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Updated my prediction list based on General Shi Gai's Info, however I did not change Lucina's or Jigglypuff's Status on it. Lucina because I don't get why people where mistaking her for a Marth Skin, and Jigglypuff because there is no evidence to her inclusion what-so-ever as of right now besides the single "Original Vetran Auto-Get In".

It should be noted that a Mechon Trophy,(The enemies from Xenoblade) has apparently been spotted in Smash Run for 3DS. Though it's just a rumor. See here

@Nats
Story mode? Eh? I didn't think there was a story mode. Besides, even if there was one, it wouldn't be Hades (Sakurai is cheeky about Kid Icarus, but I'd say that takes the cake). I'd wager they'd go the Taboo route and make it an original character. Again though, story mode is confirmed as not happening.

And if a Splatoon rep happened then I would find Sakurai right now AND I WOULD MARRY HIM.

And if I may ask, where was it confirmed that Mr Game and Watch would return?

Sorry that I'm only replying to this now, never read it in full before

@Random 21 Skip to 1:20. It seems to at least be a hint. Though remember the G&W is always a secret character, so that's why he's probably not on the site.

Late to the party, but dayum, nobody saw that one coming. We now have extra waifus.

Considering how late in development they are already, and the fact that the roster was chosen much much earlier in the games' development, a splatoon rep seems unlikely as a character. But who knows? We might get an assist trophy or a trophy based off of the inklings.

>implying lucina wasn't my waifu since the day I got Fire Emblem: Awakening

>implying you don't have to fight Verbose over those rights.

Also, did anyone notice the question mark during Lucina's "Wakes Her Blade?!"?

Are we looking at a joke here because technically she wields the Parallel Falchion, or is it more?

I think it may have been to increase the effect of the bait and switch. Because the gematsu leak talked about Chrom showing up, so they showed Chrom in the trailer, and got everyone ready for Chrom, then all of a sudden, Lucina?! Sakurai is the master of trolling.

Sorry, I meant "Adventure Mode" like the mode in Melee. It's just a prediction of mine but I assume some sort of special modes are going to be in the Home Console version.

And Mr. Game and Watch was in the PacMan Reveal trailer, however I wager he hasn't been given an official profile yet because he was not done yet.

Edited the list to fix the adventure mode typo.

As for the Splatoon Rep, I kinda pulled that idea from Zero Punctuation where Yahtzee remarked that they "Probably needed some new material for the next Smash Brothers." I know it's a slim chance but there is hope.

You should add rayman to the speculation thing. I mean, it would be kinda strange if they made a trophy of him (someone who is a third-party character, who is also barely linked to nintendo) just to be a trophy. I really do think he'll show up in one way or another.

Oh I see. An Adventure mode was pretty much confirmed during the E3 presentation, something similar was shown in the preview. There was also a kind of difficulty mechanic like the one in Kid Icarus: Uprising. And that Yahtzee review was his most cynical yet, oh well.

But I agree that Rayman should be added to speculation, there's a very real chance that the trophy may be a hint. Very, very slim chance though.

Bit of conflicting info there.

On one hand, Rayman and Wonder Red are representing two companies who have nothing to do with the playable characters in there, so there is a chance of a Platinum Games and Ubisoft Representative.

On the other hand, Sakurai says he wouldn't be adding in 3rd Party Characters in haphazardly. And after having like 3 major 3rd Party Characters from 3 Different Companies, the chance of another 3rd party character making it in is very VERY low.

Not to mention, trophy reveals have in the past usually been clear signs of "Lets Play The Guess Who's Not Playable In Smash Game~!"

I know your post was for General Shi Gai but…

The main difference between Wonder Red and Rayman, though, is that Nintendo published and co-developed The Wonderful 101, whereas Rayman doesn't have that going for him to the best of my knowledge.

Yes. Just yes.

Also, Wonderful 101 was a nintendo exclusive title, and it seems like Platinum Games is leaning more towards nintendo than any other company… (with bayonetta 2 including bayonetta 1 and being a WiiU exclusive.) Whereas Rayman is linked more towards sony having most of his games on Playstation consoles, and ubisoft doesn't seem to be leaning with nintendo as much as platinum is, as they released Rayman Legends on other consoles when it was planned to be WiiU exclusive.

What do you think the alternate costumes for Robin and Lucina will be?

