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Overview

Joker: Folie à Deux, also known as Joker 2, is the 2024 sequel to the 2019 DC Comics film Joker, directed by Todd Phillips and starring Joaquin Phoenix as Arthur Fleck, Joker, and Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta (Lady Gaga) as Harley Quinn. The title translates from French to English, "Madness for Two." Joker: Folie à Deux was announced in June 2022, generating viral discussion across social media on platforms like Twitter / X and Reddit, among others. The sequel became highly anticipated both for its film potential and meme potential based on the various memes created by the first Joker film. Viral posts about the movie also surfaced when Lady Gaga was announced as Harley Quinn. The film was released in American theaters on October 4th, 2024. It was panned by both critics and fans, generating a low Rotten Tomatoes score. The film was largely mocked in memes and viral posts. However, others argued against the backlash, sparking viral discourse.

History

Announcement

On June 7th, 2022, director Todd Phillips posted a two-image carousel post on Instagram[1] that led with the cover of a screenplay titled, "Joker: Folie à Deux" (shown below, left). The secondary image was a black-and-white photo of Phillips writing in a windowed room while smoking a cigarette (shown below, right). In less than a day, Phillips' post received roughly 242,900 likes. The release date was not announced during the initial reveal.

May 18, 2022) JOKER Folie à Deux Written by Scott Silver & Todd Phillips
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Reactions and Memes

Immediately on June 7th, 2022, multiple outlets across social media relayed Phillips' Instagram post. For instance, the Twitter[2] page DiscussingFilm posted an announcement tweet on June 7th that earned roughly 52,500 likes in less than a day. News outlet Variety also wrote an article[4] and posted a tweet[3] on June 7th that received roughly 27,500 likes in the same amount of time.

Going into the first week of June 2022, the idea of a Joker sequel started to receive meme attention on social media. For instance, on June 7th, Twitter[5] user PopeAwesomeXIII tweeted, "The fact that there's gonna be a Joker 2 just means Batman isn't doing his god damn job," earning over 270 likes in one day (shown below, left). Also on June 7th, Twitter[6] user MrTonyNacho photoshopped the album cover for Fall Out Boy's album Folie à Deux onto the screenplay cover, earning over 890 likes in one day (shown below, right).

President Warren G. Harding @PopeAwesomeXIII The fact that there's gonna be a Joker 2 just means Batman isn't doing his god damn job 8:31 PM Jun 7, 2022. Twitter Web App . 73 Retweets 3 Quote Tweets 277 Likes
Anthony @MrTonyNacho Interesting creative choice to make the Joker sequel a Fall Out Boy jukebox musical JOKER Folie à Deux Written by Scott Silver & Todd Phillips May 18, 2022 8:46 PM Jun 7, 2022 Twitter for iPhone .
Willem Dafoe in Joker Sequel

Amid the announcement of the Joker sequel, some internet users resurfaced an article written by Forbes[7] in January 2019 that focused on statements made by actor Willem Dafoe about his, "Crazy Idea For A ‘Joker’ Sequel." He's already known for playing the Spider-man villain the Green Goblin. Forbes cited an interview Dafoe had with British GQ[8] where he fantasized about playing a "Joker imposter" in a sequel of Phillips' Joker. The translation of the title, "Madness for Two," hinted to many that this could be a possibility.

On June 7th, 2022, Twitter[9] user RawbertBeef posted the Forbes article, stating, "MAKE IT. MAKE THE MOVIE, TODD," and earning over 170 likes in less than a day (shown below, left). Also on June 7th, Twitter[10] user PattyNest tweeted, "If Willem Dafoe isnt in Joker 2 then i don't want it," earning roughly 1,200 likes in the same amount of time (shown below, right).

