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0 Posted by u/Flying LaserTurtle 6 days ago API Update: Enterprise Level Tier for Large Scale Applications Reddit API tl;dr - As of July 1, we will start enforcing rate limits for a free access tier, available to our current API users. If you are already in contact with our team about commercial compliance with our Data API Terms, look for an email about enterprise pricing this week. We recently shared updates on our Data API Terms and Developer Terms. These updates help clarify how developers can safely and securely use Reddit's tools and services, including our APIs and our new-and-improved Developer Platform. After sharing these terms, we identified several parties in violation, and contacted them so they could make the required changes to become compliant. This includes developers of large-scale applications who have excessive usage, are violating our users' privacy and content rights, or are using the data for ad-supported or commercial purposes. For context on excessive usage, here is a chart showing the average monthly overage, compared to the longstanding rate limit in our developer documentation 60 queries per ute (86,400 per day): % above established rate limits for the largest apps (past 30 days) Percentage OVER 86,400 queries per day (60qpm) 500,000% 400,000% 300,000% 200,000% 100,000% 0% 438,675% App 1 121,100% App 2 106,642% App 3 49,419% App 4 31,225% 24,408% 17,508% 17,234 % 16,714% 11,205% App 5 1.6k Comments + Award App 6 App 7 App names have been purposely withheld Top 10 3P apps usage over rate limits App 8 We reached out to the most impactful large scale applications in order to work out terms for access above our default rate limits via an enterprise tier. This week, we are sharing an enterprise-level access tier for large scale applications with the developers we're already in contact with. The enterprise tier is a privilege that we will extend to select artners based on a number of factors, including value added to redditors and communities, and it will go into effect on July 1. Rate limits for the free tier App 9 All others will continue to access the Reddit Data API without cost, in accordance with our Developer Terms, at this time. Many of you already know that our stated rate limit, per this documentation, was 60 queries per minute. As of July 1, 2023, we will enforce two different rate limits for the free access tier: • If you are using OAuth for authentication: 100 queries per minute per OAuth client id • If you are not using OAuth for authentication: 10 queries per minute Share App 10 Important note: currently, our rate limit response headers indicate counts by client id/user id combination. These headers will update to reflect this new policy based on client id only on July 1. To avoid any issues with the operation of mod bots or extensions, it's important for developers to add Oauth to their bots. If you believe your mod bot needs to exceed these updated rate limits, or will be unable to operate, please reach out here. If you haven't heard from us, assume that your app will be rate-limited, starting on July 1. If your app requires enterprise access, please contact us here, so that we can better understand your needs and discuss a path forward. Additional changes Save Finally, to ensure that all regulatory requirements are met in the handling of mature content, we will be limiting access to sexually explicit content for third-party apps starting on July 5, 2023, except for moderation needs. If you are curious about academic or research-focused access to the Data API, we've shared more details here.

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Redditors are planning a Reddit blackout starting on June 12th to save third party Reddit apps.

Reddit Lies @reddit_lies Redditors are planning a Reddit blackout starting on June 12th to save third party Reddit apps. Some mods are threatening to delete subreddits entirely if the API fees don't change. old.reddit.com Don't Let Reddit Kill 3rd Party Apps! #What's going on? A recent Reddit policy change threatens to kill many beloved third... 1:07 PM Jun 4, 2023 73.6K Views

