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Last posted Jan 20, 2020 at 11:33PM EST. Added May 08, 2016 at 11:44AM EDT
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Penny wrote:

Let me be honest there, as much as I love the Lovecraftian monsters, I don't want to see any Grimms based on them for one reason: Boring.
I just simply find the Lovecraftian monsters boring, sure scary, to a 5 years old, I mean I'm more scared of a bill than Cthulhu. And let's be reasonable there. A giant tentacled, spiky bullshit is just as good as a big freakin' target, the reason why I don't like either Attack on Titan nor The Walking Dead cause I find the enemies too easily evadable (of course apparently the people in both AoT and TWD can't avoid them but that's another story), big and/or clumsy, slow enemies? Ruby would cut them down while standing still. Grimms are perfect they are fast, strong and the reason why they look like common animals with a twist? Well cause the tentacled mouth is useless on the dry land, I mean if it wouldn't be then Mother Nature would gave us tentacled mouth not what we have now, right? I always say there's a good darn reason why we look like how we do now, and so does everything else, and I say Grimms also follow this rule, the so called Survival of the Fittest. Current Grimms proven to be the most effective against humans, so when the Grimms started to spread across the planet these types became common cause they were the best at what they are doing.

Anyway another topic I was just thinking and I think I found out Team RWBY's spirit Grimms, or at least most of them.

Ruby: Ruby alludes to the Little Red Riding hood, right? So obviously the Grimm we can associate with her are the Beowulfs.

Weiss: Weiss alludes to the Snow White, as for her Grimm are the Boarbatusks. The reason behind this is the fact in the original Snow White story, I mean well not the original original, but the more kid friendly version, the Hunter killed a wild boar and took it's heart to the evil Queen, saying that's Snow White's.

Blake: Well now, poor Blake, I didn't find a matching Grimm, yet. As cause Blake alludes to well, probably Belle from the Beauty and the Beast, but let's be honest I have my doubts though, still we didn't see a bull like Grimm yet.

Yang: Yang alludes to Goldilocks, her Grimm are Ursas. This's the easiest honestly.

I disagree. We should definitely see Lovecraftian Grimm. My reasons: The Grimm are already pretty eldritch. They may look and possibly act like animals, but they don't need to eat, drink or shit, they can live for who-knows how long, they can sense negativity, they have no organs or even bleed, again they are already pretty eldritch.

And we have seen progressively less "normal" Grimm, like the Griffons, the Dragon, and the Creeps. And it's reasonable to assume that further away from the Kingdoms, the Grimm would be less and less like shadow animals and more like monsters, if not even alien. So, it would fit perfectly, if we saw a lovecraftian Grimm.

With your other points, I disagree as well. For starters, "big" doesn't mean Slow or even Clumsy (go play God Eaters if you don't believe me, freaking Ouroboros already proves what I mean).

Second, regardless of size they can make up for any speed weakness by being freaking tough. Hell, the titans from AOT, at least the most basic ones, had a ridiculously specific weak point, which was the only way to really damage them. Or for a more well-known example: Godzilla.

Third, "tentacled mouth is useless in dry land, I mean if it wouldn’t be then Mother Nature would gave us tentacled mouth not what we have now, right?" <-This is just dumb. Evolution makes things develop what they need or improve what they have to survive. We didn't need tentacled mouths because our "normal" mouths already were all we needed. Heck, we got no tentacles, feathers, beaks, paws or anything like that because we didn't need them to survive, what we have is already more than we need to survive.

Fourth, The whole "survival of the fittest" part applying to the Grimm is dumb as well. The more "normal, animal-like" Grimm are the ones closest to the cities, thus the ones that die the most. The less normal Grimm are further away, and are much stronger. We got in-show evidence of this, especially with the Dragon. So if they followed that "rule", the current Grimm would all not be like simple painted animals, they would at the least look like fantasy creatures.

Fith, who says a Chulthu Grimm would be on land? It could be on water. It would be boring if there were no aquatic Grimm. It could also be on sand, it wouldn't be the first time a tentacle monster lurking under sand was done.

As for associating Grimm with Team RWBY, let's consider the Beast regarding Blake. The Beast was a monster, with traits of different animals. So if there was a Grimm we could associate with Blake, like the Beowulves with Ruby and Ursa with Yang, it would not be one of the puny, animal Grimm mooks, it would be a stronger, more fantastical Grimm.

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LiveandSound wrote:

I disagree. We should definitely see Lovecraftian Grimm. My reasons: The Grimm are already pretty eldritch. They may look and possibly act like animals, but they don't need to eat, drink or shit, they can live for who-knows how long, they can sense negativity, they have no organs or even bleed, again they are already pretty eldritch.

And we have seen progressively less "normal" Grimm, like the Griffons, the Dragon, and the Creeps. And it's reasonable to assume that further away from the Kingdoms, the Grimm would be less and less like shadow animals and more like monsters, if not even alien. So, it would fit perfectly, if we saw a lovecraftian Grimm.

With your other points, I disagree as well. For starters, "big" doesn't mean Slow or even Clumsy (go play God Eaters if you don't believe me, freaking Ouroboros already proves what I mean).