Kasey-Wan Kenobi @RawbertBeef MAKE IT. MAKE THE MOVIE, TODD. GENEMITION forbes.com Willem Dafoe Has A Crazy Idea For A 'Joker' Sequel Joaquin Phoenix's Joker seems to have inspired Willem Dafoe. 7:23 PM Jun 7, 2022. Twitter for iPhone ... SIND NE SE NO SEND BE
Patrick Nestor III @PattyNest If Willem Dafoe isnt in Joker 2 then i don't want it 8:05 PM Jun 7, 2022. Twitter Web App . :

Lady Gaga Announced As Harley Quinn

On June 13th, 2022, rumors[11] started to spread that the American singer Lady Gaga, Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, was in talks to join Joker's forthcoming sequel alongside Joaquin Phoenix. The news spurred memes and reactions from fans of the singer and the movie. Twitter user @therealsupes[2] commented about the impact Lady Gaga would have as Harley Quinn, receiving over 600 retweets and 6,000 likes in nine months.

SUPES Matt Ramos @therealsupes ... A Joker sequel that's a musical with Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn is going to be a cultural reset. Traduzir Tweet 9:27 PM - 13 de jun de 2022 528 Retweets 84 Tweets com comentário 6.092 Curtidas

On August 4th, 2022, Lady Gaga was confirmed[12] as the new actress portraying Harley Quinn in the DC Comic movie Joker: Folie à Deux.

Going into 2023, memes using promo pics of Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn surfaced online, like one Whisper post shared by X[13] user @shitpostjenna on April 6th, gaining over 1,000 likes in a year (shown below).

Me at six o'clock in the morning before leaving the house, with a smile on my face and full of desire to live and talk to people <3

Trailer Release

On April 9th, 2024, the official teaser trailer for Joker: Folie à Deux was posted to YouTube,[14] amassing over 36.7 million views in six months (shown below).

A few months later, on July 23rd, the official trailer for the film was uploaded to YouTube,[15] gaining over 30 million views in three months (shown below).

Reception

Following the film's October 2024 release, critics panned it, like Slate[16] critic Dana Stevens on October 4th, writing, "By any reasonable measure this is a terrible movie, too long and too self-serious and way too dramatically inert, a regrettable waste of its lead actors’ boundless commitment to even their most thinly written roles." Similarly, New York Times[17] critic Manohla Dargis wrote, "'Joker: Folie à Deux' is such a dour, unpleasant slog that it is hard to know why it was made or for whom."

On Rotten Tomatoes,[18] the film received a 33% Tomatometer score and a 31% Popcornmeter score by critics and audience members.

Online Presence

In October 2024, internet users reacted to the film with memes and viral posts. For instance, on October 3rd, X[19] user @ninewontmiss tweeted a video of comedian Shane Gillis putting a firearm in his mouth, "Me after watching Joker 2. They just wanted Lady Gaga to sing. The film had no plot, just vibes. I want my 3 hours back," receiving over 60,000 likes in four days (shown below).

Similarly, on October 4th, X[20] user @willfulchaos tweeted a video of a disappointed woman green-screened multiple times in a movie theater setting, captioned, "my theater every time joker and harley started singing in joker 2," receiving over 6,900 likes in three days (shown below).

Alternatively, others attested that they enjoyed the film, such as X[21] user @subtoconnorpls on October 5th, who wrote, "i have something to say about joker 2," captioning a video of actor Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle in The Punisher saying in a courtroom, "I liked it!" The tweet amassed over 29,000 likes in two days (shown below).