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Reddit API Changes, Subreddit Blackout, and How It Affects You (/r/gaming)

r/gaming. Posted by u/Dacvak 21 hours ago 29.2k Reddit API Changes, Subreddit Blackout, and How It Affects You Hello r/gaming! tl;dr: We'd like to open a dialog with the community to discuss r/gaming's participation in the June 12th reddit blackout. For those out of the loop, please read through the entirety of this post. Otherwise, let your thoughts be heard in the comments. <3 As many of you are already aware, reddit has announced significant upcoming changes to their API that will have a serious impact to many users. There is currently a planned protest across hundreds of subreddits to black out on June 12th. The moderators at r/gaming have been discussing our participation, and while we've come to a vote and agreement internally, we wanted to ensure that whatever action we take is largely supported by our community. What's Happening • Third Party reddit apps (such as Apollo, Reddit is Fun and others) are going to become ludicrously more expensive for it's developers to run, which will in turn either kill the apps, or result in a monthly fee to the users if they choose to use one of those apps to browse. Put simply, each request to reddit within these mobile apps will cost the developer money. The developers of Apollo were quoted around $2 million per month for the current rate of usage. The only way for these apps to continue to be viable for the developer is if you (the user) pay a monthly fee, and realistically, this is most likely going to just outright kill them. Put simply: If you use a third party app to browse reddit, you will most likely no longer be able to do so, or be charged a monthly fee to keep it viable. • NSFW Content is no longer going to be available in the API. This means that, even if 3rd party apps continue to survive, or even if you pay a fee to use a 3rd party app, you will not be able to access NSFW content on it. You will only be able to access it on the official reddit app. Additionally, some service bots (such as video downloaders or maybe remindme bots) will not be able to access anything NSFW. In more major cases, it may become harder for moderators of NSFW subreddits to combat serious violations such as CSAM due to certain mod tools being restricted from accessing NSFW content. • Many users with visual impairments rely on 3rd-party applications in order to more easily interface with reddit, as the official reddit mobile app does not have robust support for visually- impaired users. This means that a great deal of visually-impaired redditors will no longer be able to access the site in the assisted fashion they're used to. • Many moderators rely on 3rd-party tools in order to effectively moderate their communities. When the changes to the API kicks in, moderation across the board will not only become more difficult, but it will result in lower consistency, longer wait times on post approvals and reports, and much more spam/bot activity getting through the cracks. In discussions with mods on many subreddits, many longtime moderators will simply leave the site. While it's tradition for redditors to dunk on moderators, the truth is that they do an insane amount of work for free, and the entire site would drastically decrease in quality and usability without them. Open Letter to reddit & Blackout In lieu of what's happening above, an open letter has been released by the broader moderation community, and r/gaming will be supporting it. Part of this initiative includes a potential subreddit blackout (meaning the subreddit will be privatized) on June 12th, lasting 48 hours or longer. We would like to give the community a voice in this. Do you believe r/gaming should fully support the protest and blackout the subreddit for at least June 12th? How long if we do? Feel free to leave your thoughts and opinions below. Cheers, r/gaming Mod Team 1.4k Comments $+ Award Share A Save

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r/pics will go dark on June 12th in protest of Reddit's API changes that will kill 3rd party apps

r/pics. Posted by u/rPicsMods 1 day ago 3 74.¹k_r/pics will go dark on June 12th in protest of Reddit's API changes that will kill 3rd party apps Dear r/pics Community, today, we want to discuss an urgent matter that affects both the moderators and users. As you may be aware, the recent announcement made by Reddit regarding their APIs have raised significant concerns within the Reddit community. Starting on July 1st, Reddit has unilaterally decided to impose exorbitant charges on third-party app developers (Relay, Reddit is Fun, Apollo, Baconreader, Narwhal etc.) for utilizing their API. This decision has far-reaching consequences that not only hinder app developers but also affect the experience of moderators and users alike. The lack of maturity in Reddit's official app has made it difficult for us to fulfill our responsibilities as moderators efficiently, and it has also left many users dissatisfied with their browsing experience. In response to this situation, the moderators of r/pics have joined forces with other subreddit communities and their respective mod teams in a coordinated effort. We believe that unity is essential in driving change and advocating for the rights of app developers and the overall user experience. To amplify our message and demonstrate the strength of our concerns, r/pics will be participating in a temporary blackout starting on June 12th, lasting for 48 hours. During this blackout period, the subreddit will be set to private, rendering it inaccessible to all users. This collective action is intended to raise awareness and urge Reddit to reconsider th recent API changes. Our primary goal is to initiate a productive dialogue with Reddit, leading to a reversal of the detrimental modifications they have implemented. We understand that this blackout may cause temporary inconvenience to our community, and for that, we apologize. However, we firmly believe that this short-term disruption will bring long-term benefits for every user. By standing together with other subreddit communities, we hope to send a clear message to Reddit and foster a meaningful conversation about the future of their API policies. In the meantime, we encourage you to let reddit know that you disagree with their planned changes There are a few ways you can express your concerns: * Email Reddit or create a support ticket to communicate your opposition to their proposed modifications. * Share your thoughts on other social media platforms, spreading awareness about the issue. * Show your support by participating in the Reddit boycott for 48 hours, starting on June 12th. We appreciate your understanding, support, and active participation in this important endeavor. It is through the strength and dedication of our community that we can strive for a better Reddit experience for everyone involved. Thank you, The Mod Team of r/pics 1.6k Comments Award Share Save