Lucina has a lot going for her. There's at least four I found:

And Robin has the Grandmaster outfit…

There's also the Dark Knight and Dread Fighter classes which both use swords and tomes but the Dread Fighter is male exclusive unless Sakurai decides to give Female Robin a DF outfit.

Oh man, if they added a Yukata outfit…

Next time I update the list I will note that there might be an "Ubisoft Representative" and a "Platinum Games Representative", but I honestly feel that it won't be Rayman.

I'm avoiding my excess 3rd party character predictions because I was earlier boasting that the Namco Rep was going to be a Tales Character; Who, despite having the freaken director of Tales of Symphonia and Vesperia co-directing the game, got EASILY pushed aside for Pacman.

Also, I am apprehensive to add any more people to the list because anything beyond 50 characters is REAAAAAALY pushing it, which I already am.

What is it with my favourite characters not returning for sequels? First Mewtwo, now Snake.
Watch, in this one, I'll get a new favourite, and they won't be back for the fifth game.

I think the fact that Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain is not coming to Wii U was probably the final nail in the coffin for Snake in smash. Kojima can't expect Snake to be in Smash if he doesn't want to release MGS games on Wii U.

Well, if you go to the Smashbros site, you'll find this picture.

So I would find the odds of a masked marth costume for Lucina highly plausible. The mask is programmed in the game already anyways. Things like the Yukata, not so much. It doesn't even make sense for a fighting costume.

But that Yukata pic made me realise that Lucina was actually more likeable than Chrom. Throughout all the fan-DLC, where fans would be able to choose which characters would get special interactions, Lucina was always victorious while Chrom only limited times.

>Lucina was actually more likeable than Chrom
YOU TAKE THAT BACK

Has anyone heard info on tournements and stage biulding and about online integration of those features? I loved the features in brawl but has anyone have any news about it?

Not yet! And I'm desperately hunting news about it too.
It would be a shame if Nintendo trashed it this time. I'm hoping instead they made it like mario Maker.

Guys, check this out

Given that the magazine always seems to get leaked anyway, we may not have to wait until next month. Even if it doesn't reveal everyone as the article says, if it does reveal anything it will be awesome.

To be honest, I prefer it when Nintendo does the reveal themselves with the character introduction videos. They generate WAAAAY more hype.

I don't think Sakurai would want everyone revealed. He'll probably have some characters be kept a secret until the game is released.

You wish, you flaming homosexual.

But it depends on where you go:

• The Nintendo poll had it split up in favorite male and female characer. And as expected, Chrom and Lucina won. With Robin placing high on both ends (3rd male and 2nd female).
• There was a Knights of Iris poll, which was also split up by gender. Here they both won again. However, Chrom won with 11.2% of the votes for males, whereas Lucina won with 15% of the votes for females.
• Then there's this other poll from Serene Forest which had all characters combined. Chrom won here with a score of 184 out of 2000 points. Lucina was split up here in masked (159 points, 2nd place) and unmasked (127 points, shared 3rd place with Gaius). Combine those points, and Lucina got a whopping 286 points.
• The GoNintendo poll had Lucina listed as "Marth," but she won anyways with a devastating score of 1820 votes with Chrom getting just 665 votes.

So overal, I believe it's fair to say Lucina did got more love than Chrom.

LOL! That's a good one!

Got bored and made this.

To clarify: I think there will only be ONE more Pokemon in the game. It will either be Jiggs, Mewtwo, or Sceptile.

Would anyone care to explain the situation regarding these new characters? Did one of them get the shaft or something?

Chrom, Lucina, and Robin were all three major protagonists in the highly popular recent installment of Fire Emblem, Fire Emblem: Awakening. The following descriptions may be spoilers depending on if you're planning to play the game.

• "Robin" is the player character. He's an avatar for you of which you can change the looks and his name, but his default looks, voice, and name, are all as Robin is designed. If you don't want or need to personalize the Avatar in Awakening, you end up with Robin (and likewise, female Robin if you pick a female character).
• Chrom is the second main protagonist alongside Robin. He's the Prince/King of the country (depending on the stage of the story), and a major character because of that. He's comparable to Marth and Ike in their games. Like Robin, him dying in the game will result in a Game Over right away, whereas other characters (including Lucina) are allowed to die.
• Lucina is a major plot character. Future child of Chrom, and wants to fix her own future. She's not as important to the plot as Robin or Chrom, but still highly important.