Similar posts including discourse and takes surfaced on Reddit during the same timeframe. For instance, on September 30th, Redditor[22] Kazrules posted to /r/boxoffice, writing, "I have never seen a movie lose so much hype than Joker 2." The Redditor alleged that the film would suffer in the box office because of the lack of "hype" surrounding the film following the La Biennale di Venezia film festival. The Redditor's post received over 6,900 upvotes in a week (shown below).

r/boxoffice ⚫7 days ago Kazrules I have never seen a movie lose so much hype than Joker 2 ✓ Original Analysis Joker Folie a Deux comes out in three days. But ever since Venice, the amount of ads that I have seen has dramatically decreased. No one is talking about the movie on social media anymore. The film has been completely snuffed out of every awards conversation. Lady Gaga released a companion album to no fanfare. It is an absolute ghosttown in terms of hype. The first teaser got 36M views. The second got 27M. I know trailer views aren't everything—but these numbers were strong. I don't buy the narrative that no one was interested in a Joker sequel. The interest was there, but the festival reactions just torpedoed this whole movie. The only film I can compare it to would be Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, which had a moderate degree of interest until its middling festival reviews as well. Could this spell the end for blockbuster movies premiering at prestigious film festivals? The crowds don't like them, and they only serve to give a movie negative press weeks before release. With the lack of promotion, I'm getting the sense that Warner Bros is A.) extremely disappointed and probably upset, and B.) just biding their time until DC gets a full factory reset with Superman. But with these many bombs in a row, Superman is in an extremely vulnerable position. This has to be the worst time to be a DC fan.

Joker Raped in "Folie à Deux"

Joker Raped in Folie à Deux refers to a scene that heavily implies the character Arthur Fleck / Joker is sexually assaulted by prison guards in the 2024 film Joker: Folie à Deux. The scene became a subject of controversy online as many users expressed dissatisfaction with it and the film as a whole, and it was a prevalent subject of memes on X / Twitter and 4chan's /tv/ board in early October 2024.

2MiB, 1581x1054, LOL.png Anonymous Thu 03 Oct 2024 22:42:25 No.204128961 Quoted By: >>204128991 >>204129009 >gets r---- >stops being joker what did they mean by this View

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Overview

Joker: Folie à Deux, also known as Joker 2, is the 2024 sequel to the 2019 DC Comics film Joker, directed by Todd Phillips and starring Joaquin Phoenix as Arthur Fleck, Joker, and Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta (Lady Gaga) as Harley Quinn. The title translates from French to English, "Madness for Two." Joker: Folie à Deux was announced in June 2022, generating viral discussion across social media on platforms like Twitter / X and Reddit, among others. The sequel became highly anticipated both for its film potential and meme potential based on the various memes created by the first Joker film. Viral posts about the movie also surfaced when Lady Gaga was announced as Harley Quinn. The film was released in American theaters on October 4th, 2024. It was panned by both critics and fans, generating a low Rotten Tomatoes score. The film was largely mocked in memes and viral posts. However, others argued against the backlash, sparking viral discourse.

History

Announcement

On June 7th, 2022, director Todd Phillips posted a two-image carousel post on Instagram[1] that led with the cover of a screenplay titled, "Joker: Folie à Deux" (shown below, left). The secondary image was a black-and-white photo of Phillips writing in a windowed room while smoking a cigarette (shown below, right). In less than a day, Phillips' post received roughly 242,900 likes. The release date was not announced during the initial reveal.


May 18, 2022) JOKER Folie à Deux Written by Scott Silver & Todd Phillips 心

Reactions and Memes

Immediately on June 7th, 2022, multiple outlets across social media relayed Phillips' Instagram post. For instance, the Twitter[2] page DiscussingFilm posted an announcement tweet on June 7th that earned roughly 52,500 likes in less than a day. News outlet Variety also wrote an article[4] and posted a tweet[3] on June 7th that received roughly 27,500 likes in the same amount of time.

Going into the first week of June 2022, the idea of a Joker sequel started to receive meme attention on social media. For instance, on June 7th, Twitter[5] user PopeAwesomeXIII tweeted, "The fact that there's gonna be a Joker 2 just means Batman isn't doing his god damn job," earning over 270 likes in one day (shown below, left). Also on June 7th, Twitter[6] user MrTonyNacho photoshopped the album cover for Fall Out Boy's album Folie à Deux onto the screenplay cover, earning over 890 likes in one day (shown below, right).