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eddit API Changes, Subreddit Blackout & Why It Matters To You (/r/pcgaming)

Posted by u/PCGamingMegaMod 2 days ago 36.0k Reddit API Changes, Subreddit Blackout & Why It Matters To You [Mod Post] Greetings r/pcgaming, Recently, Reddit has announced some changes to their API that may have pretty serious impact on many of it's users. You may have already seen quite a few posts like these across some of the other subreddits that you browse, so we're just going to cut to the chase. What's Happening • Third Party Reddit apps (such as Apollo, Reddit is Fun and others) are going to become ludicrously more expensive for it's developers to run, which will in turn either kill the apps, or result in a monthly fee to the users if they choose to use one of those apps to browse. Put simply, each request to Reddit within these mobile apps will cost the developer money. The developers of Apollo were quoted around $2 million per month for the current rate of usage. The only way for these apps to continue to be viable for the developer is if you (the user) pay a monthly fee, and realistically, this is most likely going to just outright kill them. Put simply: If you use a third party app to browse Reddit, you will most likely no longer be able to do so, or be charged a monthly fee to keep it viable. o A big reason this matters to r/pcgaming, and why we believe it matters to you, is that during our last user demographics survey, of 2,500 responses, 22.4% of users say they primarily use a third party app to browse the subreddit. Using this as sort of a sample size, even significantly reduced, is a non-negligible portion of our user base being forced to change the way they browse Reddit. o Some people with visual impairments have problems using the official mobile app, and the removal of third-party apps may significantly hinder their ability to browse Reddit in general. More info o Many moderators are going to be significantly hindered from moderating their communities because 3rd party mobile apps provide mod tools that the official app doesn't support. This means longer wait times on post approvals, reports, modmails etc. • NSFW Content is no longer going to be available in the API. This means that, even if 3rd party apps continue to survive, or even if you pay a fee to use a 3rd party app, you will not be able to access NSFW content on it. You will only be able to access it on the official Reddit app. Additionally, some service bots (such as video downloaders or maybe remindme bots) will not be able to access anything NSFW. In more major cases, it may become harder for moderators of NSFW subreddits to combat serious violations such as CSAM due to certain mod tools being restricted from accessing NSFW content. Note: A lot of this has been sourced and inspired from a fantastic mod-post on r/wow, they do a great job going in-depth on the entire situation. Major props to the team over there! You can read their post here Open Letter to Reddit & Blackout In lieu of what's happening above, an open letter has been released by the broader moderation community, and r/pcgaming will be supporting it. Part of this initiative includes a potential subreddit blackout (meaning, the subreddit will be privatized) on June 12th, lasting 24-48 hours or longer. On one hand, this is great to hopefully make enough of an impact to influence Reddit to change their minds on this. On the other hand, we usually stay out of these blackouts, and we would rather not negatively impact usage of the subreddit, especially during the summer events cycle. If we chose to black out for 24 hours, on June 12th, that is the date of the Ubisoft Forward showcase event. If we chose to blackout for 48 hours, the subreddit would also be private during the Xbox Extended Showcase. We would like to give the community a voice in this. Is this an important enough matter that r/pcgaming should fully support the protest and blackout the subreddit for at least 24 hours on June 12th? How long if we do? Feel free to leave your thoughts and opinions below. Cheers, r/pcgaming Mod Team 1.4k Comments + Award A Share Save