Because of Chrom being a lot like Marth and Ike in their games, it was highly predictable he would be the Fire Emblem: Awakening representative. However, against all odds, they chose Lucina and Robin. Chrom on the other hand, was reduced to a "summon" during Robin's Final Smash and not a playable character.

So yeah, Chrom got the shaft basically. Popularity wise, it makes sense they went with Robin and Lucina. But plot wise, Chrom was the more obvious choice. His sword style is nearly identical to that of Lucina (because they're related), so Chrom and Lucina really wasn't the option, but for example making Lucina an alternate costume for Chrom could've been.

@Nats
If there's gonna be another pokemon, it's gonna be Jigglypuff, that makes the most sense. So you don't think that Choir Boy will make the cut? Or would that come under the surprises? Other than that I mostly agree (you already know my stance on returning characters), but as for new ones, the only ones I disagree with are the Ubi and Platinum reps.

If a Ubi rep is going to be in, it would be Rayman, but what makes me think that's not likely is Sakurai's phrasing during the trophy announcement. There was none of Sakurai's usual coyness from when he is teasing something, instead he was very plain and serious (like he is with just general screenshots). Usually he's a bit more playful when he's hinting at something, and I don't think he'd an unveil a Rayman trophy and not be coy if he was a playable character. For a Platinum rep it's either Bayonetta or Wonder Red, and the latter I don't think will be in due to the same reason for Rayman, whereas with Bayonetta… I dunno, there's just something about that choice that I don't think they'd go for.

I do agree with Shulk and the new villain though, so there's that.

@R21:

About Jigglypuff: Yeah, Jiggs has the added bonus of being a Veteran. However Jiggs also has the bit of a problem that she's becoming INCREASINGLY irrelevant in the Pokemon Media. Because of that, I think Jiggs has the highest potential out of any of the other Pokemon to return, but I think that another Pokemon could equally steal that spot.

About the Choir Boys: I have a Strong feeling that Rhythm Heaven is going to be getting representation. However just assuming it's the Choir Boys at this point doesn't have any more ground to hold it now that the Gematsu Leak has been disprove. The only thing we do know is that Rhythm Heaven is represented in Smash Run and does have a high chance of appearing. But which Rhythm Heaven character will it be? Choir Boys? The Wrestler? Marshal?

And yes, I consider a Rhythm Heaven, Captain Rainbow, or any other Underground Nintendo Character to be a "Surprise Character". Hell, we might get Non-Specific Action Figure.

About Ubisoft: Despite not wanting to believe it, now that Rayman has a trophy I do know that "Ubisoft is involved." So suddenly a 3rd party representation is possible.

BUT I should have slapped a Percentage up there. I feel Ubisoft has a like 1-5% chance of getting their character in the game at this point. I mostly added that in because the people here where nagging me.

About Platinum Games: THESE guys I think have a higher chance than Ubisoft to get something into the game. But like the Ubisoft Post, I regret not having put a Percentage on there. 20% Chance. (And Bayonetta's Poledancing CrotchThrusting Hair Clothing Stripping to pull off powerful attacks would have to be avoided in order to keep the T rating, so I agree with you there)

About Issac: This is just clinging onto a thread of hope. He's not been shown off as an Assist Trophy so he has a SLIGHT chance for a promotion.

About Shulk: I don't even need to remark on this one. It seems almost given.

And Lastly: New Villian.

Just going to point out. Wario, Ganondorf, Meta Knight, and Wolf have not been revealed yet.

What If The Next Reveal Trailer was an Awesome "Villains Scheming" Reveal Trailer!? Where they use it to announce the Rest of the Villains And The New One!?

@Nats
Yeah, that's the main reason I'm kinda eh on Jigglypuff is because of how irrelevant he/she/it is now, like you said. However, the veteran status still may count for something. I mean, lets be frank here, Pokemon has a high chance of getting 5 reps, I'd be surprised of it didn't. So bearing that in mind, Jigglypuff seems the logical assumption. It seems more likely, I think the only other chance is Mewtwo, but I still don't think he's turning up

To be honest, I would've thought that if any Rhythm Heaven character is to come in, it would've been Marshall, considering he's kind of the face of the series now. The only other possibility I would've thought of other than that is mainly Karate Joe considering that's the only other recurring Rhythm Heaven character (but that pick seems a bit stale of an option, they'd probably want to pick something more strange and creative). Choir Boy does make sense when you think about it though, considering that that minigame has always held up as one of the most well known minigames from Rhythm Heaven. To be honest I just can't wait to see what stage they would get if they were included, imagine a Rhythm Heaven stage like the WarioWare one, where you get bonuses for attacking on beat. That would be awesome.