President Warren G. Harding @PopeAwesomeXIII The fact that there's gonna be a Joker 2 just means Batman isn't doing his god damn job 8:31 PM Jun 7, 2022. Twitter Web App . 73 Retweets 3 Quote Tweets 277 Likes Anthony @MrTonyNacho Interesting creative choice to make the Joker sequel a Fall Out Boy jukebox musical JOKER Folie à Deux Written by Scott Silver & Todd Phillips May 18, 2022 8:46 PM Jun 7, 2022 Twitter for iPhone .

Willem Dafoe in Joker Sequel

Amid the announcement of the Joker sequel, some internet users resurfaced an article written by Forbes[7] in January 2019 that focused on statements made by actor Willem Dafoe about his, "Crazy Idea For A ‘Joker’ Sequel." He's already known for playing the Spider-man villain the Green Goblin. Forbes cited an interview Dafoe had with British GQ[8] where he fantasized about playing a "Joker imposter" in a sequel of Phillips' Joker. The translation of the title, "Madness for Two," hinted to many that this could be a possibility.

On June 7th, 2022, Twitter[9] user RawbertBeef posted the Forbes article, stating, "MAKE IT. MAKE THE MOVIE, TODD," and earning over 170 likes in less than a day (shown below, left). Also on June 7th, Twitter[10] user PattyNest tweeted, "If Willem Dafoe isnt in Joker 2 then i don't want it," earning roughly 1,200 likes in the same amount of time (shown below, right).


Kasey-Wan Kenobi @RawbertBeef MAKE IT. MAKE THE MOVIE, TODD. GENEMITION forbes.com Willem Dafoe Has A Crazy Idea For A 'Joker' Sequel Joaquin Phoenix's Joker seems to have inspired Willem Dafoe. 7:23 PM Jun 7, 2022. Twitter for iPhone ... SIND NE SE NO SEND BE Patrick Nestor III @PattyNest If Willem Dafoe isnt in Joker 2 then i don't want it 8:05 PM Jun 7, 2022. Twitter Web App . :

Lady Gaga Announced As Harley Quinn

On June 13th, 2022, rumors[11] started to spread that the American singer Lady Gaga, Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, was in talks to join Joker's forthcoming sequel alongside Joaquin Phoenix. The news spurred memes and reactions from fans of the singer and the movie. Twitter user @therealsupes[2] commented about the impact Lady Gaga would have as Harley Quinn, receiving over 600 retweets and 6,000 likes in nine months.


SUPES Matt Ramos @therealsupes ... A Joker sequel that's a musical with Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn is going to be a cultural reset. Traduzir Tweet 9:27 PM - 13 de jun de 2022 528 Retweets 84 Tweets com comentário 6.092 Curtidas

On August 4th, 2022, Lady Gaga was confirmed[12] as the new actress portraying Harley Quinn in the DC Comic movie Joker: Folie à Deux.

Going into 2023, memes using promo pics of Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn surfaced online, like one Whisper post shared by X[13] user @shitpostjenna on April 6th, gaining over 1,000 likes in a year (shown below).


Me at six o'clock in the morning before leaving the house, with a smile on my face and full of desire to live and talk to people <3

Trailer Release

On April 9th, 2024, the official teaser trailer for Joker: Folie à Deux was posted to YouTube,[14] amassing over 36.7 million views in six months (shown below).



A few months later, on July 23rd, the official trailer for the film was uploaded to YouTube,[15] gaining over 30 million views in three months (shown below).



Reception

Following the film's October 2024 release, critics panned it, like Slate[16] critic Dana Stevens on October 4th, writing, "By any reasonable measure this is a terrible movie, too long and too self-serious and way too dramatically inert, a regrettable waste of its lead actors’ boundless commitment to even their most thinly written roles." Similarly, New York Times[17] critic Manohla Dargis wrote, "'Joker: Folie à Deux' is such a dour, unpleasant slog that it is hard to know why it was made or for whom."