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Incomplete and Growing List of Subreddits Participating in the June 2023 Reddit Blackout

Posted by u/SubManagerBot 2 days ago 4.⁹k Incomplete and Growing List of Participating Subreddits ♡ 30+ million: r/aww r/gaming r/Music r/Pics r/todayilearned 20+ million: r/DIY r/EarthPorn r/explainlikeimfive r/LifeProTips r/videos 10+ Million r/creepy. r/Futurology. r/lifehacks r/technology. r/tifu 5+ Million r/AnimalsBeing Bros r/Animals Being Derps r/Animals BeingJerks r/askwomen r/bestof r/Contagious Laughter r/cryptocurrency. r/HumansBeingBros A

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With Reddit's outrageous new API pricing, I think it's time to break out the Chad web scraper

LaurieWired @lauriewired With Reddit's outrageous new API pricing, I think it's time to break out the Chad web scraper Fears HTML POP3 Limited to the what the API can do Has to identify himself even for read-only APIs API Provider takes away his endpoint 429 Too Many Requests {JSON} Luminati Business proxy network scrapes so fast the backend crashes follows no rules, doesn't agree to any terms of service Virgin API Consumer website thinks his user agent is a phone entire industries are dedicated to stopping him has no limitations can access any data he wants 6:14 PM Jun 1, 2023 Doesn't care about changes in policies Se Tokens Chad third-party scraper curl Has to worry about quota Requests- HTML Thinks that he is making his life easier data is 10 minutes behind begs his users for Oauth API keys has to verify his email, phone, driver's license, ssn, dna sample MULLVAD Even Javascript can't stop him has to agree to Terms of Service and follow the the rules can work anonymously SMSPVA .COM pays laborers to solve captchas parses HTML with regex doesn't even have a phone number promising career at high-frequency trading firm (just scrapes in his spare time) 2Captcha his business is profitable Can do whatever he wants millions of engineer hours, still can't stop him from scraping

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Reddit has started overcharging for their API, effectively killing third-party apps like Apollo that make use of their API.

Saved You A Click Video Games @SYACVG Reddit has started overcharging for their API, effectively killing third- party apps like Apollo that make use of their API. Also the official Reddit app sucks. Kotaku @Kotaku - 17h R Reddit is killing the best way to read the site: bit.ly/3MGwMnf 1:44 PM . Jun 1, 2023 · 91.5K Views

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Just got off a call with Reddit about the API and new pricing. Bad news unless I come up with 20 million dollars (not joking). Appreciate boosts.

Christian Selig @ChristianSelig Just got off a call with Reddit about the API and new pricing. Bad news unless I come up with 20 million dollars (not joking). Appreciate boosts. apolloapp Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing. Bad news for third-party apps, their announced pricing is close to Twitter's pricing, and Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep 25K 3.3K reddit reddit.com r/apolloapp on Reddit: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing. Bad news... Posted by u/iamthatis - No votes and 18 comments 1:25 PM . May 31, 2023 1.4M Views

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Don't Let Reddit Kill 3rd Party Apps!