Captain Rainbow is a pipe dream. An awesome pipe dream, but a pipe dream nonetheless. I just really want to see that character, he seemed so awesome. And if a Non-Specific Action Figure turned up then I would buy as many copies of the game as possible. Nintendo should have capitalized on that character before the hype train rode away.

I agree on what you said on Platinum and Ubi. I will say this though, if Platinum did get a rep, who would it be? If it was Wonder Red, then I'd put his chances as low as Rayman for previously mentioned reasons.

Isaac has about as much chance of getting in as, say, a Sin and Punishment or Advance Wars character. And by that I mean less than no chance. You have to think, do Nintendo really care about Golden Sun enough to put a character in the roster. I'd say your hopes are entirely riding on what happened after this interview from 2012.

I'll eat my hat, my 3DS, my Wii U, and both copies of the game if Shulk doesn't make it in.

And the new villain, who do you think it could be? I'm not entirely sold on the idea of Hades, as I've mentioned before, but who knows. Interesting that you note that those characters haven't been announced yet though.

About villains: So, to get the obvious picks, I narrowed down the choices based on the following conditions:

• Primary Antagonist
• Who was in Multiple Games
• Who's Franchise is represented with more than 1 Character Slot.
• Who's Franchise doesn't already have a villain revealed or has a potential villain returning.

So who does that leave us with?

• King K Rool (Supposedly a Boss in Smash Run but No Proof.)
• Ridley (Already a Stage Hazard, or so they say. It seemed pretty fishy, but I won't be sad if it isn't him.)
• Black Knight (One of the few villains who have personal beef with the main character, and also one of the few villains who appears in multiple games and is even playable at a few points, however Fire Emblem will likely not be represented any further. He might appear as a boss in the Fire Emblem stage however.)
• Hades (Seems more likely than Medusa anyways. But is also FAAAAAAAAAR too big. He makes Ridley's Size laughable. Again, more like a Boss Character.)
• Medusa (Even though Hades might bypass the Multiple Games rule, Medusa was in more games than Hades, so in reality it should default to her. Though would be far too OP because her ability to turn things to stone would be devastating with a Throw → Petrify)

Oh, it might be worth mentioning I didn't include Pokemon on that list because Mewtwo fits the bill (And Jiggs is a fucking Phyco), and I have no clue who the villains are in Mother besides Porky who apparently was a boss last time.

What is this Super Fire Emblem Bros?
Not that I'm complaining or anything.

If they put in Medusa, I would shit a brick. I fuckin' loved Medusa as a villain in Uprising. But it may not be her… King K. Rool seems like the most obvious choice for a "new" villain. Baby Bowser is also possible, seeing as he is the villain of the yoshi's island series. Ghirahim could be a possible character, seeing as he wasn't shown yet. This one may never be possible, but it would be badass to see SA-X from metroid fusion be a character, sporting the classic varia suit. But seeing how much she looks like samus, it won't happen.
*Also, I just realized that every Smash game since melee has had a Classic NES character who hasn't had a game in years. Melee had Ice Climbers, Brawl had Pit and ROB, And Smash 4 has Lil' Mac (although he had the wii punch out.) and kinda Balloon Fighter with the Villager's recovery move. Who knows, maybe we'll get some other classic NES character.

I'm no Xnenoblade Fan, but since X is coming to the Wii U Exclusively, There is no doubt that Xnenoblade will have some representation, assist trophies or just a playable character.The One more pokemon is certainly Jiggs, Sakurai never cuts out a member from the original roster. As for a Ubisoft rep, I think there will be a rep, but Im praying that it wont be those annoying rabbits.As for a new villian, My money is hoping for Ghirahim or Demise. Platinum Games could be that suprise character, or even the legendary too big…Who knows….

Great Ranking by the way.

We have two Famitsu scans for our recently announced characters.

I also found a post from r/smashbros that explains the details of these scans.

I just thought of someone who could appear that fits the bill as a villain…
Masked Man from Mother 3. He's kinda the main antagonist of Mother 3, and he has all the fighting moves needed. Figuring Lucas has a lower chance of coming back, Masked Man could take his place. Also, he's like the coolest character in Mother 3.