On Rotten Tomatoes,[18] the film received a 33% Tomatometer score and a 31% Popcornmeter score by critics and audience members.

Online Presence

In October 2024, internet users reacted to the film with memes and viral posts. For instance, on October 3rd, X[19] user @ninewontmiss tweeted a video of comedian Shane Gillis putting a firearm in his mouth, "Me after watching Joker 2. They just wanted Lady Gaga to sing. The film had no plot, just vibes. I want my 3 hours back," receiving over 60,000 likes in four days (shown below).


Similarly, on October 4th, X[20] user @willfulchaos tweeted a video of a disappointed woman green-screened multiple times in a movie theater setting, captioned, "my theater every time joker and harley started singing in joker 2," receiving over 6,900 likes in three days (shown below).


Alternatively, others attested that they enjoyed the film, such as X[21] user @subtoconnorpls on October 5th, who wrote, "i have something to say about joker 2," captioning a video of actor Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle in The Punisher saying in a courtroom, "I liked it!" The tweet amassed over 29,000 likes in two days (shown below).


Similar posts including discourse and takes surfaced on Reddit during the same timeframe. For instance, on September 30th, Redditor[22] Kazrules posted to /r/boxoffice, writing, "I have never seen a movie lose so much hype than Joker 2." The Redditor alleged that the film would suffer in the box office because of the lack of "hype" surrounding the film following the La Biennale di Venezia film festival. The Redditor's post received over 6,900 upvotes in a week (shown below).


r/boxoffice ⚫7 days ago Kazrules I have never seen a movie lose so much hype than Joker 2 ✓ Original Analysis Joker Folie a Deux comes out in three days. But ever since Venice, the amount of ads that I have seen has dramatically decreased. No one is talking about the movie on social media anymore. The film has been completely snuffed out of every awards conversation. Lady Gaga released a companion album to no fanfare. It is an absolute ghosttown in terms of hype. The first teaser got 36M views. The second got 27M. I know trailer views aren't everything—but these numbers were strong. I don't buy the narrative that no one was interested in a Joker sequel. The interest was there, but the festival reactions just torpedoed this whole movie. The only film I can compare it to would be Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, which had a moderate degree of interest until its middling festival reviews as well. Could this spell the end for blockbuster movies premiering at prestigious film festivals? The crowds don't like them, and they only serve to give a movie negative press weeks before release. With the lack of promotion, I'm getting the sense that Warner Bros is A.) extremely disappointed and probably upset, and B.) just biding their time until DC gets a full factory reset with Superman. But with these many bombs in a row, Superman is in an extremely vulnerable position. This has to be the worst time to be a DC fan.

Joker Raped in "Folie à Deux"

Joker Raped in Folie à Deux refers to a scene that heavily implies the character Arthur Fleck / Joker is sexually assaulted by prison guards in the 2024 film Joker: Folie à Deux. The scene became a subject of controversy online as many users expressed dissatisfaction with it and the film as a whole, and it was a prevalent subject of memes on X / Twitter and 4chan's /tv/ board in early October 2024.


2MiB, 1581x1054, LOL.png Anonymous Thu 03 Oct 2024 22:42:25 No.204128961 Quoted By: >>204128991 >>204129009 >gets r---- >stops being joker what did they mean by this View

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Chris the Lovable Jerk
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Okay, so the first Joker was fairly small movie with a moderate 55-70 million budget and was rated R so WB obviously didn't have much faith in it and were surprised when it became such a huge hit. They probably begged Philips for a sequel even though the first one was clearly meant as a stand alone film, so Philips decided to fuck with everyone and make this movie; which seems like it was intentionally designed to not just piss off the audience and the fanbase but lose money for WB, while tricking them into thinking the film would be a smash hit just because they cast Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn. Which is a massive dick move because WB/DC might become even worse control freaks over future directors if this movie does flop.

It really is one of those sequels where you just shake your head and go "I could come up with a better story than this."

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