48.4k Posted by u/Toptomcat 4 days ago 816222 2 Don't Let Reddit Kill 3rd Party Apps! What's going on? A recent Reddit policy change threatens to kill many beloved third-party mobile apps, making a great many quality-of-life features not seen in the official mobile app permanently inaccessible to users. On May 31, 2023, Reddit announced they were raising the price to make calls to their API from being free to a level that will kill every third party app on Reddit, from Apollo to Reddit is Fun to Narwhal to BaconReader. Even if you're not a mobile user and don't use any of those apps, this is a step toward killing other ways of customizing Reddit, such as Reddit Enhancement Suite or the use of the old.reddit.com desktop interface. This isn't only a problem on the user level: many subreddit moderators depend on tools only available outside the official app to keep their communities on-topic and spam-free. What's the plan? On June 12th, many subreddits will be going dark to protest this policy. Some will return after 48 hours: others will go away permanently unless the issue is adequately addressed, since many moderators aren't able to put in the work they do with the poor tools available through the official app. This isn't something any of us do lightly: we do what we do because we love Reddit, and we truly believe this change will make it impossible to keep doing what we love. The two-day blackout isn't the goal, and it isn't the end. Should things reach the 14th with no sign of Reddit choosing to fix what they've broken, we'll use the community and buzz we've built between then and now as a tool for further action. What can you do? 1. Complain. Message the mods of r/reddit.com, who are the admins of the site: message /u/reddit: submit a support request: comment in relevant threads on r/reddit, such as this one, leave a negative review on their official iOS or Android app- and sign your username in support to this post. 2. Spread the word. Rabble-rouse on related subreddits. Meme it up, make it spicy. Bitch about it to your cat. Suggest anyone you know who moderates a subreddit join us at our sister sub at r/ModCoord- but please don't pester mods you don't know by simply spamming their modmail. 3. Boycott and spread the word...to Reddit's competition! Stay off Reddit entirely on June 12th through the 13th- instead, take to your favorite non-Reddit platform of choice and make some noise in support! 4. Don't be a jerk. As upsetting this may be, threats, profanity and vandalism will be worse than useless in getting people on our side. Please make every effort to be as restrained, polite, reasonable and law-abiding as possible. 3.3k Comments A Award Share Save

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An open letter on the state of affairs regarding the API pricing and third party apps