Second, regardless of size they can make up for any speed weakness by being freaking tough. Hell, the titans from AOT, at least the most basic ones, had a ridiculously specific weak point, which was the only way to really damage them. Or for a more well-known example: Godzilla.

Third, "tentacled mouth is useless in dry land, I mean if it wouldn’t be then Mother Nature would gave us tentacled mouth not what we have now, right?" <-This is just dumb. Evolution makes things develop what they need or improve what they have to survive. We didn't need tentacled mouths because our "normal" mouths already were all we needed. Heck, we got no tentacles, feathers, beaks, paws or anything like that because we didn't need them to survive, what we have is already more than we need to survive.

Fourth, The whole "survival of the fittest" part applying to the Grimm is dumb as well. The more "normal, animal-like" Grimm are the ones closest to the cities, thus the ones that die the most. The less normal Grimm are further away, and are much stronger. We got in-show evidence of this, especially with the Dragon. So if they followed that "rule", the current Grimm would all not be like simple painted animals, they would at the least look like fantasy creatures.

Fith, who says a Chulthu Grimm would be on land? It could be on water. It would be boring if there were no aquatic Grimm. It could also be on sand, it wouldn't be the first time a tentacle monster lurking under sand was done.

As for associating Grimm with Team RWBY, let's consider the Beast regarding Blake. The Beast was a monster, with traits of different animals. So if there was a Grimm we could associate with Blake, like the Beowulves with Ruby and Ursa with Yang, it would not be one of the puny, animal Grimm mooks, it would be a stronger, more fantastical Grimm.

Sorry for the accidental downvote, Forums doesn't ask questions unlike comments and it's hard to press anything on a tiny screen with sweaty fingers.
But enough of that! I still say, I don't like Lovecraftian monsters, I think I'm the only one who doesn't really like Lovecraft anyway. Sure Grimms look a tad eldritch, but if I want that I would read a WH40K story rather than RWBY, what I would like to see however is more historical, or actually mythical Grimms. Griffons are a fine example, they are based on the Gryphons. What I would like to really see is more Dragon Grimms, and under that actual Dragons would be cool cause that we see in Episode 12 of V3 is still a Wyvern. Actually Dishwasher1910 friend of ours, was enough kind to illustrate one of my favourite mythical creatures. the Orochi, in Grimm form of course.

Which is also a dragon, namely an eight-headed serpent. More of these would be nice. Ouroboros you mentioned, another serpent, would make also an amazing Grimm, albeit weird one cause it would be biting it's own tail……. Anyway in short, Lovecraftians would look cool, but they aren't mythical creatures. Of course if Kerry and Miles decide to put it in, well I just shrug, sit back and try to enjoy it.

Penny wrote:

We don't like Grimms either. Okay it's the mean of our job, I mean without them we would have no job and if no job, no money. But of course you don't have to like what you have to deal with…

If Grimm, or just monsters in general, were real, I'd have a career. Pretty good trade off if you ask me.

Anyways, it's common for monsters to get more monstrous the further you get from civilization. That's why the big boss is at the end of a long dungeon. He doesn't want to be found and killed. I'm certain we haven't seen the extent of the Grimm population and variety.

As for their nature… I thought it was clear that Grimm were outside of the ecosystem and outside nature. The fact that they dissolve on death, and can spawn from the Wyvern's blood is enough to prove that they are not natural creatures.

Also, I just realized something about the Wyvern. It came out of the mountain next to Vale, right? Wasn't that right where the Mt. Glen (or whatever it was called) city expansion was? I always found it strange how a project of that size, a stone's throw away from Vale, was overrun by lesser Grimm. Now we know how. The Wyvern was likely spawning hundreds of Grimm to overrun the project and keep it's existence a secret.

Penny wrote:

Sorry for the accidental downvote, Forums doesn't ask questions unlike comments and it's hard to press anything on a tiny screen with sweaty fingers.
But enough of that! I still say, I don't like Lovecraftian monsters, I think I'm the only one who doesn't really like Lovecraft anyway. Sure Grimms look a tad eldritch, but if I want that I would read a WH40K story rather than RWBY, what I would like to see however is more historical, or actually mythical Grimms. Griffons are a fine example, they are based on the Gryphons. What I would like to really see is more Dragon Grimms, and under that actual Dragons would be cool cause that we see in Episode 12 of V3 is still a Wyvern. Actually Dishwasher1910 friend of ours, was enough kind to illustrate one of my favourite mythical creatures. the Orochi, in Grimm form of course.

Which is also a dragon, namely an eight-headed serpent. More of these would be nice. Ouroboros you mentioned, another serpent, would make also an amazing Grimm, albeit weird one cause it would be biting it's own tail……. Anyway in short, Lovecraftians would look cool, but they aren't mythical creatures. Of course if Kerry and Miles decide to put it in, well I just shrug, sit back and try to enjoy it.

If you want more mythical Grimm, then there are still some mythological and fantastical creatures that are eldritch enough, and in some cases lovecraftian enough (and not just the Kraken).

