Simply educating people in the industry may not be enough. Thinking about academia and who can become grad students or this conference is a privileged group. Cost of registration, planes, and other expenses means that you are going to lose certain voices Jose Z: Always hear the story that you guys should do this, but why don't you do it? Never seen anyone shot down for an idea. Do it and run with it and it'll be awesome. How can we help facilitate what you want to do? Do it long enough with enough conviction and do it well and it'll gain it's own momentum. If you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is we won't get anything done. DiGRA is all volunteer and doesn't have a ton of money Gillian: Putting the work on individuals makes them choose how to divide their time and efforts A person can point out that a problem exists without being required to solve it. Jose Z: No one person can solve anything, but we need more hands to solve more problems Tracy: DiGRA isn't you guys. DiGRA is us. So saying you guys do it is improbable, as it's about us. Change has done by yourself, but you don't have to do it alone. Bring other people together to do something really radical and good. Committing something can help make it happen. People at GDC also ask for change, but this year everyone came for IGF and many people left for the big game show and most nominated for the big game show were from IGF Only half of the half that are left stood for Anita Sarkeesian. Some progress was made and progress is important. We're in the middle of this Mia: The outrage is good because it marks change We're getting things done now in a way that is more advanced and more questions are being asked Tracy: Backlash means we're making a difference Meghan: Anyone that feels comfortable is a position of privilege and those folks should offer to help those who are in a more precarious position. Adrienne: a big answer wrap up would be counterproductive, but many of the issues in academia and industry seem interconnected. Citation is important and there is a long history we need to acknowledge. This will require mentorship as wel

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Zoya: There was a moment in the keynote that sounded like zinester work wasn't proceduralist. Could be overdetermined by previous knowledge, but queer feminist work is often the most proceduralist because it's focused on systems Deirdra: Queer feminist work can make the system more visible to people because it is critiquing the system and focuses on how the system works Andrew: Large divide between industry and academia. Great conversations here, but those onversations do not occur outside of a group like this. What can we do to bridge this? What about when being published on Kotaku is a bad thing, rather than a positive signal boosting thing? Emily: One of the important contributions of feminist work is informal learning, safe spaces where people can play around and learn how to make things. Without great mentoring and support by a feminist scholar early on the work couldn't be taken to a new community in Wales Adrienne: Why do we see such tension between academics and game designers? less of an issue with indies, but there are always some people in industry that have similar questions until industrial logic takes over later and how can we better intervene in industrial logics to disturb that process. How can academics bridge the gap to the industry audience to help them do different work? How can we disrupt the capitalist norms that facilitate this? Deirdra: This is a hard, personal issue. Getting attacked or having friends getting attacked hurts It's hard not to feel personally attacked and to get to an academic spot where you take the personal out of it. Andrew: Feels quite viscerally injured when someone like Samantha Allen is lost to the industry because the reaction to her by some gamers was so violent that it didn't make sense to stay. Academia needs to push for more radical positions within the industry to help make things better Emily: Part of it is about education. Can we help make more informed consumers? Casey: The people pushing for these dialogues are faculty or industry folks that are asking people to talk about things in different ways. How can we invite industry folks into classes to help encourage people to think in different ways? Can we help both students and industry get better? Learn and run or learn and stay? Staying helps us change things more. Gamasutra will shut down negative conversation at least in part because they've had their awareness raised by academics Chris: We have to think about our obligation and the structures of our production and how we limit what counts and how quickly things can be done do they do it in film and other media studies? Some tension between working on a paper to be read by a few or on a game that may be played by more people. When you make a game you are forced within the genre conventions of game reviews and game scoring. Feedback from IGF and Indiecade can be lacking and only focus on the surface elements. What about a scholarly in-depth review of the messages within a game? Hanli: Do you have research protocols for what counts? Shira: Where do we go from here? Andrew: Flabbergasted that there's not more desperation in the room. Everyone in the room should be scared, as evervone in the industry is scared. Doing the right thin to hurt ut that's the only way to make progress. If you're willing to take it on push harder and do more Academics can still interface with the industry and talk with people to say things Deirdra: Part of the reason to be scared is a perception of a lack of power, but we have more power than we think. Lindsay: Fear is actually part of the problem. Figure out what you have an how to best use it How can you exploit the system and use it to your best advantage? Determine the rules and the rules you want and try to bring them together. As you mature you become more confident, as you become more confident, you're not as afraid of difference Joaquim: There are many barriers to making things better. Education is not enough, as industry works within the logic of a sexist and racist society. Simply educating people in the industry may not be enough. Thinking about academia and who can become grad students or this conference is a privileged group. Cost of registration, planes, and other expenses means that you are going to lose certain voices Jose Z: Always hear the story that you guys should do this, but why don't you do it? Never seen anyone shot down for an idea. Do it and run with it and it'll be awesome. How can we help facilitate what you want to do? Do it long enough with enough conviction and do it well and it'll gain it's own momentum. If you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is we won't get anything done. DiGRA is all volunteer and doesn't have a ton of money Gillian: Putting the work on individuals makes them choose how to divide their time and efforts A person can point out that a problem exists without being required to solve it. Jose Z: No one person can solve anything, but we need more hands to solve more problems Tracy: DiGRA isn't you guys. DiGRA is us. So saying you guys do it is improbable, as it's about us. Change has done by yourself, but you don't have to do it alone. Bring other people together to do something really radical and good. Committing something can help make it happen. People at GDC also ask for change, but this year everyone came for IGF and many people left for the big game show and most nominated for the big game show were from IGF Only half of the half that are left stood for Anita Sarkeesian. Some progress was made and progress is important. We're in the middle of this Mia: The outrage is good because it marks change We're getting things done now in a way that is more advanced and more questions are being asked Tracy: Backlash means we're making a difference Meghan: Anyone that feels comfortable is a position of privilege and those folks should offer to help those who are in a more precarious position. Adrienne: a big answer wrap up would be counterproductive, but many of the issues in academia and industry seem interconnected. Citation is important and there is a long history we need to acknowledge. This will require mentorship as wel

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