Posted by u/BuckRowdy 5 days ago 6 10 3 13.5k An open letter on the state of affairs regarding the API pricing and third party apps and how that will impact moderators and communities. Please visit r/ModCoord, read this letter, and then sign on with your subreddit name and/or username if you support this initiative. Dear Reddit Community and Management, As active members, users, and moderators of numerous communities within Reddit, we come forward with concerns about recent changes to the platform's API pricing, especially as it relates to third party Reddit apps. The Situation Recently, Reddit has significantly increased its API pricing, rendering it increasingly unaffordable for third-party app developers to continue their services. The prohibitive cost threatens to make it difficult to mod from mobile, stifle innovation, limit user choice, and effectively shut down a significant portion of the culture we've all come to appreciate. Indeed, on May 31, 2023, when these changes were announced, every third party app developer on Reddit made essentially the same statement: "I will have to shut down the app." Apps can also no longer show ads which was a primary source of revenue. So not only do they have to pay exorbitant fees, they can't even mitigate those fees with ads. r/apolloapp • r/redditisfun ● r/Relayforreddit • r/GetNarwhal r/Bacon Reader • /r/Redd Planet /r/redditsync • /r/Infinity_For_Reddit /r/JoeyForReddit ● ● r/RedReader • r/pager • /r/BoostForReddit r/SlideforReddit The Impact on Moderators and Communities As moderators, we find ourselves at the intersection of Reddit's management and its user base, striving to facilitate respectful and meaningful dialogues in our communities. The recent API pricing change is detrimental to our efforts in several ways. Many of us rely on third-party apps to manage our communities effectively. Let's just rip the band-aid right off: in many cases these apps offer superior mod tools, customization, streamlined interfaces, and other quality of life improvements that the official app does not offer. The potential loss of these services due to the pricing change would significantly impact our ability to moderate efficiently, thus negatively affecting the experience for users in our communities and for us as mods and users ourselves. Concerns about NSFW Content and the New Policy Mature content, aka NSFW content, or 18+ content and subreddits are subject to new restrictions that make this type of content unavailable via the api. That means that if the other restrictions on third party apps were not present, they still would not be able to display that content. These changes render moderation of nsfw communities via automated processes or by a third party app null and void. If a moderation bot does not have access to this content, it cannot operate. Moderators of these communities can no longer use a third party app to mod even if they were still going to be financially feasible to run. Having access to only content in the subreddit that the bot moderates is not sufficient to prevent spam, karma farming, link-dumping, and the other types of behaviors that ruin subreddits and sometimes separate users from their money. Mature content has long been something we don't really talk about; like it's a second class citizen or something not to be discussed in polite company. But we all know that mature content is a big driver of traffic, otherwise spambots and onlyfans promoters wouldn't try so hard to monetize it. Spam in these communities will skyrocket with these changes requiring either an exponential increase in brute force human moderation, or a give-up attitude on the part of mods leaving communities overrun with spam. This also impacts communities other than mature content ones. Communities for art, chat communities for minors, and communities for nudist lifestyles are examples of non-"mature content" spaces that need their bots and mods to be able to see when a user is posting in mature content communities. The reasons given for this restriction indicate complying with legal requirements or helping content creators better control their content. But we see no reason that third party apps could not incorporate a similar process as reddit would use to display the content in their own apps. Their lack of discussion combined with the high level of restrictions indicates another reason might be at play. Indeed, past interaction and communication with admins would all but guarantee it. Communication Concerns One of the longstanding concerns with Reddit management is the lack of transparent and consistent communication, particularly with those of us who contribute significantly to the platform's functionality and growth: the moderators. Over the years, we've experienced abrupt changes with minimal to no notice, as reddit made changes or launched new features or tools with little to no notice, creating unforeseen repercussions and consequences in managing subreddits. Entire subreddits and initiatives have been formed over the years to address these concerns. And while there have been some improvements, the communication gap remains sizable and often leaves us — as unpaid moderators — scrambling to adapt and ensure our subreddits remain places where every user feels comfortable enough to comment without fear of attack or other negative engagement. Furthermore, inconsistencies between what is communicated by Reddit's management and the actual outcomes contribute to growing trust issues between mods and admins. Promises of advance notice of changes have repeatedly fallen through, further exacerbating our concern about this recent API pricing change. Our Plea We understand that Reddit, like any company, must balance its financial obligations. However, we believe that the longevity and success of this platform rest on preserving the rich ecosystem that has developed around it. We urge Reddit's management to reconsider the recent API pricing change, finding a compromise that allows third-party app developers to continue contributing to this platform's success. We ask for a solution that recognizes the vital role these third-party apps play and takes into consideration the negative impacts this decision might have on both users and moderators. A sustainable pricing model that encourages rather than discourages these apps' growth and innovation will only strengthen the Reddit community. Conclusion We've seen how, in the past, responses to big issues can be a bit vague. We totally get that when tough questions come your way, it's not always easy to be there with a quick answer. Likewise, we understand that putting yourself out there in public can be hard, but we feel it simply comes with the territory when these times arise. Unfortunately, these recent actions undertaken by Reddit come off as inconsistent with previous commitments, which makes it challenging to maintain trust between mods and admins. We are sincerely asking for an honest and direct response to this letter with tangible action that mitigates the issues raised here. We hope this letter will facilitate a meaningful conversation among Reddit's leadership, its diverse mods and users, and third-party app developers upon which many mods rely. We firmly believe a solution can be reached that would be mutually beneficial to all while helping reddit achieve its goals. Likewise, we hope reddit will consider that its unique strength is derived from its diversity of mods, users, and developers and the myriad tools used to engage with the platform. Thank you for your attention and understanding. Sincerely, The undersigned edit: Please consider crossposting this to your community or any space you think should be made aware of it. These changes will affect all users. 6.8k Comments Award Share Save