The Ouroboros….is a giant snake of eternity/infinity, so possibly a regenerating giant King Taijitu. The Grimm don't need to be 100% faithful (as shown by Dragon the Wyvern). Though the one from God Eaters isn't a snake. It's a………I'm not even sure what it is, go watch a vid of it. The name does fit it, but not in the literal way, more of a reminder of it's otherworldness.

But still, my point was that lovecraftian Grimm would fit their eldritchness and unnaturality perfectly. It's fine if you want more mythical/fantastic Grimm, which I admit fits well with the whole "makes small references to fairy tales and legends" theme the show has. Though some of your reasons for why lovecraftian Grimm shouldn't be added, were just dumb, honestly.

PS: I question the accidentality of that downvote.

PS-PS: I hadn't even noticed the downvote until you mentioned it.

(Well, I'm not gonna write a page long story about how I downvoted you accidentally, you either believe it or not, I appologized anyway, so from now on it's none of my concerns.)
Sure maybe, but I think calling them dumb isn't okay. I mean my reasons. With that case I could call everything you say dumb as well. You could say "Dust is energy source" and I would say "Dumb, bullshit" even if it's true. So the more appropiate would be "Your reasons aren't really keeping up with the thematics of the Grimms." Yes longer but not makes you sound like a total ass. Cause honestly you sound like one now, and believe me I'm trying to read everyone's post in a cheerful and kind voice, even if the said post or comment is no more than just a plain rant or rage.

As for the Eldritch Grimms. No for a good reason. The common Grimms you call common are bit more than just repainted animals, they look more menacing, and all of them based on some mythical creatures. Beowulfs? Werewolves! So yeah. But if you have something like Cthulhu, you can't add anything on it, cause it's already scary and menacing, he would be the real Grimm that would be only different from the original one is it's repainted.

Penny wrote:

(Well, I'm not gonna write a page long story about how I downvoted you accidentally, you either believe it or not, I appologized anyway, so from now on it's none of my concerns.)
Sure maybe, but I think calling them dumb isn't okay. I mean my reasons. With that case I could call everything you say dumb as well. You could say "Dust is energy source" and I would say "Dumb, bullshit" even if it's true. So the more appropiate would be "Your reasons aren't really keeping up with the thematics of the Grimms." Yes longer but not makes you sound like a total ass. Cause honestly you sound like one now, and believe me I'm trying to read everyone's post in a cheerful and kind voice, even if the said post or comment is no more than just a plain rant or rage.

As for the Eldritch Grimms. No for a good reason. The common Grimms you call common are bit more than just repainted animals, they look more menacing, and all of them based on some mythical creatures. Beowulfs? Werewolves! So yeah. But if you have something like Cthulhu, you can't add anything on it, cause it's already scary and menacing, he would be the real Grimm that would be only different from the original one is it's repainted.

-There's a difference between that eample you're using, and what I did. In your example, I would state a fact stated by the show and you would call it dumb, bullshit. In that case, it's not okay, the only dumb bullshit is calling the fact dumb bullshit.

Meanwhile, when I called your reasons dumb, it was okay because they were dumb reasons. For example, saying that tentacled mouths are useless in dry land because otherwise we humans would have tentacled mouths, as a reason for why a lovecraftian Grimm would not be a good idea, is a dumb reason. Excuse me for being honest.

In the former, one is calling the stated truth "bullshit", which is wrong. In the latter, one is calling the dumb reasoning "dumb", which is fine.

-"The common Grimms you call common are bit more than just repainted animals, they look more menacing, and all of them based on some mythical creatures. Beowulfs? Werewolves!" <-Alright regarding Beowulves. Now look at the Nevermores, the Ursae, the Deathstalker, the Boarbatusk, the Goliath….what do they all have in common? They are simple, painted animals. The only exception in this case would be the Taijitu, for virtue of having 2 heads. (Creeps are discarded from that list because Frogzards don't exist.)

-So your reasoning in this case is that the repainting makes them look like more menacing versions of existing creatures, thus more like the monsters they supposedly are. Then why can't we have a Chulthu Grimm then? Grab a giant squid or octopus, make it more menacing, paint it, call it Chulthu, BOOM, done. The same as with all the other Grimm.

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Fallenangel700 wrote:

Guys… stop fighting please. You're both being fairly hostile.

Let's move on to a different topic… How about RWBY: GE. Last I heard that was coming along swimmingly. What have they added since it's release?

Speaking of RWBY GE, how expensive do you expect the Villain DLC to be? I would need to think twice if Neo costs $40. Dollars are preciously rare and useful where I live, so I may need to save them up, but…Neo.

Fallenangel700 wrote:

Guys… stop fighting please. You're both being fairly hostile.

Let's move on to a different topic… How about RWBY: GE. Last I heard that was coming along swimmingly. What have they added since it's release?

Okay. I stop it, and under that I mean I just simply ignore him, whatever he says.

As for the game, not much. Only Emerald Forest, Mountain Glenn and Forever Fall has been added so far, with Forever Fall being the newest part. There are only Grimm enemies so far, since the story is separate from the Volumes' story you can expect some new villians, of course they are defeated by the end of the game, probably. No news of Team JNPR yet. But I'm now waiting for the Survival game mode, achievements, Steam Cards and badges!