Kinda broken logic there.

>Removes the Mother 3 Represent Main Character.
>Adds Mother 3 Villain.

It would be like removing Mario but keeping Bowser, or removing Link but keeping Ganon. It would only work if they kept Lucas.

Quickly disregarding all the rules I made up besides "Must already have his series represented", potential villians I can see working are:

• Bowser Jr (Final Boss (Kinda)) (based on Sunshine. Uses Brush as primary weapon to create damage zones)
• King K. Rool (Final Boss)
• Dark Link (Final Boss) (Based off his Preferred Item Loadout in 4 Swords; Pegasus Boots, Magic Hammer, Fire Rod, Roc's Feather, and a Giant Bomb being his Final Smash)
• Vatti (Final Boss) (Uses Wind Magic and transforms into the giant floating eyeball on top of a tornado for his Final Smash)
• Girahim (Fan Favorite)
• Ridley (Recurring, Fan Favorite, and one time Final Boss)
• Dark Samus (Final Boss) (Already Assist Trophy but whatever, she was viable)
• Gary Motherfucking Oak (Final Boss) (Would have worked but Pokemon Trainer got cut)
• Leon (Recurring) (Not the Resident Evil one, the lizard man on Star Wolf. I choose him over Pigma and Andrew because Pigma is too damn fat and Andrew is forgettable.)
• Panther (Recurring and Fan Favorite?) (as a partner for Wolf. Though would really only work of Krystal was confirmed.)
• Black Shadow (Final Boss?) (If only for the merit of recreating the ending to the F-Zero anime)
• Black Knight (Recurring) (This guy killed Ike's Father, and survived having a castle collapse on him after taking a dragon laser straight to the face. It's hard to find a worthy Fire Emblem villian besides Black Knight because Black Knight is both the closest thing to a final villian who is present for the entirety of both games and isn't a Dragon, Dragon Rider, or God)
• Medusa (Final Boss and Recurring)
• Hades (Final Boss)
• Dr. Eggman (Final Boss) (We know Ow the Edge is an assist trophy again, so that just leaves the good doctor. Though if Expand Dong met Pingas we would never heard the end of it.)
• King Hippo (Recurring) (Probably the most iconic opponent in the Punch Out series. Any of the other characters would work just as fine though.)

@nats
I could totally see Bowser Jr. having a cool moveset. But we must also bear in mind that the character was snubbed from Mario Kart 8. If he's not high enough priority for MK, then he's definitely not for Smash. Other than that, I like the rest, although I admittedly really don't care whether the legendary too big is in or not (sue me). Black Knight, Dark Samus, Legendary too big and Dark Link are the only ones I say would have little to no chance of getting in.

On a separate note, why don't you flex your forum mod powers and feature this thread? Maybe rename the title to something nicer like "KYM Smash Bros. General", and then we can make it feel more official.

Sakurai talks about Robin and Lucina and explains why Chrom wasn't added to the roster.

@nats (idk why but the reply system seems to have broken.)
There's a couple of other villains you could add there that count as villains…
-Silver the Hedgehog (If he does appear, they better make all of his grabs his famous "ITS NO USE")
-Marx (Kirby)
-Magolor (Kirby)
-The Shake King or Captain Syrup (The Wario series has only 1 character, so the shake king or Captain Syrup could act as a villain. They're also the only wario villain that seemed to be able to work a character.)
<Also, on the topic of Lucas and the Masked Man. Seeing how similar Lucas' move set is to Ness' it is likely he's gonna get the shaft. But there's also that chance that he'll be an alt. for Ness. So if that happens, Masked Man can still be possible.>

What do you guys think of a retro character like Takamaru, Mach Rider or Stanley the Bugman making it into Smash? Takamaru has been in Samurai Warriors, Captain Rainbow and Nintendoland, there have been rumors for a while about a Mach Rider remake, and Stanley has had 2 Game & Watch games and had multiple appearances in Warioware.

With retro 80's characters like the Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Pit, Palutena and Pac-Man, I get the feeling those 3 could make it in somehow.

Keep in mind, with Little Mac and PacMan we already have two retro representatives for this time around. Well… kinda I guess. They could be considered that.

As for who else we might get in the ways of Retro Characters, I have a feeling it would be Takamaru, being that he got recent series representation in Nintendo Land. But we are really scrapeing the bottom of the barrel here now.