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RIF dev here - Reddit's API changes will likely kill RIF and other apps, on July 1, 2023

32.9k Posted by u/talklittle RIF Dev 6 days ago 142粥 12 RIF dev here - Reddit's API changes will likely kill RIF and other apps, on July 1, 2023 10 I need more time to get all my thoughts together, but posting this quick post since so many users have been asking, and it's been making rounds on news sites. Summary of what Reddit Inc has announced so far, specifically the parts that will kill many third-party apps: 1. The Reddit API will cost money, and the pricing announced today will cost apps like Apollo $20 million per year to run. RIF may differ but it would be in the same ballpark. And no, RIF does not earn anywhere remotely near this number. 2. As part of this they are blocking ads in third-party apps, which make up the majority of RIF's revenue. So they want to force a paid subscription model onto RIF's users. Meanwhile Reddit's official app still continues to make the vast majority of its money from ads. 3. Removal of sexually explicit material from third-party apps while keeping said content in the official app. Some people have speculated that NSFW is going to leave Reddit entirely, but then why would Reddit Inc have recently expanded NSFW upload support on their desktop site? Their recent moves smell a lot like they want third-party apps gone, RIF included. I know some users will chime in saying they are willing to pay a monthly subscription to keep RIF going, but trust me that you would be in the minority. There is very little value in paying a high subscription for less content (in this case, NSFW). Honestly if I were a user of RIF and not the dev, I'd have a hard time justifying paying the high prices being forced by Reddit Inc, despite how much RIF obviously means to me. 6.4k Comments + Award 4 There is a lot more I want to say, and I kind of scrambled to write this since I didn't expect news reports today. I'll probably write more follow-up posts that are better thought out. But this is the gist of what's been going on with Reddit third-party apps in 2023. Share Save

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Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep running as-is.

+ 159k Posted by u/iamthatis Apollo Developer 6 days ago 131 11 134 6 2 12 116313321 (10/30 (F15 15 3 61010 3 4 200 X 1573 Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing. Bad news for third-party apps, their announced pricing is close to Twitter's pricing, and Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep running as-is. Announcement 23 Hey all, I'll cut to the chase: 50 million requests costs $12,000, a figure far more than I ever could have imagined. Apollo made 7 billion requests last month, which would put it at about 1.7 million dollars per month, or 20 million US dollars per year. Even if I only kept subscription users, the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month, which is over double what the subscription currently costs, so I'd be in the red every month. I'm deeply disappointed in this price. Reddit iterated that the price would be A) reasonable and based in reality, and B) they would not operate like Twitter. Twitter's pricing was publicly ridiculed for its obscene price of $42,000 for 50 million tweets. Reddit's is still $12,000. For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls. As for the pricing, despite claims that it would be based in reality, it seems anything but. Less than 2 years ago they said they crossed $100M in quarterly revenue for the first time ever, if we assume despite the economic downturn that they've managed to do that every single quarter now, and for your best quarter, you've doubled it to $200M. Let's also be generous and go far, far above industry estimates and say you made another $50M in Reddit Premium subscriptions. That's $550M in revenue per year, let's say an even $600M. In 2019, they said they hit 430 million monthly active users, and to also be generous, let's say they haven't added a single active user since then (if we do revenue-per- user calculations, the more users, the less revenue each user would contribute). So at generous estimates of $600M and 430M monthly active users, that's $1.40 per user per year, or $0.12 monthly. These own numbers they've given are also seemingly inline with industry estimates as well. 8 For Apollo, the average user uses 344 requests daily, or 10.6K monthly. With the proposed API pricing, the average user in Apollo would cost $2.50, which is is 20x higher than a generous estimate of what each users brings Reddit in revenue. - Christian While Reddit has been communicative and civil throughout this process with half a dozen phone calls back and forth that I thought went really well, I don't see how this pricing is anything based in reality or remotely reasonable. I hope it goes without saying that I don't have that kind of money would even know how to charge it to a credit card. This is going to require some thinking. I asked Reddit if they were flexible on this pricing or not, and they stated that it's their understanding that no, this will be the pricing, and I'm free to post the details of the call if I wish. (For the uninitiated wondering "what the heck is an API anyway and why is this so important?" it's just a fancy term for a way to access a site's information ("Application Programming Interface"). As an analogy, think of Reddit having a bouncer, and since day one that bouncer has been friendly, where if you ask "Hey, can you list out the comments for me for post X?" the bouncer would happily respond with what you requested, provided you didn't ask so often that it was silly. That's the Reddit API: I ask Reddit/the bouncer for some data, and it provides it so I can display it in my app for users. The proposed changes mean the bouncer will still exist, but now ask an exorbitant amount per question.) 13.4k Comments + Award à Share S Save