LiveandSound wrote:

Speaking of RWBY GE, how expensive do you expect the Villain DLC to be? I would need to think twice if Neo costs $40. Dollars are preciously rare and useful where I live, so I may need to save them up, but…Neo.

Considering the base game is 40$, I highly doubt Neo will be that much. If they even do DLC character, which I doubt RT would do, it's likely going to be 10 or 15$ for a team of 4.

But that's if they even do DLC. They'll likely add a vast majority of stuff from the show to the base game. Like Penny said, they still have to add more areas, more enemies, more story, and more playable characters.

Anyways, sounds like it's coming along nicely. I'm lookin forward to when it's completed.

Fallenangel700 wrote:

Considering the base game is 40$, I highly doubt Neo will be that much. If they even do DLC character, which I doubt RT would do, it's likely going to be 10 or 15$ for a team of 4.

But that's if they even do DLC. They'll likely add a vast majority of stuff from the show to the base game. Like Penny said, they still have to add more areas, more enemies, more story, and more playable characters.

Anyways, sounds like it's coming along nicely. I'm lookin forward to when it's completed.

Why the doubts? Don't you know RT? They will add DLC to the game, guaranteed. And it likely won't be cheap either.

As for the game right now, I heard single-player was in Beta. Finally, was getting tired of trying to play alone and having 3 noobs constantly joining me and leaving me the moment fights begin.

Maybe. That would certainly leave a lot of options for them to take the story. Even if they don't, there were a couple of large time jumps in the show. An entire year has past. That leave a fair amount of room for them to take the story.

Fallenangel700 wrote:

Maybe. That would certainly leave a lot of options for them to take the story. Even if they don't, there were a couple of large time jumps in the show. An entire year has past. That leave a fair amount of room for them to take the story.

No, it was stated officially the game sets between Volume 2 and 3. As Volume 2's end around May and Volume 3's start is in September, or these months' Remnantian version. Actually if you play with Ruby and you reach Mountain Glenn, Ruby will say "Mountain Gleen?! I thought we are done with that place!" and I think Weiss says "Here we are… again…"

The new content Forever Fall looks awesome, I just need a new PC, my FPS often gets down to 12-23 and with that impossible to finish that parkour part. Or anything….

One thing that kind of bugged me about the volume 3 finale was that we never got to see Team JNPR's reaction to Pyrrha's death. The next time we see them is weeks (months?) later and they seem fine, if a bit more serious than before. I understand we couldn't see the reaction because the focus was on Ruby's perspective, but it still bugged me. Hopefully, the next volume will deal more with their sense of loss.

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Farm Zombie wrote:

One thing that kind of bugged me about the volume 3 finale was that we never got to see Team JNPR's reaction to Pyrrha's death. The next time we see them is weeks (months?) later and they seem fine, if a bit more serious than before. I understand we couldn't see the reaction because the focus was on Ruby's perspective, but it still bugged me. Hopefully, the next volume will deal more with their sense of loss.

I'm sure it will. They'd be missing a huge opportunity to rack up some early feels and good character building.

You comment also made me realize something. Assuming the school years work like they do here on Earth, the tournament would have happened at the start of summer. Team RNJR doesn't start their journey until well into winter.

That's a HUGE time jump given the state of the world. Wiess has been back in Atlas, Blake has been running around, the other characters have all returned to their homes, and the world has been in chaos for almost a year now. There a lot we missed out on there. Makes me wonder what's been going on.

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Fallenangel700 wrote:

I'm sure it will. They'd be missing a huge opportunity to rack up some early feels and good character building.

You comment also made me realize something. Assuming the school years work like they do here on Earth, the tournament would have happened at the start of summer. Team RNJR doesn't start their journey until well into winter.

That's a HUGE time jump given the state of the world. Wiess has been back in Atlas, Blake has been running around, the other characters have all returned to their homes, and the world has been in chaos for almost a year now. There a lot we missed out on there. Makes me wonder what's been going on.

Actually yes and no. In Volume 3 Ch.3 "It's brawl in the family", Ruby stated the current season is Fall. However at the end of the Volume we saw snowfall, that means it's winter right? Nope, not neccessarily, since in Remnant everything runs on Dust, there's literally zero air pollution, that means the average tempature way lower than here on earth, so it wouldn't be surprising if snow can fall there in November, which is technically still Fall! Also school years not works in Remnant like here, Ruby and the others started their school years early in the spring or winter (January probably). During the Summer, team RWBY (and probably JNPR too) was on missions, that's what we see in Grimm Eclipse. So Volume 1 and 2 plays in Winter/Spring, Grimm Eclipse Summer and Volume 3 is Fall, and at the end starts Winter but that will be left for Volume 4.

Oh, well nevermind then. That makes a lot of sense. Having school in summer helps when most of the classwork is field trips to fight monsters. Wonder when they do winter combat training. Gotta stay ready, never know where the hunt will take you next!

Does Remnant have hot drinks?


Cheers, mate!
While we're on the topic (Kinda), anyone wanna talk about Remnant culture? Namely how different are the kingdoms from each other. Since the environment effects culture, what things like in Vacuo (a desert), Atlas (A tundra?), or Minstral (a swamp) when compared to Vale (a forest).
Anybody got any fun, interesting, or even mundane ideas?

Fallenangel700 wrote:


Cheers, mate!
While we're on the topic (Kinda), anyone wanna talk about Remnant culture? Namely how different are the kingdoms from each other. Since the environment effects culture, what things like in Vacuo (a desert), Atlas (A tundra?), or Minstral (a swamp) when compared to Vale (a forest).
Anybody got any fun, interesting, or even mundane ideas?

Where did I put it? ………… Ah there it is!

The map of Remnant! First of all, I believe kingdoms are far more than just a desert, a tundra, a swamp (Mistral btw not Minstral) and a forest.

Actually all that can be found in one kingdom, Mistral. Mistral has plains, a swampland, tundra area, high mountain area (with volcanoes hopefully) and a desert! So yeah Mistral has the most variant climates. Yet I also believe it might be rather hostile place, not just only cause of the climate, but as far as I remember Qrow said the swamplands are full of low-lifes, thugs, assassins, thieves, bandits, etc.

Atlas, I believe southern is might be tundra but the northern area is more like Arctic. Extreme cold all the year, locos got used to it, but foreigners might need to wear extra clothes. I also believe Atlas is the only kingdom fully controlling it's land, that means their military forces do much more than just idle in the cities, but go out and kill any Grimms that pop-up, thus Atlas has the lowest number of Grimms. By the way, I believe Ciel Soleil is actually from Vacuo, just she went to Atlas academy, much like Sun who was also born in Vacuo but then went to Mistral.

Vacuo, if we are already talking about people hailing from there, is in the middle of a desert, so either built upon an osais or as I stated in my Dust theory, my headcanon is it's built upon a water Dust gallery. I expect extreme heat here and at the coastal line lotsa beaches!

I imagine Vale is the moddest of all lands, pretty much like a mediterranean climate. Thanks to the hills and forests, Vale is quite calm. If I would make a RWBY RPG, Vale would be a good headstart for the low level players due to it's low amount and usually weak Creatures of Grimm!

By the way, what is that flask icon? Never seen it before.

I always got the feeling the kingdoms are small, like little more than city-states. I base this off the first season, when Roman looks at a map of a single city that just reads "Vale". And whenever someone is leaving Beacon to go to the city, they just say they're going to Vale. Of course, maybe they just mean they're going to Vale's capital city, which also happens to be named Vale. Regardless, there are clearly more than four human cultures in Remnant. Look at JNPR. Their names, dress, and motifs are stand-ins for Greek, Norse, Chinese, and medieval European cultures. Adding in other characters, we also have Japanese, Arabic, German and plenty of others. What I'm getting at is that I feel like used to be more kingdoms, or other states, but they lost territory to Grimm and were all forced into these four small kingdoms. Over time, national identity and culture developed, but individual districts and families tried to keep the old traditions alive through subcultures. For example, Pyrrha and Cinder (allegedly) both grew up in mistral, but their names and style of dress are radically different.

Or maybe I'm wrong and the kingdoms are enormous enough to incorporate multiple regions with different cultures.

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Well now, let me quote Professor Port from RWBY: Grimm Eclipse when you enter the Emerald forest:
Ruby: "Wow look at these! How old are they?"
Port: "Ah yes the Emerald forest is full of remains of ancient kingdoms…."

Multiple kingdoms rising and falling… A multitude of cool weapons… Pretty much everything wants to kill you in Remnant… and to top it all off, "This Will Be The Day" warns us to "beware that the light is fading, beware as the dark returns"…

You guys know what this means, right?

Penny wrote:

Well now, let me quote Professor Port from RWBY: Grimm Eclipse when you enter the Emerald forest:
Ruby: "Wow look at these! How old are they?"
Port: "Ah yes the Emerald forest is full of remains of ancient kingdoms…."

I really need to get around to playing that. If only my PC weren't little more than an ancient rope and pulley system.

Farm Zombie wrote:

I really need to get around to playing that. If only my PC weren't little more than an ancient rope and pulley system.

Wait. You have a rope? LUXURY!

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QuarteredPen wrote:

Multiple kingdoms rising and falling… A multitude of cool weapons… Pretty much everything wants to kill you in Remnant… and to top it all off, "This Will Be The Day" warns us to "beware that the light is fading, beware as the dark returns"…

You guys know what this means, right?

Welp, game over every body. Time to go home before everyone hollows.

Anyways, here's a non-ant version of the map.

What's with the large amount of land that is just… black. And that one bit of red on the right. Those aren't normal landscapes, are they?

Edit: Oh, Penny, that flask icon is a hot drink from Monster Hunter.

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Fallenangel700 wrote:

Welp, game over every body. Time to go home before everyone hollows.

Anyways, here's a non-ant version of the map.

What's with the large amount of land that is just… black. And that one bit of red on the right. Those aren't normal landscapes, are they?