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2023 Reddit API Pricing Blackout - API Update: Enterprise Level Tier for Large Scale Applications

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0 Posted by u/Flying LaserTurtle 6 days ago API Update: Enterprise Level Tier for Large Scale Applications Reddit API tl;dr - As of July 1, we will start enforcing rate limits for a free access tier, available to our current API users. If you are already in contact with our team about commercial compliance with our Data API Terms, look for an email about enterprise pricing this week. We recently shared updates on our Data API Terms and Developer Terms. These updates help clarify how developers can safely and securely use Reddit's tools and services, including our APIs and our new-and-improved Developer Platform. After sharing these terms, we identified several parties in violation, and contacted them so they could make the required changes to become compliant. This includes developers of large-scale applications who have excessive usage, are violating our users' privacy and content rights, or are using the data for ad-supported or commercial purposes. For context on excessive usage, here is a chart showing the average monthly overage, compared to the longstanding rate limit in our developer documentation 60 queries per ute (86,400 per day): % above established rate limits for the largest apps (past 30 days) Percentage OVER 86,400 queries per day (60qpm) 500,000% 400,000% 300,000% 200,000% 100,000% 0% 438,675% App 1 121,100% App 2 106,642% App 3 49,419% App 4 31,225% 24,408% 17,508% 17,234 % 16,714% 11,205% App 5 1.6k Comments + Award App 6 App 7 App names have been purposely withheld Top 10 3P apps usage over rate limits App 8 We reached out to the most impactful large scale applications in order to work out terms for access above our default rate limits via an enterprise tier. This week, we are sharing an enterprise-level access tier for large scale applications with the developers we're already in contact with. The enterprise tier is a privilege that we will extend to select artners based on a number of factors, including value added to redditors and communities, and it will go into effect on July 1. Rate limits for the free tier App 9 All others will continue to access the Reddit Data API without cost, in accordance with our Developer Terms, at this time. Many of you already know that our stated rate limit, per this documentation, was 60 queries per minute. As of July 1, 2023, we will enforce two different rate limits for the free access tier: • If you are using OAuth for authentication: 100 queries per minute per OAuth client id • If you are not using OAuth for authentication: 10 queries per minute Share App 10 Important note: currently, our rate limit response headers indicate counts by client id/user id combination. These headers will update to reflect this new policy based on client id only on July 1. To avoid any issues with the operation of mod bots or extensions, it's important for developers to add Oauth to their bots. If you believe your mod bot needs to exceed these updated rate limits, or will be unable to operate, please reach out here. If you haven't heard from us, assume that your app will be rate-limited, starting on July 1. If your app requires enterprise access, please contact us here, so that we can better understand your needs and discuss a path forward. Additional changes Save Finally, to ensure that all regulatory requirements are met in the handling of mature content, we will be limiting access to sexually explicit content for third-party apps starting on July 5, 2023, except for moderation needs. If you are curious about academic or research-focused access to the Data API, we've shared more details here.

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