Edit: Oh, Penny, that flask icon is a hot drink from Monster Hunter.

That's actually an ant version of the map…….. forums shrink images, you have to open the image separately for the full res (right click, open image in new tab or something like that)

Fallenangel700 wrote:

But yours is the same way… Ah whatever. Question still stands. Are the black parts supposed to be mountains? And what about the red part?

But… mine is bigger…….

Anyway, I'm no cartographer but black isn't a color used on topographic maps. However red is, and it marks really high mountains (3000+ meters), brown is just mountains and hills under that. Green is flatland, plains, Savannas, Steppes, Prairies. Yellow is obviously deserts. White is snow covered areas. But black? Maybe Weiss was right…….. when she said in one of her comments on one of the images that Grimms are so many, all you can see outside of kingdoms is a huge black tide of Grimms………

Penny wrote:

But… mine is bigger…….

Anyway, I'm no cartographer but black isn't a color used on topographic maps. However red is, and it marks really high mountains (3000+ meters), brown is just mountains and hills under that. Green is flatland, plains, Savannas, Steppes, Prairies. Yellow is obviously deserts. White is snow covered areas. But black? Maybe Weiss was right…….. when she said in one of her comments on one of the images that Grimms are so many, all you can see outside of kingdoms is a huge black tide of Grimms………

The way I think of it is this: Grimm are pretty much no problem for any of us, and we're just hunters-in-training. Hell, Ruby was even able to kill a Griffon with no weapons at all, while a regular White Fang grunt was easily able to take her down.

We would still have three years of training left, if it weren't for the school being destroyed. Actual hunters, such as Qrow or Goodwitch should be able to kill hundreds of Grimm without breaking a sweat. Additionally, Hunters would most likely work in teams on dangerous missions (Still waiting for a fight scene with Qrow, Taiyang and Raven fighting together, BTW), meaning that they have an even bigger advantage.

With all this power, you would think that we would have been able to expand more and gain more territory, but we still only have a few safe places in all of Remnant. The only way that they would still be a threat that I can think of is that there must be absolutely millions of them in the wilds. There would be so many that they blot out the ground, just looking like a swirling storm of black.

So yeah, the black on the map might actually be where Grimm are particularly high in numbers.

The Grimm do seem weak, but we haven't actually seen the Wyvern in combat yet. Still, if there are that many Grimm out there, what's to stop them from destroying all life on the planet? The mere existence of so many Grimm would ruin the ecosystem in a heartbeat… I find the Grimm tide a little hard to believe.

Now, I do agree that the Grimm seem weak, so there must be something else that keeps people out of the wild. Something normal strength won't win against.
Something like this: (Ignore Salem)

I think I found our black landscape. There has to be something in this place that makes even the best hunters afraid. Either it's the black dust or maybe there's special Grimm or maybe both. Whatever it is, humans aren't welcome in this place. And if the majority of the world is covered in this environment then maybe that's why humanity is limited to such small kingdoms.

I'unno….. what you say is totally possible, I'm just wondering now, where does go Raven's rabbit hole…… erm…. portal! It looks much like the portal that always appear behind Grimms. Would post images, but right now I'm laying in bed lazy as fuck……

So I just leave this here. I have to be honest, I agree with him/her. Okay Ruby is good for what? Being a cute, has a badass weapon but that's all, yeah she wrecked shit in Red trailer, but without that weapon she can't even kill a fly! So yeah if you ask who's my favourite character? Obvious, no? Of course it's Weiss!

Penny wrote:

So I just leave this here. I have to be honest, I agree with him/her. Okay Ruby is good for what? Being a cute, has a badass weapon but that's all, yeah she wrecked shit in Red trailer, but without that weapon she can't even kill a fly! So yeah if you ask who's my favourite character? Obvious, no? Of course it's Weiss!

I have to admit, it does sometimes feel like Jaune is the main character, and Ruby is just a side-character. Like for the Battle of Beacon: Blake finally confronted Adam and ended up causing Yang's hand to be cut off. That's going to be a massive case of character development in Volume 4.

I ended up learning to summon, and ended up risking my life to save a faunus. I didn't even know I would survive, so that's a pretty big character arc completed there.

Then there's the whole story with Jaune and Pyrrha, which I'm sure I don't need to repeat.

Meanwhile, Ruby went up to a ship, fought a bad guy who didn't end up changing the way she thought or anything, went down and then saw Pyrrha die.

I'm hoping that she gets a bit more development soon, because right now she has about as much character development as Ren and Nora.

But Weiss, you could already summon. In fact, you might have doomed us all with it.

But anyways, I hadn't thought of this before, but it's completely true. Ruby's problems are shared or over shadowed by someone else. Even her "I wanna be a hero" thing is more or less shared by the others. I mean, who becomes a hunter and then wants to live a quiet life? They kinda dug a big hole with this one.

Well, Miles and Kerry wrote the last few seasons of Red vs Blue, which were absolutely great, with amazing characters being introduced and the main cast being developed more.

Hopefully now that they have a vague outline of what the story is from Monty, rather than a set structure that they had to follow, they'll be able to focus a bit more on Ruby.

Also, this is completely random, but does anyone else think we got Dust from the moon? We "discovered" Dust, and so that implies something must have triggered to have it randomly appear. I mean, given how we've seen raw dust being used it seems like it would be pretty obvious to cavemen that "Red rock go boom when thrown", so it wouldn't make much sense that its discovery was just like a regular mineral like Iron.

However, if a major event happened to destroy part of the moon, such as a meteor or something, then it would rain down upon Remnant, causing it to be embedded deep into the ground.

The problem with this theory, however, is that it doesn't work outside of our atmosphere. However, that seems like a rather odd fact to randomly bring up, in my opinion. Almost as if space is going to play a big part in the future. And what, exactly, is the closest thing to Remnant in space? Our destroyed moon.

Holy balls Weiss! It's my job to point out facts that shock the audience! But still…….. you got on the point with painful precision….. too damn precise girl! But to simply put the things and complete this, I believe Remnant might be emitting some weird energy, I mean people with Super powers (silver eye, maiden powers) just appeared outta nowhere, hell even Aura and Semblance is something out of the ordinary! I mean if you go down the street you don't see many peeps dashing fast enough to appear as a blurr……

"Red rock go boom when thrown." It's like red barrels!
And dust not working in space doesn't disprove the theory. The dust doesn't cease to exist in space. It simply doesn't work. Moon goes boom, dust falls to the earth, then it activates and humanity uses it. As of right now, that's a very likely explanation for dust's origin.

I know using this term is like begging for an argument, but Ruby is kind of a Mary Sue. Think about it. She has no obvious flaws or personal problems. Despite her age, she possesses all the skills necessary to succeed at Beacon, the headmaster implicitly trusts her, and she was immediately given her own team. The only people who don't like her are bad guys (and Weiss for a few episodes). I like Ruby. She's funny and cute and nice, but as an interesting main character, she is out shown by nearly everyone else. That is why she didn't do much in volumes 2 and 3. However, now that she's started to go through some tough times, I'm hoping she will get some genuinely good character development in season 4 and become a better main character.

I king of feel the same way about Jaune to a lesser extent. He started as a wish-fulfillment character. Despite possessing no obvious skills, he goes to Beacon, gets his own team, and the most popular girl in school wants him. However, he actually got some good character development in volumes 2 and 3. His relationship with Pyrrha, while frustratingly slow, was fun to watch develop until the big terrible thing happened. Like Ruby, I think he'll become more central to the plot in the next season and get more development.

I feel the opposite about Weiss, who has slowly become my favorite character. When introduced, she had more flaws than any main character: arrogance, ruthless ambition, racism, just being a bitch. But then we learned that her worst habits were the result of indoctrination by her family or her desperation to prove herself to her father. It was satisfying to watch her slowly shed the negative traits of her upbringing. Come to think of it, one of the earliest indicators that RWBY was capable of good character development was at the end of the first season when Weiss had to confront her racism because of the Faunus on the team. Admittedly, it was kind of lame that she went from "call the police" to "meh, I don't care anymore" within a few hours and we didn't get to see what changed her mind, but I liked that they seemed to be setting up a nice reformed racist/"you and I are not so different" arc. Then she and Blake barely talked for two seasons. How Weiss views the Faunus was not touched upon at all. It made me go, "Is that really all they had to say on that? Did that scene where Weiss accepted Blake on the team mean she reversed a lifetime of racism in ten hours? Because that's not how racism works." However, I've since noticed that the writers are playing the long game. There are tiny indicators that Weiss is changing her opinion: giving Blake the Dust cartridge, getting coffee and tea with her, summoning a giant sword to defend Velvet. I like this approach, but it would work best if there was this one big moment where Weiss finally recognizes how much she has changed. Maybe she can confront her father on his treatment of the Faunus.

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I hate to say it. My whole existence in the show is to show off how awesome the Hunters are compared to the common Joe on the street. I came in with nearly no idea what it took to be a hunter. No one explained it well enough to the non hunters what it takes and all. It's like being a hunter is to be an ultra elite ruling class over the rest of humanity. We all put our full trust and faith that the Hunters can hold back the Grimm from killing and eating all of us.

It might be good Genes to allow my to get in being a hunter, but I am so far behind nearly everyone around me. I hope in Vol 4 that I can make some real progress so I can match an average hunter.

One more thing I will say that I haven't noticed said so far here. With as dangerous as Remnant is, the average citizen is not armed at all. Back when Breach happened and when Vale was invaded. The citizens never fought back and showed they have no weapons to fight back with. I know RT would not want to be realistic in the fatalities but they had to have had losses in the hundreds if not 1,000s of people.

Add to the fact that many new settlements (i.e. Mountain Glen) get wiped out so often, wouldn't it smarter to give the majority of responsible adults access to fire arms, training to handle them and the practice to fire them skillfully enough? Sure, it won't stop the stronger Grimm, but can cut down the weaker ones. That alone might make all the difference.

Imo? This used to be the case, but with the creation of the CCTS this became unneccessary as Grimms no longer could broke in. Sure in the first years they had their weapons still but over 80 years it became worthless. Much like the messengers.

Think of it like this. What would give you less negative emotions:

A) You have weapons and training, and thus know that one day a Grimm might break in and you might be forced to try and take it down

or B) You are told that there is no way a Grimm can break in, and your hunters can easily take care of them. Thus, there is no need for weapons at all.

Remember, its a theory in-universe that negative emotions attract Grimm. The council would want their citizens to be happy as can possibly be, so that they don't bring any to their walls. If this means lying to them and acting as if there is no chance of any danger happening, so be it.

It's the same reason that they have the Vytal Festival. What better way to make the citizens feel safe and happy then showing off the prowess of the hunters-in-training? It's why the council was freaking out when Ozpin was doing his "Watch and Wait" strategy (/sarcasm: That totally worked out perfectly, by the way). They needed the festival to go smoothly, to make everyone feel as if there was no danger at all.

You're all right, I think. The cities are the safest places in the world, and thus there is little need for weapons there other than crime and crime fighting. Meanwhile, the outlying villages aren't so safe, and I'm certain that the people there are armed to the teeth. It all just depends on where the people live.

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QuarteredPen wrote:

Think of it like this. What would give you less negative emotions:

A) You have weapons and training, and thus know that one day a Grimm might break in and you might be forced to try and take it down

or B) You are told that there is no way a Grimm can break in, and your hunters can easily take care of them. Thus, there is no need for weapons at all.

Remember, its a theory in-universe that negative emotions attract Grimm. The council would want their citizens to be happy as can possibly be, so that they don't bring any to their walls. If this means lying to them and acting as if there is no chance of any danger happening, so be it.

It's the same reason that they have the Vytal Festival. What better way to make the citizens feel safe and happy then showing off the prowess of the hunters-in-training? It's why the council was freaking out when Ozpin was doing his "Watch and Wait" strategy (/sarcasm: That totally worked out perfectly, by the way). They needed the festival to go smoothly, to make everyone feel as if there was no danger at all.

A) long before the start of RWBY and now after Vol 3, this will likely become the norm now.
B) This was a nice lie told to the people to make them happy and calm. After seeing what a number of Grimm Goliath or even a lone Grimm Dragons can do. Yeah, lie fell apart and made the situation worse.

Granted plan B could have worked just fine if Cinder and her Boss Salem didn't exist to screw everything and everyone over. Things have changed now and every thing will have to change as well.

I know I'm not the smartest guy around, but I have been thinking about this. I have a new plan that might help with the new situation with the Grimm. The hunters remain the spear point against the Grimm, The professional military to be flexible to both defend or attack Grimm at the same time. With the foundation of a well trained Minute men to be the last line of defense of our cities, towns, and settlements.

With the exception of Penny, the fall of Beacon showed our reliance on robotic troops to be a disaster. More so now that Cinder can hack them and make them turn on us.

When you can show a normal guy that they can kill a Grimm, and give him the means and training to kill one. You'll see his confidence build up and the fear goes away. Much like how Pyrrha game me when she helped to train me with my own weapons and fighting style.

Fallenangel700 wrote:

You're all right, I think. The cities are the safest places in the world, and thus there is little need for weapons there other than crime and crime fighting. Meanwhile, the outlying villages aren't so safe, and I'm certain that the people there are armed to the teeth. It all just depends on where the people live.

Well, before That Grimm Dragon showed up, people did think the Cities were safe. Now, not so much. It took Ruby going Silver Saiyan to stop it. Even then, it's not completely dead. We don't know if that Dragon is the only one out there, or if there is more of them. Or worse, ultra Grimms that over shadow that Dragon.

Speaking of fighting crime, now that White Fang have gone all terrorist. Having a well armed responsible population might be the first responders to when Adam and his gang of killers show up again.

Jaune Arc wrote:

A) long before the start of RWBY and now after Vol 3, this will likely become the norm now.
B) This was a nice lie told to the people to make them happy and calm. After seeing what a number of Grimm Goliath or even a lone Grimm Dragons can do. Yeah, lie fell apart and made the situation worse.

Granted plan B could have worked just fine if Cinder and her Boss Salem didn't exist to screw everything and everyone over. Things have changed now and every thing will have to change as well.

I know I'm not the smartest guy around, but I have been thinking about this. I have a new plan that might help with the new situation with the Grimm. The hunters remain the spear point against the Grimm, The professional military to be flexible to both defend or attack Grimm at the same time. With the foundation of a well trained Minute men to be the last line of defense of our cities, towns, and settlements.

With the exception of Penny, the fall of Beacon showed our reliance on robotic troops to be a disaster. More so now that Cinder can hack them and make them turn on us.

When you can show a normal guy that they can kill a Grimm, and give him the means and training to kill one. You'll see his confidence build up and the fear goes away. Much like how Pyrrha game me when she helped to train me with my own weapons and fighting style.

Gee thanks Jaune, cause of people like you, I have to suffer… and so do the other synths. I think you will eventually don't need Cinder to hack us, if you want robots to attack humans.

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